The Humanitarian Gaza Flotillas Saga

[Phoenall]

Billo_Really, et al,

Does it change the truth of the reality?

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From Phoeny's link:
...[the Panel] was not acting as a Court and was not asked to adjudicate on legal liability. Its findings and recommendations are therefore not intended to attribute any legal responsibilities.​

Boo-yah, bitches!

Now go back under your scumbag rocks.

(COMMENT)

Just because the Panel did not have it as part of its warrant and commission, does not change the facts. Most of the quasi-Investigations by the UN (directed specifically against Israel) are performed by Humanitarians activities and not either professional personnel with investigative experience or event experience in the specific realm under inquiry. In the case of the Blockade, the UN Human Rights Commission that concluded the blockade to be illegal, did NOT use the standard law relative to International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea (ie the San Remo Manual). This is the principle difference between the outcome of the two independent investigation. In fact the UNHRC Investigation is a case in which there is reasonable grounds to assume the Commission intentionally corrupted their investigation in order to derive a conclusions that would reach an outcome that was not at variance with a predetermined announced decision they had already made.

The UNHRC, with a disproportionate focus on the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, having disregarded every single case of Palestinian acts of terrorism, human rights violations, and war crimes, had demonstrated itself to be unquestionably destructive to its integrity in the discharge of public duties. The UNHRC has proven itself to be totally unreliable in the realistic assessment if applicable law and encouraging Arab Palestinians to violate both elements of Customary Law and International Human Rights Law. If was go back a half century, the UN did not condemn the Arab Palestinians for the July 1965 attack when Fatah cell plants explosives at Mitzpe Massua, near Beit Guvrin; and on the railroad tracks to Jerusalem near Kafr Battir. If we go back 45 years, the UN did not condemn the February 1970 bombing of SwissAir flight 330, bound for Tel Aviv, by the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. If we go back 40-to-45 years, we see that the UN did not condemn or hold tribunals for:

– May 1972: PFLP, part of the PLO, dispatches members of the Japanese Red Army to attack Lod Airport in Tel Aviv, killing 27 people.

– Sep 1972: Munich Massacre —11 Israeli athletes are murdered at the Munich Olympics by a group calling themselves “Black September,”said to be an arm of Fatah, operating under Arafat's direct command.

– Mar 1973: Palestinian terrorists take over Saudi embassy in Khartoum. The next day, two Americans, including United States ambassador to Sudan Cleo Noel, and a Belgian were shot and killed. James J. Welsh, an analyst for the National Security Agency from 1969 through 1974, charged Arafat with direct complicity in these murders.

– Apr 1974: 11 people are killed by Palestinian terrorists who attack apartment building in Kiryat Shmona.

– May 1974: PLO terrorists infiltrating from Lebanon hold children hostage in Ma'alot school. 26 people, 21 of them children, are killed.

– Jun 1974: Palestinian National Council adopts “Phased Plan,” which calls for the establishment of a Palestinian state on any territory evacuated by Israel, to be used as a base of operations for destroying the whole of Israel. The PLO reaffirms its rejection of United Nations Security Council Resolution 242, which calls for a “just and lasting peace” and the “right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force.”

– Nov 1974: PLO takes responsibility for the PDFLP's Beit She'an murders in which 4 Israelis are killed.

– Nov 1974: Arafat, wearing a holster (he had to leave his gun at the entrance), addresses the U.N. General Assembly.

– Mar 1975: Members of Fatah attack the Tel Aviv seafront and take hostages in the Savoy hotel. Three soldiers, three civilians and seven terrorists are killed.
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The list goes on and on; right up to the present day when the UN does not investigate the violations of customary and humanitarian laws the Arab Palestinians violated in connection with the lead-up and during the last Gaza conflict.

Most Respectfully,
R

Drop in the bucket compared to Israel's violations.

What violations would they be then, how about detailing them so we can see which LIES you will be pedalling now.

 

[Phoenall]

What is it you say again, AD HOMINENS ARE NOT VALID REBUTTALS

When you address the content of what was said, it is not an ad hominem.

When YOU address the content of the links you post and see that they are nothing more than blood libels and outright lies then you might stop relying on NAZI PROPAGANDA as your source of anti Jewish reports.

 

[Phoenall]

Just because the Panel did not have it as part of its warrant and commission, does not change the facts.

Unfortunately, the "facts" the Panel considered, were only based on the Turkel Commissions' Report, which was nothing more than an Israeli hasbara propaganda piece.

Most of the quasi-Investigations by the UN (directed specifically against Israel) are performed by Humanitarians activities and not either professional personnel with investigative experience or event experience in the specific realm under inquiry.

But in the case of the UNHRC-FFM, they did have on their Commission, experts in international and maritime law, backed up by many legal organizations contributing to the report.

"The FFM was equipped with a large support team so that its own very senior lawyers who are experienced in international criminal law were supplemented by experts in the law of the sea and international humanitarian law. In addition it met with a number of non-governmental organizations, had assistance from law firms in three countries, and was thoroughly briefed on the situation in Gaza by the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs."​

In the case of the Blockade, the UN Human Rights Commission that concluded the blockade to be illegal, did NOT use the standard law relative to International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea (ie the San Remo Manual).

You are FULL OF SHIT!

"55. It might be suggested that a belligerent in an armed conflict has a right to visit, inspect and control the destinations of neutral vessels on the high seas, irrespective of any declared blockade. Whilst there is some controversy on this issue, the San Remo Manual and a number of military manuals take the view that the right may only be exercised upon reasonable suspicion that a vessel is engaged in activities which support the enemy. The Mission takes the view that a right of interference with third States’ freedom of navigation should not lightly be presumed.

56. Thus, if there is no lawful blockade, the only lawful basis for intercepting the vessel would be a reasonable suspicion that it:

• was making an effective contribution to the opposing forces’ war effort, such as by carrying weaponry or was otherwise closely integrated into the enemy war effort (belligerent right of capture); or
• posed an imminent and overwhelming threat to Israel and there was no alternative but to use force to prevent it (self-defence under Article 51 of the United Nations Charter)."​

This is the principle difference between the outcome of the two independent investigation.

I just proved it wasn't. The principle difference was the Palmer Commission, did not do any independent investigation. It was nothing more than an hasbara hit piece.

In fact the UNHRC Investigation is a case in which there is reasonable grounds to assume the Commission intentionally corrupted their investigation in order to derive a conclusions that would reach an outcome that was not at variance with a predetermined announced decision they had already made.

No, there was no reasonable grounds to think that at all. This is what you fuckers do all the time. It's Israeli Propaganda 101. Discredit the source. But I will give you credit for going the extra mile in order to mask your ad hominiem by making up your own fact for discreditation.

I'm not interested in your following data dump...

The UNHRC, with a disproportionate focus on the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, having disregarded every single case of Palestinian acts of terrorism, human rights violations, and war crimes, had demonstrated itself to be unquestionably destructive to its integrity in the discharge of public duties. The UNHRC has proven itself to be totally unreliable in the realistic assessment if applicable law and encouraging Arab Palestinians to violate both elements of Customary Law and International Human Rights Law. If was go back a half century, the UN did not condemn the Arab Palestinians for the July 1965 attack when Fatah cell plants explosives at Mitzpe Massua, near Beit Guvrin; and on the railroad tracks to Jerusalem near Kafr Battir. If we go back 45 years, the UN did not condemn the February 1970 bombing of SwissAir flight 330, bound for Tel Aviv, by the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. If we go back 40-to-45 years, we see that the UN did not condemn or hold tribunals for:

– May 1972: PFLP, part of the PLO, dispatches members of the Japanese Red Army to attack Lod Airport in Tel Aviv, killing 27 people.

– Sep 1972: Munich Massacre —11 Israeli athletes are murdered at the Munich Olympics by a group calling themselves “Black September,”said to be an arm of Fatah, operating under Arafat's direct command.

– Mar 1973: Palestinian terrorists take over Saudi embassy in Khartoum. The next day, two Americans, including United States ambassador to Sudan Cleo Noel, and a Belgian were shot and killed. James J. Welsh, an analyst for the National Security Agency from 1969 through 1974, charged Arafat with direct complicity in these murders.

– Apr 1974: 11 people are killed by Palestinian terrorists who attack apartment building in Kiryat Shmona.

– May 1974: PLO terrorists infiltrating from Lebanon hold children hostage in Ma'alot school. 26 people, 21 of them children, are killed.

– Jun 1974: Palestinian National Council adopts “Phased Plan,” which calls for the establishment of a Palestinian state on any territory evacuated by Israel, to be used as a base of operations for destroying the whole of Israel. The PLO reaffirms its rejection of United Nations Security Council Resolution 242, which calls for a “just and lasting peace” and the “right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force.”

– Nov 1974: PLO takes responsibility for the PDFLP's Beit She'an murders in which 4 Israelis are killed.

– Nov 1974: Arafat, wearing a holster (he had to leave his gun at the entrance), addresses the U.N. General Assembly.

– Mar 1975: Members of Fatah attack the Tel Aviv seafront and take hostages in the Savoy hotel. Three soldiers, three civilians and seven terrorists are killed.
​

The list goes on and on; right up to the present day when the UN does not investigate the violations of customary and humanitarian laws the Arab Palestinians violated in connection with the lead-up and during the last Gaza conflict.

Most Respectfully,
R

Maybe your efforts would be better served discussing the pros and cons of "alien putty"?

Least Respectfully,
b

This ones for Hollie, in case she doubts anything I've said...

Says who ?

And lied about the facts so they could bolster their initial anti Jew report with their findings.

While the FFM was nothing more than ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDA and BLOOD LIBEL

Maybe you would be better occupied trying to plait shit

 

[Billo_Really]

When YOU address the content of the links you post and see that they are nothing more than blood libels and outright lies then you might stop relying on NAZI PROPAGANDA as your source of anti Jewish reports.

When you can explain why the contents of the links are blood libels, only then can we determine if they are outright lies.

 

[Phoenall]

When YOU address the content of the links you post and see that they are nothing more than blood libels and outright lies then you might stop relying on NAZI PROPAGANDA as your source of anti Jewish reports.

When you can explain why the contents of the links are blood libels, only then can we determine if they are outright lies.

The source alone tells you that they are libels and lies. then the uncorroborated nature of the reports show they are libels and lies. Your inability to find another source for the lies and libels just reinforces their lack of any credibility. I give you your picture of a tennis ball sixed projectile speeding towards a Palestinian terrorist that the report claimed hit him in the back and left a small 9mm entry wound.. Still waiting for the proof of this projectile doing a 180