The Holy Bible and it's relation to religions based on it.

Discussion in 'Religion and Ethics' started by iamwhatiseem, Jun 4, 2012.

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  1. God's word and absolute rule and guide of faith

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  2. Written via the inspiration of God's who chose the authors , is the rule of guide of faith.

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  3. Written by religious leaders of the time, decent giude to go by but not the rule.

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  4. Historical record only, I do not believe the authors were ordained in any way by a God

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  5. Complete fabrication. Not even valuable as a historical record

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  1. iamwhatiseem
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    Poll is anonymous.
    Indicate what you believe the Bible is, and how it relates to your religious beliefs.
     
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    Word of God, imbued with the Holy Spirit.
     
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    Not trolling...honestly I am curious and interested in peoples religious belief and the Bible.
    You say absolute word of God...who was ordained? I mean, as you probably know, the new testament gospels were written hundreds of years after the date of Christ's burial - so who was ordained when the actual authors are unknown?
     
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    God is most likely an invention by man to explain that which s/he cannot understand.

    My values and behavior are not dependent on a God or fear of a hell.

    If God exists, he created Man, the Earth and Disease. S/He gave man a brain and set man free.

    It is up to us to make the best of a world which is both violent and dangerous and able to provide us with all we need to live a healthy, pleasurable life.
     
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    I believe the Bible to contain the Word of God as it accurately reflects the original texts and is translated correctly.

    Of course, the Bible also contains the words of the devil, of Good men, bad men, and the words of an ass rebuking his foolish master.

    If you follow the Bible, you can know God. Because the Bible teaches us how do have personal experiences with the Divine. The Servants of God have worked in every age to prepare the people to enter into the Lord's rest. Few have listened.
     
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    No, they weren't written hundreds of years after Christ.

    And I have no idea what you mean when you say "absolute word of God...who was ordained?"
     
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    So you believe the new testament was written as events happened?
    You do realize that the original text contain words and dialogue that did not exist in Christ's time? As well as the "paper" several books were written on did not exist yet. Any priest and most ministers are aware of this, that the gospels were written many years after the fact. And I am talking original writing, not later translations.
     
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    A collection of stories, some based on facts, used to influence people.
     
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    You are talking the same ignorant garbage that idiots who spend too much time listening to PBS have been talking for years.

    "
    The fact that both conservatives (F. F. Bruce, John Wenham) and liberals (Bishop John A. T. Robinson) have penned defenses of early dating for the New Testament is a witness to the strength of the data for an early date. For example, in ​
    Redating Matthew, Mark and Luke, noted conservative British scholar John Wenham presents a convincing argument
    that the synoptic Gospels are to be dated before 55 A.D. He dates Matthew at 40 A.D. (some tradition says the early 30s); Mark at 45 A.D. and Luke no later than 51-55 A.D.
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    German papyrologist Carsten Peter Thiede has argued that the Magdalen papyrus,
    containing snippets of three passages from Matthew 26, currently housed at Oxford University, are actually the oldest fragments of the New Testament, dating from about 70 A.D.Thiede’s book, ​
    Eyewitness to Jesus (Doubleday, 1995), points out that the Magdalen papyrus is written in Uncial style, which began to die out in the middle of the first century. In addition, the fragments are from a codex,2 containing writing on both sides of the papyri, which may have been widely used by Christians in the first century since they were easier to handle than scrolls. Further, at three places on the papyri the name of Jesus is written as KS, which is an abbreviation of the Greek word kyrios or Lord. Thiede argues that this shorthand is proof that early Christians considered Jesus a sacred name just as the devout
    Jews shortened the name of God to YHWH. This would indicate a very early belief for the deity of Christ.

    New papyrus discoveries, Thiede believes, will eventually prove that all four gospels, even the problematic one ascribed to John, were written before A.D. 80 rather than during the mid-second century. He argues that a scroll fragment unearthed at the Essene community of Qumran in 1972 almost certainly contains a passage from Mark’s gospel and can be accurately dated to A.D. 68. In Thiede’s opinion, recent research has established that
    a papyrus fragment of Luke in a Paris library was written between A.D. 63 and A.D. 67.​
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    Even liberal bishop John A. T. Robinson argued in his ​
    Redating the New Testament that the entire New Testament was written and in circulation between 40 and 65 A.D.4 And liberal Peter Stuhlmacher of Tubingen, trained in Bultmann’s critical methodology of form criticism, says, “As a Western scripture scholar, I am inclined to doubt these [Gospel] stories, but as historian, I am obligated to take them as reliable…. The biblical texts as they stand are the best hypothesis we have until now to explain what really happened.”5

    Indeed, it is becoming an increasingly persuasive argument that all the New Testament books were written before 70 A.D.—within a single generation of the death of Christ, and probably earlier."

    http://www.jashow.org/Articles/_PDFArchives/editors-choice/EC2W1102.pdf
     
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    Not to frame the entire thread around what year the new testament was written, but I can of course rebut this with 10 other links saying something different. In nearly all accounts I have ever read the earliest text found was at some point within 50 years of Christs time. Other parts were no doubt written many years later.
    To say that all of the text was written at the time the events transpired is a bit of a stretch.
     

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