The House just voted to allow hunters to kill bears hibernating with their young

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    What about people that use them for food?
     
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    I agree with everything you said. If I lived in Alaska, I would lobby to make the laws reflect that.

    On on added note, I would also want my congress critter to get the federal government out of Alaska's business. That is what this piece of legislation does.

    I believe, though I could be wrong, Alaska can still make it's own rules and regulations, however it wants to. So can the native populations.

    If the Federal government can protect wildlife, they can also do away with any of Alaska's regulations prohibiting folks out of state hunting their wildlife. That is the upshot here.

    Don't be so short sighted.
     
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    If they are natives, they have always had the right to. According to the regulations, it says, "Non-Subsistence Take of Wildlife."
     
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    To you it's a mama bear and babies or a mama wolf and her young. To other wildlife they are predators ripping the throats out of caribou, moose and elk and others.

    You have to remember these beasts need our protection now. It's not a hunt. This is not for trophies. It is a true cull.

    This will give you an idea of how desperate all are to save these populations from predators. Wildlife biologists are assisting the governments to strike a balance.

    "Airlifting Pregnant Caribou Away From Wolves Caribou herds in British Columbia are threatened by a new predator. Indigenous people are taking extreme steps to save them.

    After capturing a pregnant female caribou in British Columbia, wildlife biologists prepare to airlift her by helicopter to a pen where she can give birth in safety.

    On a clear sunny day in March, in a snow-covered area of the South Peace River region of British Columbia, a female caribou is on the ground, struggling to get back on its feet.

    Surrounded by a team of biologists, veterinarians, and First Nations community members, the sedated animal is slowly opening its eyes. Cec Heron, lands and resource manager for the West Moberly First Nations, gently strokes its back and speaks to it in a soft voice.

    “I am just letting her know that she is now in a good place and will be very well looked after,” Heron says.

    Along with ten other pregnant females, this one has just been captured in the Rocky Mountains, by a net fired from a low-flying helicopter, and airlifted to a valley about 35 miles east of Mackenzie. In a pen guarded day and night by First Nations shepherds, protected from wolves and bears, the caribou will give birth and raise their calves, then be returned to the wild when they are less vulnerable.

    AND check out the statistics. And I love this Chief. He puts it so beautifully. That we have to be there for the caribou.

    The woodland caribou that live in and around the Rockies in southern British Columbia and Alberta are listed as threatened by the Canadian government; the committee of scientific experts that advises the government considers them endangered. In the South Peace region, the Klinse-Za herd has declined from 191 animals in 1997 to only 16 in 2013, with no calves surviving predation that year.

    “Caribou were here for us when we needed help. We have to be there for them now,” says Roland Willson, chief of the West Moberly First Nations, one of two aboriginal groups behind the penning project. “We have to do everything we can to try and fix the wrong that has been done here.”

    Airlifting Pregnant Caribou Away From Wolves
     
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    You can always find an excuse. The bill is flat out wrong and hiding behind other technicalities or semantics to back a bulls hit coward as bill like this is cowardly..and lame.
     
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    You don't have a clue what you are talking about.
     
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    Awesome link. Thank you. It's great to see that non kill solutions to predators are being considered as well. I wish people would understand that we owe it to the prey to find a balance.

    “It is not a question of economics, but a question of ethics,” says McNay. Because humans have created the threat to the caribou, “we are morally obligated to do something to help the species,” he says.

    Ryan Desjarlais is one of the shepherds tending to the caribou. In March, after the first animal was captured, Desjarlais was anxiously waiting on his snowmobile, close to the pen, for the helicopter to bring in more caribou. Desjarlais spent the next few months watching and feeding the caribou in the pen. Seven calves were born between May and June, and two died shortly after birth.

    At the end of July, the fence was pulled down to release the females and the five remaining calves. The animals slowly moved west and stayed within 12 miles (20 kilometers) of the pen. All are still alive, an improvement over last year when several caribou had been killed by wolves within the first few days of the release.

    “It means a lot to try and protect a species, especially one that is as hurting as this one,” Desjarlais says. “It would be nice to take my kid up to the territory where caribou used to roam, and say there are caribou back where they always were.”

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    I can understand wolves and can justify in my head....culling them...

    I have a problem doing this to Smokey the Bear and Yogi Bear! :D

    In Maine we control Black Bears by extending hunting season if there are too many and reducing hunting season if there are too few....much like we control our deer heard...

    AND MOST IMPORTANTLY

    I have a wild Black Bear Friend, he/she makes a stop by my house every year for the past 5 or 6 years, when she/he wakes up from hibernating....there is a least a couple of thousand of acres of woods surrounding us and I have no idea where she/he lives or where her den is....I just know about 6 years ago her momma, whose back was as tall as our economy car when on all fours :eek:, brought her/him here as a very small cub, and every year since he's come back, bigger and bigger every year, to our bird feeder and pulls the metal stand it hangs on to the ground and sits like a panda bear eating the sunflower seeds or suet that;s hanging, and Matt and I run out to the deck to scream and yell to shew it away, and he/she ALWAYS turns towards us, seems to have the most beautiful look in her/his endearing eyes and smiles at us, like saying ''hey, how are ya? long time no see!'', then he grabs the bird feeder container and runs like the dickens! And we don't see him or her until next April! He/she should be here soon....it's coming up on the time....though we still have snow on the ground and got snow again last night, so that could push the wake up out a little.... Black bears are the most beautiful creature I have ever seen close up in my entire life!

    Hopefully I won't be the headlines some day!

    ON THE WOODED COAST OF MAINE, LADY MAULED, KILLED, AND EATEN BY BLACK BEAR!


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    It's a cul of the wolfl, not eating the animals. td is wrong about the bear cull. The First Nations chief opposes killing bears.
     
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    Can we sodomize the sleeping bears first? You know, like the heartless 18th century barbarians we all want to regress to?
     
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