CDZ The Iranian nuclear deal: a deeper look

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Do you think that the deal was beneficial overall?

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    I am posting my first thread for the same reason I joined this online forum. I am not a politician, nor do I know any, and I am too young for anyone who does not personally know me to give any thought to my arguments. For this reason, I turned to the internet, where everyone’s view will be given consideration (at least by the intelligent, rational people). I believe that the best way for me to help the world before I reach what I like to call “the age of perceived credibility” is for me to clearly and fully explain issues which are often oversimplified and manipulated by bureaucrats in an attempt not necessarily to win people over to my side (although when I am confident that I have a good answer/solution concerning to an issue, that will be the goal), but to get people to think more deeply about world issues rather than blindly accepting what the party they have aligned themselves with says. The first issue I would like to discuss is the new agreement made between the US and Iran, as it has been a topic of much debate for quite some time, and will most certainly be an important issue in the upcoming 2016 presidential election. Please let me know what you think in the comments. I am open minded and willing to consider any and all points of view, no matter how ridiculous they seem superficially. Now enough exposition, and on to the essay.


    This new deal has been getting quite a bit of backlash from the right, most notably the republicans in the US and Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Most critics of the agreement say that this deal only gives Iran more money to advance its nuclear program, fund terrorist groups, and stir up trouble in the Middle East. Assuming that this is what will happen, the deal is obviously counterproductive. But alas, there lies the quintessential dilemma. I do not believe that this is the case: these claims are made by people who look at the deal and ask themselves: “does this hurt Iran more than it helps it?” This not the way we should be thinking. This results from the “us vs. them” mentality that has been cultivated in our society by the two party system, which I will explain my opinions on in a future essay. This deal was not about gaining an advantage over Iran, but about cooperating with it and benefitting both countries and the world as a result.

    This agreement with Iran will not, as many people claim to believe, cause Iran to put more money into their nuclear program and fund more terrorist groups. If the Iranian government and people saw this as “finally escaping from the crushing weight of the westerner’s sanctions”, this would surely be the case. But Iran is not a country of radical religious zealots, but rather a country of people eager and ready to join the modern world who see it instead as “a new chance to cooperate with the west”. The only people who oversimplify the agreement and say that all it does is give Iran more money to stir up trouble are the far-right republicans who rely on painting everything any democrat does as bad in order to get votes. Their voters are the ignorant people who are willing to believe anything they are told. DO NOT fall into this trap.

    This deal will also reduce terrorism. The main cause of terrorism is desperation. People who are impoverished, starving, and oppressed often feel that it is the only option left. Nobody with a steady job, clean house, and healthy family decides to become a suicide bomber. This is another issue often oversimplified by manipulative, bureaucratic politicians. They seem to think that these are evil people, and the only solution is to bomb the heck out of them, when in reality this is the most effective method of making more terrorists. With the exception if ISIS (which is a special case that I may write an essay on in the future), the best and only way to end terrorism is to address its root causes. This means providing aid to the desperate, impoverished people who are most likely to resort to terrorism. While it is hard to make sure that financial aid gets to the people, it is still something that needs to be done. This deal will also keep the Iranian government from funding terrorist groups. The reason many small, marginalized countries support terrorism is because they feel that it is the only way to be heard by larger nations. If Iran is given a chance to join the world community, which it has with this agreement, it will not feel the need to resort to such extreme measures.

    The last and easiest to disprove criticism against the deal is that it will be easy for Iran to cheat. It just simply is not. Radioactive materials are very hard to hide, and nearly impossible to cover traces of. Unless all inspection teams forget to bring even a basic Geiger counter, it will be impossible to cheat. I don’t even need to go into how easy it would be to know if any weapons were tested.


    This concludes my first essay. I apologize if the quality is not the best, but I wrote it between 1:00 and 2:30 am, so it is not my best work. The next essay I plan on releasing is one I have already written about the link between the poverty and education crises within America. Please let me know if you would like me to post it.
     
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    Let me know what you think: I am always open to feedback and debate!
     
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    please reply in the comments if you would like me to post the essay I mentioned at the end of this one
     
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    Screw Iran. I hope Israel NUKES them.
     
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    why do you say that?
     
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    I have read a few of your other comments and your status and I can see that you are one of those who is content to believe whatever the republicans tell them. I implore you to reconsider your position and be reasonable. it is this kind of ignorant hate that has gotten the world into the situation it is in now. do not blindly hate all Muslims and democrats. do you really think that Nuking Iran will solve everything? please think about issues such as these rather than taking the easy way out by saying "screw them, we're better." I know that if you truly consider all of the facts, you will realize that this deal was beneficial. I hope I have not wasted my time on a hopeless case.
     
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    I consider the "democrats" vs "republicans" arguments to be tantamount to
    racism
     
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    It is not a 2 Party system problem. Both parties for nearly 36 years have considered Iran an enemy of Freedom and a State Sponsor of Terror. I'd have to look it up but a letter was sent to Obama warning him to not cut a bad deal with 350 Congressional Signatures to not buckle in negotiations with Iran. Many Dems signed that letter.

    367 House Members Send Letter on Iran Nuclear Negotiations to President Obama House Committee on Foreign Affairs - Ed Royce Chairman
    http://foreignaffairs.house.gov/sit....gov/files/03.20.15 - Iran Letter - POTUS.pdf

    Our problem with Iran began under Carter. When the Shah of Iran was overthrown in the late 70's. The Shah is one of many brutal dictators which is common to the region. As it seems only Dictators can keep any country there stable. They don't do it by playing nice, but this was a Religious take over by Radicals in the Islamic Religion. When they took over they seized our embassy and held our people hostage for over a year. For 444 days our people were held. At the time, people were calling for Carter to go to War with Iran. I was one of them back then saying the same. To that point, an attack on our embassy is an attack on our nation and is a declaration of War.

    Iran hostage crisis - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

    Another point to Iran. We had oil shortages here as a result. Gas lines back then, and this is the reason for the Strategic Oil Reserve we have today.

    Since Iran was a thorn in our side, Russia assisted Iran as they do today. More so then as we were still active in a Cold War. The Cold War shifted alliances in the region, and we backed Iraq more so for payback to Iran for holding our people in the Iran Iraq War. We also assisted the people in Afghanistan as Russia had it's on Vietnam there trying to dominate the region. To ensuing Wars were engaged. Iran then began to mine the Straits of Harmuse.....in a attempt to strangle the World's Oil supplies.

    Operation Earnest Will - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

    We came into the fray to escort these tankers. I was there. They were throwing mines into water off the tankers and using small boats and frigates to directly challenge our mission. Not to mention Iranian jets on attack vectors to our ships. I went to GQ many a time with missiles on the rail ready to shoot down these aircraft. This eventually led to a FIGHT in which we sunk their ships, and destroyed their oil rigs.

    At the same time Iraq hit the Stark.
    USS Stark incident - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

    The Roberts hits a mine.
    USS Samuel B. Roberts FFG-58 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

    Our response.
    Operation Praying Mantis - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

    And direct military action against Iranian assets.
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    The Iranian frigate Sahand attacked by aircraft of U.S. Navy Carrier Air Wing 11 after the guided missile frigateUSS Samuel B. Roberts struck an Iranian mine

    During the same time frame.........

    1983 Beirut barracks bombing - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
    While Iran denied involvement..........of course........they helped KILL OUR MARINES in Lebanon. As they support the Hezballah there and always have in actions against Israel.

    To be continued...........this is just laying the ground for the History of the problem with Iran........which is necessary to understand WHO WE ARE DEALING WITH..............

    This is how it began...........
     
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    I did not say that the problem with Iran arose directly from the two party system. I was merely pointing out similarities. and the most important thing about this deal is that it is a step towards reverse all those years of hostile relationships. It is better to turn an enemy into an ally than to defeat it.
     
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    while most republicans do not openly admit to being racist, most republican policies tend to disenfranchise already underprivileged minorities.
     
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