The IQ Factor

[JQPublic1]

It is true that IQ is more genetic than environmental. That means blacks will never (as in, the next thousand years) be "equal" to whites in terms of intelligence.

If that were true you wouldn't have to say it!

 

[ding]

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[cosimdm]

In 1960, when Belgium got out of the DRC Democratic Repu and turned it over to the locals, the country had 70,000 miles of maintained roads. Now it has less then 700 miles ( data cited in book review in today's WSJ). Lack of national resources was not the problem.

 

[Muhammed]

The other thing to keep in mind is that IQ is only predictive of how well an individual will do academically, in school. It is not predictive of success in life.

Are you sure about that? Could you explain how you came to that conclusion?

 

[Correll]

IQ's are affected by nutrition and environment as well as genetics, both before and after birth. It is interesting that IQ seems to have a genetic component but it changes in subsequent generations when the environment and parenting style changes.
The other thing to keep in mind is that IQ is only predictive of how well an individual will do academically, in school. It is not predictive of success in life.
I think mainstreaming has gone too far and it is part of the reason our standards have fallen in a lot of schools. Not everyone can achieve high levels of academia, but I disagree with you that it is their color. It more often has to do with poverty. Fix that for the communities of color (somehow--I don't know how) and you will fix the achievement problem as well.

But what a lovely way to pitch "separate but equal".

My God, your understanding is pathetically low.

 

[Correll]

Many people seem not to understand the underlying concept behind "the bell curve," as it applies to demographics. If I say, for example, that the average IQ for Lithuanians is 95, that is not an indication of any prejudice on my part, or any reason for any individual Lithuanian to feel insulted. A Lithuanian might be a genius or a dullard, and the observation - assuming it's true - is only that a randomly selected Lithuanian is slightly more likely to be a dullard than a genius.

In my own family, among my five siblings, there are three with IQ's below 100 and two with IQ's over 140. Not easy to explain, but true. Smart mailman? Who knows? The principals are now all deceased.

Anyone with sufficient interest can confirm that the average IQ of Blacks living in Africa is very close to 85. Hence, no passage of time will result in Africa becoming a latter-day copy of Western Europe. Ain't happening.

And as with the hypothetical Lithuanians, there are high-achieving Black geniuses in Africa and there are dullards. Our former President would seem to have been sired by one of the former. As for African-Americans generally, most are of some level of mixed race but the overall average IQ remains below 90. And unfortunately, the "Black" population is trending toward more "inequality" as low-IQ, non-achieving Blacks are reproducing much faster than high-IQ, high-achieving Blacks.

As a result, our urban Blacks are basically at the same intellectual level (IQ) as their ancestors and distant cousins in Africa. Some are quite intelligent and accomplished, but they are a smaller portion of the urban Black population than, say, of the prosperous suburban populations, Black and white.

What does this mean, as it impacts public policy?

Well, essentially every urban area in the country with a large Black population deals perennially with what is euphemistically called an "achievement gap." For some unmentionable reason, the "Black" students are at a remarkably lower level of academic achievement than the GenPop. They all promise to work on it, they all spend money to develop special programs, and emphases, and whatnot, and - surprise, surprise, surprise - the achievement gap never goes away. But IT CAN NEVER GO AWAY, because it is caused by the urban Black population generally having a dramatically lower intellectual potential. It's not that the teachers and the schools aren't doing the Right Stuff, it's that the raw material they are working with does not have the Right Stuff.

And the danger is that in taking measures that are intended to reduce the Achievement Gap, the schools will start doing things that actually harm the high-achieving Blacks, and those who want to do their best in school. Tests and standards will be watered down so that the difference between the achieving students and the non-achieving students is not so stark. Grading will be compromised for the same purpose. Suspensions and expulsions for anti-social behavior will be reduced, thus allowing the bad actors to prey on those trying to get an education. Poor and disruptive students who would like to drop out will be incented to remain, having the same deleterious effect.

The solution is easy but makes ACLU-types uncomfortable. Students should be taught with other students having the same potential, and not all thrown together in the same classrooms. Race should not even be considered; this should be based entirely on intelligence and aptitude testing. Curricula should be appropriate for the intellectual potential of the stratified student groups. It should be recognized that many students are simply not "college material" and they should be directed to subjects and a level of academic rigor where they can succeed. And if that means they are learning very basic things, so be it.

The result will - of course - be that the lower-level curricula will be primarily populated by "people of color."

And therefore, our societal do-gooders will stand in the way of this logical approach, claiming that some students would be stigmatized and prevented from achieving their full potential. Yes, better to drag everyone else down, so that the dullards won't feel badly about themselves.

The most difficult and intractable problems are the ones where we know the solution, but are too timid to implement it. Like this one.

Where ya reckon america is on a bell curve.

National IQ Scores - Country Rankings

Average IQ by Country - Statistic Brain

List of Average IQ By Country and American States | BrandonGaille.com

Many people seem not to understand the underlying concept behind "the bell curve," as it applies to demographics. If I say, for example, that the average IQ for Lithuanians is 95, that is not an indication of any prejudice on my part, or any reason for any individual Lithuanian to feel insulted. A Lithuanian might be a genius or a dullard, and the observation - assuming it's true - is only that a randomly selected Lithuanian is slightly more likely to be a dullard than a genius.

In my own family, among my five siblings, there are three with IQ's below 100 and two with IQ's over 140. Not easy to explain, but true. Smart mailman? Who knows? The principals are now all deceased.

Anyone with sufficient interest can confirm that the average IQ of Blacks living in Africa is very close to 85. Hence, no passage of time will result in Africa becoming a latter-day copy of Western Europe. Ain't happening.

And as with the hypothetical Lithuanians, there are high-achieving Black geniuses in Africa and there are dullards. Our former President would seem to have been sired by one of the former. As for African-Americans generally, most are of some level of mixed race but the overall average IQ remains below 90. And unfortunately, the "Black" population is trending toward more "inequality" as low-IQ, non-achieving Blacks are reproducing much faster than high-IQ, high-achieving Blacks.

As a result, our urban Blacks are basically at the same intellectual level (IQ) as their ancestors and distant cousins in Africa. Some are quite intelligent and accomplished, but they are a smaller portion of the urban Black population than, say, of the prosperous suburban populations, Black and white.

What does this mean, as it impacts public policy?

Well, essentially every urban area in the country with a large Black population deals perennially with what is euphemistically called an "achievement gap." For some unmentionable reason, the "Black" students are at a remarkably lower level of academic achievement than the GenPop. They all promise to work on it, they all spend money to develop special programs, and emphases, and whatnot, and - surprise, surprise, surprise - the achievement gap never goes away. But IT CAN NEVER GO AWAY, because it is caused by the urban Black population generally having a dramatically lower intellectual potential. It's not that the teachers and the schools aren't doing the Right Stuff, it's that the raw material they are working with does not have the Right Stuff.

And the danger is that in taking measures that are intended to reduce the Achievement Gap, the schools will start doing things that actually harm the high-achieving Blacks, and those who want to do their best in school. Tests and standards will be watered down so that the difference between the achieving students and the non-achieving students is not so stark. Grading will be compromised for the same purpose. Suspensions and expulsions for anti-social behavior will be reduced, thus allowing the bad actors to prey on those trying to get an education. Poor and disruptive students who would like to drop out will be incented to remain, having the same deleterious effect.

The solution is easy but makes ACLU-types uncomfortable. Students should be taught with other students having the same potential, and not all thrown together in the same classrooms. Race should not even be considered; this should be based entirely on intelligence and aptitude testing. Curricula should be appropriate for the intellectual potential of the stratified student groups. It should be recognized that many students are simply not "college material" and they should be directed to subjects and a level of academic rigor where they can succeed. And if that means they are learning very basic things, so be it.

The result will - of course - be that the lower-level curricula will be primarily populated by "people of color."

And therefore, our societal do-gooders will stand in the way of this logical approach, claiming that some students would be stigmatized and prevented from achieving their full potential. Yes, better to drag everyone else down, so that the dullards won't feel badly about themselves.

The most difficult and intractable problems are the ones where we know the solution, but are too timid to implement it. Like this one.

Where ya reckon america is on a bell curve.

National IQ Scores - Country Rankings

Average IQ by Country - Statistic Brain

List of Average IQ By Country and American States | BrandonGaille.com

East asians are knows to score higher on IQ tests and the US has a higher minority population than Italy.

None of that contradicts the op.

Indeed, it supports his premise.

 

[NCC1701]

Many people seem not to understand the underlying concept behind "the bell curve," as it applies to demographics. If I say, for example, that the average IQ for Lithuanians is 95, that is not an indication of any prejudice on my part, or any reason for any individual Lithuanian to feel insulted. A Lithuanian might be a genius or a dullard, and the observation - assuming it's true - is only that a randomly selected Lithuanian is slightly more likely to be a dullard than a genius.

In my own family, among my five siblings, there are three with IQ's below 100 and two with IQ's over 140. Not easy to explain, but true. Smart mailman? Who knows? The principals are now all deceased.

Anyone with sufficient interest can confirm that the average IQ of Blacks living in Africa is very close to 85. Hence, no passage of time will result in Africa becoming a latter-day copy of Western Europe. Ain't happening.

And as with the hypothetical Lithuanians, there are high-achieving Black geniuses in Africa and there are dullards. Our former President would seem to have been sired by one of the former. As for African-Americans generally, most are of some level of mixed race but the overall average IQ remains below 90. And unfortunately, the "Black" population is trending toward more "inequality" as low-IQ, non-achieving Blacks are reproducing much faster than high-IQ, high-achieving Blacks.

As a result, our urban Blacks are basically at the same intellectual level (IQ) as their ancestors and distant cousins in Africa. Some are quite intelligent and accomplished, but they are a smaller portion of the urban Black population than, say, of the prosperous suburban populations, Black and white.

What does this mean, as it impacts public policy?

Well, essentially every urban area in the country with a large Black population deals perennially with what is euphemistically called an "achievement gap." For some unmentionable reason, the "Black" students are at a remarkably lower level of academic achievement than the GenPop. They all promise to work on it, they all spend money to develop special programs, and emphases, and whatnot, and - surprise, surprise, surprise - the achievement gap never goes away. But IT CAN NEVER GO AWAY, because it is caused by the urban Black population generally having a dramatically lower intellectual potential. It's not that the teachers and the schools aren't doing the Right Stuff, it's that the raw material they are working with does not have the Right Stuff.

And the danger is that in taking measures that are intended to reduce the Achievement Gap, the schools will start doing things that actually harm the high-achieving Blacks, and those who want to do their best in school. Tests and standards will be watered down so that the difference between the achieving students and the non-achieving students is not so stark. Grading will be compromised for the same purpose. Suspensions and expulsions for anti-social behavior will be reduced, thus allowing the bad actors to prey on those trying to get an education. Poor and disruptive students who would like to drop out will be incented to remain, having the same deleterious effect.

The solution is easy but makes ACLU-types uncomfortable. Students should be taught with other students having the same potential, and not all thrown together in the same classrooms. Race should not even be considered; this should be based entirely on intelligence and aptitude testing. Curricula should be appropriate for the intellectual potential of the stratified student groups. It should be recognized that many students are simply not "college material" and they should be directed to subjects and a level of academic rigor where they can succeed. And if that means they are learning very basic things, so be it.

The result will - of course - be that the lower-level curricula will be primarily populated by "people of color."

And therefore, our societal do-gooders will stand in the way of this logical approach, claiming that some students would be stigmatized and prevented from achieving their full potential. Yes, better to drag everyone else down, so that the dullards won't feel badly about themselves.

The most difficult and intractable problems are the ones where we know the solution, but are too timid to implement it. Like this one.

Blacks got their way with afrocentric schools on theory that only Africans know how to teach other Africans. It failed of course, the fundamental problem is that a low IQ group cannot compete in a society that puts the premium on brains and good behavior. American blacks have about 25% euro DNA, but its not enough.

As long as white liberals deny reality and enable the blacks to be permanent victims, then there is guaranteed no solution.

 

[NCC1701]

Social Psychology, Religiosity, Authoritarianism, Christianity and IQ

I agree, muslims are very stupid

 

[grapple]

Many people seem not to understand the underlying concept behind "the bell curve," as it applies to demographics. If I say, for example, that the average IQ for Lithuanians is 95, that is not an indication of any prejudice on my part, or any reason for any individual Lithuanian to feel insulted. A Lithuanian might be a genius or a dullard, and the observation - assuming it's true - is only that a randomly selected Lithuanian is slightly more likely to be a dullard than a genius.

In my own family, among my five siblings, there are three with IQ's below 100 and two with IQ's over 140. Not easy to explain, but true. Smart mailman? Who knows? The principals are now all deceased.

Anyone with sufficient interest can confirm that the average IQ of Blacks living in Africa is very close to 85. Hence, no passage of time will result in Africa becoming a latter-day copy of Western Europe. Ain't happening.

And as with the hypothetical Lithuanians, there are high-achieving Black geniuses in Africa and there are dullards. Our former President would seem to have been sired by one of the former. As for African-Americans generally, most are of some level of mixed race but the overall average IQ remains below 90. And unfortunately, the "Black" population is trending toward more "inequality" as low-IQ, non-achieving Blacks are reproducing much faster than high-IQ, high-achieving Blacks.

As a result, our urban Blacks are basically at the same intellectual level (IQ) as their ancestors and distant cousins in Africa. Some are quite intelligent and accomplished, but they are a smaller portion of the urban Black population than, say, of the prosperous suburban populations, Black and white.

What does this mean, as it impacts public policy?

Well, essentially every urban area in the country with a large Black population deals perennially with what is euphemistically called an "achievement gap." For some unmentionable reason, the "Black" students are at a remarkably lower level of academic achievement than the GenPop. They all promise to work on it, they all spend money to develop special programs, and emphases, and whatnot, and - surprise, surprise, surprise - the achievement gap never goes away. But IT CAN NEVER GO AWAY, because it is caused by the urban Black population generally having a dramatically lower intellectual potential. It's not that the teachers and the schools aren't doing the Right Stuff, it's that the raw material they are working with does not have the Right Stuff.

And the danger is that in taking measures that are intended to reduce the Achievement Gap, the schools will start doing things that actually harm the high-achieving Blacks, and those who want to do their best in school. Tests and standards will be watered down so that the difference between the achieving students and the non-achieving students is not so stark. Grading will be compromised for the same purpose. Suspensions and expulsions for anti-social behavior will be reduced, thus allowing the bad actors to prey on those trying to get an education. Poor and disruptive students who would like to drop out will be incented to remain, having the same deleterious effect.

The solution is easy but makes ACLU-types uncomfortable. Students should be taught with other students having the same potential, and not all thrown together in the same classrooms. Race should not even be considered; this should be based entirely on intelligence and aptitude testing. Curricula should be appropriate for the intellectual potential of the stratified student groups. It should be recognized that many students are simply not "college material" and they should be directed to subjects and a level of academic rigor where they can succeed. And if that means they are learning very basic things, so be it.

The result will - of course - be that the lower-level curricula will be primarily populated by "people of color."

And therefore, our societal do-gooders will stand in the way of this logical approach, claiming that some students would be stigmatized and prevented from achieving their full potential. Yes, better to drag everyone else down, so that the dullards won't feel badly about themselves.

The most difficult and intractable problems are the ones where we know the solution, but are too timid to implement it. Like this one.

You talked a lot of crap. And missed the point. There is some relevance to IQ. But that isn't really the point. Because whenever I see a flock of birds, they are always the same type of birds. And every school of fish that I have ever seen were always the same type of fish. Etc. etc. etc. That IS the point. You finish off by saying that people know the solutions to problems. But for most people, I don't think they know a problem exists. As for solutions, the problem isn't that people are too timid to implement them. The problem is that people aren't even allowed to discuss doing so. They certainly aren't at any forum I have ever been to.

 

[jwoodie]

The problem with "identity" analysis is that it leads to destructive presumptions rather than constructive assumptions about individual abilities and achievement. I really don't care whether some "group" is over- or under-represented in a particular occupation, since that presupposes a normative definition of "success."

Why not let each individual chart his/her own course without other people deciding if it fits in with their preconceptions?

 

[Uncensored2008]

IQ's are affected by nutrition and environment as well as genetics, both before and after birth. It is interesting that IQ seems to have a genetic component but it changes in subsequent generations when the environment and parenting style changes.
The other thing to keep in mind is that IQ is only predictive of how well an individual will do academically, in school. It is not predictive of success in life.
I think mainstreaming has gone too far and it is part of the reason our standards have fallen in a lot of schools. Not everyone can achieve high levels of academia, but I disagree with you that it is their color. It more often has to do with poverty. Fix that for the communities of color (somehow--I don't know how) and you will fix the achievement problem as well.

Good point.

IQ is highly influenced by exposure to intellectual stimuli. Reading to a child regularly while the baby is still in the womb will increase the IQ of the child. The first 6 years are crucial, challenging the child with mental rigors will determine the intellectual capacity of the child.

The reality is that the brain is a muscle, if developed early you have a far more capable brain. American blacks have an average IQ of 85 purely because of the hostility black culture has toward education and learning, The brain of the baby in the womb is a blank canvas, it is up to the parents to be the artists and create the portrait of the person that child is to become.

 

[OldLady]

The other thing to keep in mind is that IQ is only predictive of how well an individual will do academically, in school. It is not predictive of success in life.

Are you sure about that? Could you explain how you came to that conclusion?

It's what I was taught in college, studying to be a teacher. Of course, they never breathed a word about blacks having lower IQ scores either, and when someone here first said it, I thought he was lying. Then I googled it and found it that it was indeed a fact. There was also a lot of information on why that might be, including some of the stuff I mentioned above.

The brain is highly plastic but like any other organ it is affected by environmental factors from conception forward. After birth, those little neurons blossom with certain parenting techniques that some cultures don't use. And genetics seem to play a factor, but it isn't all inclusive.

 

[Correll]

The other thing to keep in mind is that IQ is only predictive of how well an individual will do academically, in school. It is not predictive of success in life.

Are you sure about that? Could you explain how you came to that conclusion?

It's what I was taught in college, studying to be a teacher. Of course, they never breathed a word about blacks having lower IQ scores either, and when someone here first said it, I thought he was lying. Then I googled it and found it that it was indeed a fact. There was also a lot of information on why that might be, including some of the stuff I mentioned above.

The brain is highly plastic but like any other organ it is affected by environmental factors from conception forward. After birth, those little neurons blossom with certain parenting techniques that some cultures don't use. And genetics seem to play a factor, but it isn't all inclusive.

IT is a Founding Principle of this nation that all Men are Created Equal.

Scientific evidence that that is NOT true, is of course, very difficult for US to face.

As such we try hard to explain it away.

That is the opposite of science.

Thus, whatever the consensus is on what percentage role genetics seem to play, is, I'm sure the truth is a lot higher.

 

[Unkotare]

The other thing to keep in mind is that IQ is only predictive of how well an individual will do academically, in school. It is not predictive of success in life.

Are you sure about that? Could you explain how you came to that conclusion?

It's what I was taught in college, studying to be a teacher. Of course, they never breathed a word about blacks having lower IQ scores either, and when someone here first said it, I thought he was lying. Then I googled it and found it that it was indeed a fact. There was also a lot of information on why that might be, including some of the stuff I mentioned above.

The brain is highly plastic but like any other organ it is affected by environmental factors from conception forward. After birth, those little neurons blossom with certain parenting techniques that some cultures don't use. And genetics seem to play a factor, but it isn't all inclusive.

IT is a Founding Principle of this nation that all Men are Created Equal.

Scientific evidence that that is NOT true, is of course, very difficult for US to face.

As such we try hard to explain it away.

That is the opposite of science.

Thus, whatever the consensus is on what percentage role genetics seem to play, is, I'm sure the truth is a lot higher.

Good job completely misunderstanding what that founding principle really means.

 

[Correll]

The other thing to keep in mind is that IQ is only predictive of how well an individual will do academically, in school. It is not predictive of success in life.

Are you sure about that? Could you explain how you came to that conclusion?

It's what I was taught in college, studying to be a teacher. Of course, they never breathed a word about blacks having lower IQ scores either, and when someone here first said it, I thought he was lying. Then I googled it and found it that it was indeed a fact. There was also a lot of information on why that might be, including some of the stuff I mentioned above.

The brain is highly plastic but like any other organ it is affected by environmental factors from conception forward. After birth, those little neurons blossom with certain parenting techniques that some cultures don't use. And genetics seem to play a factor, but it isn't all inclusive.

IT is a Founding Principle of this nation that all Men are Created Equal.

Scientific evidence that that is NOT true, is of course, very difficult for US to face.

As such we try hard to explain it away.

That is the opposite of science.

Thus, whatever the consensus is on what percentage role genetics seem to play, is, I'm sure the truth is a lot higher.

Good job completely misunderstanding what that founding principle really means.

Good job of attacking what I say, without offering anything other than disagreement.

 

[Unkotare]

The other thing to keep in mind is that IQ is only predictive of how well an individual will do academically, in school. It is not predictive of success in life.

Are you sure about that? Could you explain how you came to that conclusion?

It's what I was taught in college, studying to be a teacher. Of course, they never breathed a word about blacks having lower IQ scores either, and when someone here first said it, I thought he was lying. Then I googled it and found it that it was indeed a fact. There was also a lot of information on why that might be, including some of the stuff I mentioned above.

The brain is highly plastic but like any other organ it is affected by environmental factors from conception forward. After birth, those little neurons blossom with certain parenting techniques that some cultures don't use. And genetics seem to play a factor, but it isn't all inclusive.

IT is a Founding Principle of this nation that all Men are Created Equal.

Scientific evidence that that is NOT true, is of course, very difficult for US to face.

As such we try hard to explain it away.

That is the opposite of science.

Thus, whatever the consensus is on what percentage role genetics seem to play, is, I'm sure the truth is a lot higher.

Good job completely misunderstanding what that founding principle really means.

Good job of attacking what I say, without offering anything other than disagreement.

You didn't really think it means everyone can bench the same weight, run a mile in the same time, or have the same SAT score, did you? Nobody can be that stupid.

 

[Correll]

Are you sure about that? Could you explain how you came to that conclusion?

It's what I was taught in college, studying to be a teacher. Of course, they never breathed a word about blacks having lower IQ scores either, and when someone here first said it, I thought he was lying. Then I googled it and found it that it was indeed a fact. There was also a lot of information on why that might be, including some of the stuff I mentioned above.

The brain is highly plastic but like any other organ it is affected by environmental factors from conception forward. After birth, those little neurons blossom with certain parenting techniques that some cultures don't use. And genetics seem to play a factor, but it isn't all inclusive.

IT is a Founding Principle of this nation that all Men are Created Equal.

Scientific evidence that that is NOT true, is of course, very difficult for US to face.

As such we try hard to explain it away.

That is the opposite of science.

Thus, whatever the consensus is on what percentage role genetics seem to play, is, I'm sure the truth is a lot higher.

Good job completely misunderstanding what that founding principle really means.

Good job of attacking what I say, without offering anything other than disagreement.

You didn't really think it means everyone can bench the same weight, run a mile in the same time, or have the same SAT score, did you? Nobody can be that stupid.

I think there was a lot of optimism and hope about everyone having equal or equivalent potential, and that hard evidence that strongly undermines that, is an ideological problem for this nation,

AND that, as I said, it has led many to attempt to explain away the data.


Which, as I said, is the exact opposite of science.

 

[Uncensored2008]

It's what I was taught in college, studying to be a teacher. Of course, they never breathed a word about blacks having lower IQ scores either, and when someone here first said it, I thought he was lying. Then I googled it and found it that it was indeed a fact. There was also a lot of information on why that might be, including some of the stuff I mentioned above.

The brain is highly plastic but like any other organ it is affected by environmental factors from conception forward. After birth, those little neurons blossom with certain parenting techniques that some cultures don't use. And genetics seem to play a factor, but it isn't all inclusive.

IT is a Founding Principle of this nation that all Men are Created Equal.

Scientific evidence that that is NOT true, is of course, very difficult for US to face.

As such we try hard to explain it away.

That is the opposite of science.

Thus, whatever the consensus is on what percentage role genetics seem to play, is, I'm sure the truth is a lot higher.

Good job completely misunderstanding what that founding principle really means.

Good job of attacking what I say, without offering anything other than disagreement.

You didn't really think it means everyone can bench the same weight, run a mile in the same time, or have the same SAT score, did you? Nobody can be that stupid.

I think there was a lot of optimism and hope about everyone having equal or equivalent potential, and that hard evidence that strongly undermines that, is an ideological problem for this nation,

AND that, as I said, it has led many to attempt to explain away the data.


Which, as I said, is the exact opposite of science.

Potential may not be fully equal, but with effort to develop potential the mental capacity of all increases dramatically.

Read to your child. start before birth. Sing to your child, music develops mathematical skills. Challenge your child to solve puzzles and riddles.

It's just like lifting weights, not everyone will be Arnold, but anyone who does diligently will develop strength within their own physique.

 

[Unkotare]

It's what I was taught in college, studying to be a teacher. Of course, they never breathed a word about blacks having lower IQ scores either, and when someone here first said it, I thought he was lying. Then I googled it and found it that it was indeed a fact. There was also a lot of information on why that might be, including some of the stuff I mentioned above.

The brain is highly plastic but like any other organ it is affected by environmental factors from conception forward. After birth, those little neurons blossom with certain parenting techniques that some cultures don't use. And genetics seem to play a factor, but it isn't all inclusive.

IT is a Founding Principle of this nation that all Men are Created Equal.

Scientific evidence that that is NOT true, is of course, very difficult for US to face.

As such we try hard to explain it away.

That is the opposite of science.

Thus, whatever the consensus is on what percentage role genetics seem to play, is, I'm sure the truth is a lot higher.

Good job completely misunderstanding what that founding principle really means.

Good job of attacking what I say, without offering anything other than disagreement.

You didn't really think it means everyone can bench the same weight, run a mile in the same time, or have the same SAT score, did you? Nobody can be that stupid.

I think there was a lot of optimism and hope about everyone having equal or equivalent potential, and that hard evidence that strongly undermines that, is an ideological problem for this nation,

AND that, as I said, it has led many to attempt to explain away the data.


Which, as I said, is the exact opposite of science.

Holy crap, you really are.

...

 

[Correll]

IT is a Founding Principle of this nation that all Men are Created Equal.

Scientific evidence that that is NOT true, is of course, very difficult for US to face.

As such we try hard to explain it away.

That is the opposite of science.

Thus, whatever the consensus is on what percentage role genetics seem to play, is, I'm sure the truth is a lot higher.

Good job completely misunderstanding what that founding principle really means.

Good job of attacking what I say, without offering anything other than disagreement.

You didn't really think it means everyone can bench the same weight, run a mile in the same time, or have the same SAT score, did you? Nobody can be that stupid.

I think there was a lot of optimism and hope about everyone having equal or equivalent potential, and that hard evidence that strongly undermines that, is an ideological problem for this nation,

AND that, as I said, it has led many to attempt to explain away the data.


Which, as I said, is the exact opposite of science.

Holy crap, you really are.

...

So, now, how do you plan to attack my point?