The Ice Ball-The Melt-The beginning of life---The Here & NOW

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People ask about the biblical flood and wonder if it was/is possible.
I’m going to throughout some facts then we can debate the evidence found and where we go from here-

[1] to begin you must have enough water to cover the land as far as the eye can see. So where did the water come from--------- (?)
About 650 years ago earth was mostly covered in ice.

An ice shelf is a thick suspended platform of ice that forms where a glacier or ice sheet flows down to a coastline and onto the ocean surface. Ice shelves are only found in Antarctica, Greenland, Canada, and the Russian Arctic. The boundary between the floating ice shelf and the anchor ice (resting on bedrock) that feeds it is called the grounding line. The thickness of ice shelves can range from about 100 m (330 ft) to 1,000 m (3,300 ft).

The Snowball Earth hypothesis proposes that during one or more of Earth's icehouse climates, Earth's surface became entirely or nearly entirely frozen at least once, sometime earlier than 650 Mya(million years ago). Proponents of the hypothesis argue that it best explains sedimentary deposits generally regarded as of glacial origin at tropicalpalaeolatitudes and other enigmatic features in the geological record. Opponents of the hypothesis contest the implications of the geological evidence for global glaciation and the geophysical feasibility of an ice- or slush-covered ocean[3][4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowball_Earth

"Snowball Earth" Confirmed: Ice Covered Equator Earth's now steamy Equator was covered with ice 716 million years ago, according to a new study. Strange fossil may be rare insect preserved in gemstone.

The finding appears to add solid evidence to the theory of an ancient "snowball Earth."

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/03/100304-snowball-earth-ice-global-warming/

[2] A Brief History of Ice Ages and Warming
Global warming began 18,000 years ago as the earth started warming its way out of the Pleistocene Ice Age-- a time when much of North America, Europe, and Asia lay buried beneath great sheets of glacial ice.
https://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html

[3] The beginning of life on earth—

About 700 million years ago plants began to evolve absorbing the CO2 and exhaling O2.
The dirty ice could have been the only dark spots on Earth's surface to absorb the sun's rays. As a result, these regions may have been more likely to melt, creating water bodies where primitive life-forms, such as algae and fungi, could thrive.
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/03/100304-snowball-earth-ice-global-warming/

This is the time period when “life” started living on the surface of the ice and among the melting water.

[2] Planet Earth was a very inhospitable place with no oxygen (O2) and only single-celled bacteria as inhabitants. According to a new study, the oxygen content in the air began to increase about 2.4 billion years ago, at the same time as the global glaciation and when all continents were gathered in a single huge landmass

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/02/170207104352.htm

Approximately every 100,000 years Earth's climate warms up temporarily. These warm periods, called interglacial periods, appear to last approximately 15,000 to 20,000 years before regressing back to a cold ice age climate. At year 18,000 and counting our current interglacial vacation from the Ice Age is much nearer its end than its beginning.

https://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html

More evidence of the melting ice—
Erosion generally forms very uneven surfaces. Now, look again at the pictures of the Grand Canyon in this paper and notice the crisp parallel lines between each layer. Many claim that there are evidences of erosion in lower layers, evidences of rivers, streams, rain, etc. However, these are generally isolated findings such as one might expect if they were formed rapidly, such as occurs with the rapid runoff of waters after a catastrophic flooding event.

After this formation, a massive amount of water was suddenly released in a huge runoff that covered several states, flowing from east to west. All of the sediment over the Grand Canyon region, above the Kaibab, was removed very rapidly by an extremely wide sheet of rapidly running water. Cedar Ridge was one massive waterfall. Notice that there is a distinct V-shaped formation at the tip where the eastern Grand Canyon begins - pointing toward Lake Powell. One can also recognize the deep punched-out appearance of the Canyon itself from the satellite photo as well as many of the other Canyon photos presented here. In other photos one can see the massive cliff-like faces that form a very wide valley where, in the middle, the Grand Canyon has been formed. The Grand Canyon is actually the baby canyon in comparison to the canyon in which is sits.

It seems that the sheet of rushing water dissipated before it could remove all of the elevated features, such as the various flat-topped buttes, in the GC region - which still remain as isolated islands sticking up above the relative flatness of the surrounding landscape. Also, as the water rapidly dissipated and the sheet of water narrowed, the "steps" of the Grand Staircase were formed.

http://detectingdesign.com/geologiccolumn.html

The oxygen increase was created by living organisms breathing in CO2 and exhaling (O2); absorbing the carbon.

Ammonites are perhaps the most widely known fossil, possessing the typically ribbed spiral-form shell as pictured above. These creatures lived in the seas between 240 - 65 million years ago, when they became extinct along with the dinosaurs. The name 'ammonite' (usually lower-case) originates from the Greek Ram-horned god called Ammon. Ammonites belong to a group of predators known as cephalopods, which includes their living relatives the octopus, squid, cuttlefish and nautilus (see pictures below).

http://www.discoveringfossils.co.uk/ammonites.htm

The Here And Now---------------

"Potentially historic" flooding threatens Southern states
Scientists are warning that historic flooding could soon deluge parts of several Southern states along the lower Mississippi River, where floodwaters could persist for several weeks. The flood threat in the South will be discussed Thursday, when the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration releases its 2019 spring outlook.

Experts plan a briefing on their flood forecast at the National Water Center in Tuscaloosa, Alabama. Thursday's report is aimed at helping emergency managers and other safety officials to prepare for flooding.

Flooding in Southern states this spring will be "potentially historic," NOAA said in an advisory.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mississippi-river-flooding-2019-potentially-historic-flooding-threatens-southern-states/

The Midwest floods are going to get much, much worse

An “unprecedented” flood season lies ahead this spring, according to NOAA.
By Umair Irfan Updated Mar 27, 2019, 2:21pm EDT

https://www.vox.com/2019/3/22/18277244/nebraska-flood-2019

Historic Midwest Flooding Likely to Cost at Least $1.3 Billion in Nebraska Alone; Missouri Towns Ordered to Evacuate
https://weather.com/news/news/2019-03-18-flooding-midwest-nebraska-iowa-rivers


What do we do next---?
 
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Okay, the fatal flaw, here:

You could cover all land with ice, and you still would not have enough water to cover all land with water. You see, ice flows more slowly than water. So, while you may have , say, 1000 feet of ice sitting on a parcel of land, the sea level is still at sea level at the coast. The sea level is not as high as the top of your tallest glacier. If the water trapped on those glaciers were liquid, it would simply flow back to the sea as fast or nearly as fast as it was deposited on land. The only reason you see persistent glaciers on land is because the flow of water to the sea is slowed down by the fact that it is frozen and, thus, flows more slowly.
 
The only reason you see persistent glaciers on land is because the flow of water to the sea is slowed down by the fact that it is frozen and, thus, flows more slowly.

Thanks for the response and having said that water is either frozen and does not "flow" or frozen water (ice) and floats; so I am a bit confused in your response. Try re-wording it and then maybe this 70 year old half brain dead may grasp your point.

Thanks in advance for whatever you have to offer :)-
 
I am saying that you could cover every square inch of land with ice and it would not represent enough water to flood the earth. Remember, if you were to flood the earth with liquid water, you would also need sea level to be as high as your high water mark on land. This is not the case when you merely cover all land with, say, 2000 foot thick glaciers. melt them all and you would only raise sea level by about 500 feet. So all land above 500 feet elevation would still be high and dry.
 
I should have added this in the beginning but it got a bit long as here it is-

Ammonites are perhaps the most widely known fossil, possessing the typically ribbed spiral-form shell as pictured above. These creatures lived in the seas between 240 - 65 million years ago, when they became extinct along with the dinosaurs. The name 'ammonite' (usually lower-case) originates from the Greek Ram-horned god called Ammon. Ammonites belong to a group of predators known as cephalopods, which includes their living relatives the octopus, squid, cuttlefish and nautilus (see pictures below).
DISCOVERING FOSSILS | What is an ammonite?
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NOTE: The above Ammonites were found on top of Mount Everest
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all and you would only raise sea level by about 500 feet. So all land above 500 feet elevation would still be high and dry.

New York City is at an elevation of 187 feet above sea level which means NYC would be under water.
Geographic coordinates of New York, New York, USA
Latitude: 40°42′51″ N
Longitude: 74°00′21″ W
Elevation above sea level: 57 m = 187 ft
500-187=313
Which means the NYC would be under a water depth 313 feet
How tall is the Empire State Building?
:)-
 
all and you would only raise sea level by about 500 feet. So all land above 500 feet elevation would still be high and dry.

New York City is at an elevation of 187 feet above sea level which means NYC would be under water.
Geographic coordinates of New York, New York, USA
Latitude: 40°42′51″ N
Longitude: 74°00′21″ W
Elevation above sea level: 57 m = 187 ft

Which means the NYC water depth 313 feet under water.
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So what? Did you forget you were arguing for a global flood?

Why did you tell me about marine fossils on mount Everest?
 
So what? Did you forget you were arguing for a global flood?
This is about a "global flood" as seen by people who saw it or new people who saw it/believed it at the time. which begs the phrase; as seen by the eye of the beholder


Why did you tell me about marine fossils on mount Everest?
I just decided to through in a bit of trivia (forgive me for straying)
:)-
 
This is about a "global flood" as seen by people who saw it or new people who saw it/believed it at the time. which begs the phrase; as seen by the eye of the beholder
Then why the goofy attempts to argue for a global flood by mentioning "snowball earth"?

So, now you are conceding that there was no global flood, just a local flood. Wow, poor Noah and all that work he did to go get kangaroos from Australia, for no reason at all...

Haha...you are utterly incoherent, my man.
 
When you pointed out marine fossils on mount Everest...what point did you think you were making?
Very large geological events have occurred over time. The top of Mount Everest was once part of a sea bed. With all this going on I cannot figure out why you deny the great flood.

Now having said that, I am here to be convinced otherwise.

May the debate continue :)-
 
With all this going on I cannot figure out why you deny the great flood.
Because it is physically impossible and there is not a shred of evidence for it.

Which also means nobody has to convince you there was no great flood, just as nobody has to do any work to convince anyone there are no leprechauns or fairies.
 
Because it is physically impossible and there is not a shred of evidence for it.

You are speaking from the point of view of someone who is living in the year 2,019AD

The one’s who wrote the great flood verses wrote them in about 2,00BC

What they saw they believed and even today I believe it too :)-
 
Well if earth cant be flooded even if whole thing is covered in ice I can rest easy global warmists claims of flooding are farcical
 

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