The human cost of insulin in America

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    It should be free at the point of delivery. Most of the civilised world believes that. But it all has to be paid for through taxation.We all pay in and we are all covered. So it isnt "free" as in it costs nothing. But neither are the sick victimised for their misfortune in being sick. Its a civilised solution to a health lottery.

    Of course that doesnt punish the poor for being poor or sick but lets just make the most of it. Western European diabetics arent dying because big pharma owns their government.
     
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    Becoming clear that if an uninsured American were unable to afford insulin Tainted Tommy would welcome that individual into her/his/its home and render all possible help in getting that person enrolled in The National Health. But maybe just being an American wouldn't be enough. Now a Muslim American....yeah, that would make it easier, right?
     
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    here Tommy Tainant for you
    Diabetic, 27, dies after taking cheaper insulin as he lost private health insurance

    as for RE:
    To bypass the politics of fighting over beliefs about federal limits, jurisdiction and regulations,
    the faster more expedient and cost effective Constitutional solution would be to implement access to COOPERATIVES where people of each district and state can democratically decide which services and clients are best served through private or public programs, and let people control the costs by cutting out excess admin and bureaucracy.

    Giving this all to govt is not the answer but makes the bureaucracy impossible.
    That's partially why people are dying because going through national govt takes too long to serve people on an INDIVIDUAL level who need help immediately. Federal Govt is not immediate but takes years.

    Cooperatives would allow the costs to either be reduced enough for people to cover at cost OR pay for help for those who cannot afford it by going through either NONPROFITS set up through the cooperative, or go through federal clinics if they qualify. No further legislation is needed, the choices we have now can cover everyone, we just have to educate and support people to get the access to set up cooperatives. (similar to how Habitat for Humanity organizes communities and resources for people to build their own houses. waiting on govt takes too long. teaching people to set up their own programs will be faster, more cost effective and allow for universal care and charity support without any obstruction from political problems of trying to go through federal govt which invokes major battles, backlogs and bureaucratic red tape where corporate and political interests interfere with the democratic process. better to set this up directly and bypass all that, to ensure there is equal access to sustainable universal care)

    www.patientphysiciancoop.com
     
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    Dear Tommy Tainant
    If there's anything Trump understands it's business and hammering down on what's bad while trumpeting and demanding what's going to generate better business.

    If drug companies are complicit in the exploitation of addiction and suffering for profits,
    why not hold them to restitution and invest the costs of setting up access to nonprofit programs that can remedy the situation they took advantage of?

    What if they helped finance and fund the conversion of facilities into medical schools, teaching hospitals and clinics to universalize access?

    This might be a good angle - to tie in corporate level crimes, abuses, violations or corruption, and use that as legal leverage to compel investment in democratizing access to hospitals, clinics and medical programs, which can be made sustainable by tying the medical education and internships to public service in health outreach.
     

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