The health care bill would impose $544 billion in new taxes

[sealybobo]

no, youre just a prick that begs the government to change your diapers

Is Bush your messiah? Do you worship the GOP and think that they are honest brokers? What a moonbat.

no i dont make messiahs out of asshole politicians, only dhimmicrats do that, and the GOP in trying to be more liberal fucked itself, if they cant see that then they are dead as a party

You already gave yourself away. You think the GOP fucked up by acting too much like Democrats.

So Republicans are the socialists. Actually, they only socialize the losses. They privatize all the profits.

So if you had a brain, you'd know socialism is better than that because then the GOV gets a ROI.

You guys purposely trying to break our government?

I know you hate it. You love America but not the government.

If you agree, then basically you are just another Bill Ayers.

 

[elvis]

Is Bush your messiah? Do you worship the GOP and think that they are honest brokers? What a moonbat.

no i dont make messiahs out of asshole politicians, only dhimmicrats do that, and the GOP in trying to be more liberal fucked itself, if they cant see that then they are dead as a party

You already gave yourself away. You think the GOP fucked up by acting too much like Democrats.

So Republicans are the socialists. Actually, they only socialize the losses. They privatize all the profits.

So if you had a brain, you'd know socialism is better than that because then the GOV gets a ROI.

You guys purposely trying to break our government?

I know you hate it. You love America but not the government.

If you agree, then basically you are just another Bill Ayers.

except
fatality is not a friend of the Ossiah and Ayers is.

 

[Navy1960]

I had the chance to read this thread and find the comments on here pretty much the same all over. Those in favor of Govt. mandated healthcare seem to be under the mistaken impression that somehow only the rich will pay for their healthcare. They also are under the mistaken impression that somehow they have a constitutional right to healthcare which the they clearly do not. So I thought I might post the actual text from the language of the house bill that I am debating in another thread to show what happens when those that don't have the so called APPROVED coverage, what happens..

‘‘SEC. 59B. TAX ON INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT ACCEPTABLE
19 HEALTH CARE COVERAGE.
20 ‘‘(a) TAX IMPOSED.—In the case of any individual
21 who does not meet the requirements of subsection (d) at
22 any time during the taxable year, there is hereby imposed
23 a tax equal to 2.5 percent of the excess of—
1 ‘‘(1) the taxpayer’s modified adjusted gross in2
come for the taxable year, over
3 ‘‘(2) the amount of gross income specified in
4 section 6012(a)(1) with respect to the taxpayer.
5 ‘‘(b) LIMITATIONS.—
6 ‘‘(1) TAX LIMITED TO AVERAGE PREMIUM.—
7 ‘‘(A) IN GENERAL.—The tax imposed
8 under subsection (a) with respect to any tax9
payer for any taxable year shall not exceed the
10 applicable national average premium for such
11 taxable year.

So if any of you think for one moment that your healthcare costs are going to go down think again.

 

[Skull Pilot]

I had the chance to read this thread and find the comments on here pretty much the same all over. Those in favor of Govt. mandated healthcare seem to be under the mistaken impression that somehow only the rich will pay for their healthcare. They also are under the mistaken impression that somehow they have a constitutional right to healthcare which the they clearly do not. So I thought I might post the actual text from the language of the house bill that I am debating in another thread to show what happens when those that don't have the so called APPROVED coverage, what happens..

‘‘SEC. 59B. TAX ON INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT ACCEPTABLE
19 HEALTH CARE COVERAGE.
20 ‘‘(a) TAX IMPOSED.—In the case of any individual
21 who does not meet the requirements of subsection (d) at
22 any time during the taxable year, there is hereby imposed
23 a tax equal to 2.5 percent of the excess of—
1 ‘‘(1) the taxpayer’s modified adjusted gross in2
come for the taxable year, over
3 ‘‘(2) the amount of gross income specified in
4 section 6012(a)(1) with respect to the taxpayer.
5 ‘‘(b) LIMITATIONS.—
6 ‘‘(1) TAX LIMITED TO AVERAGE PREMIUM.—
7 ‘‘(A) IN GENERAL.—The tax imposed
8 under subsection (a) with respect to any tax9
payer for any taxable year shall not exceed the
10 applicable national average premium for such
11 taxable year.

So if any of you think for one moment that your healthcare costs are going to go down think again.

Good post navy.

But liberals don't have to think because they believe.

 

[Fatality]

Barack Obama's gaffe: seeking greater inefficiencies - Politico Staff - POLITICO.com

Obama: My health plan would bring greater 'inefficiencies'...

not a gaffe, the truth slipped out, the liar cant control his tongue

 

[sealybobo]

no i dont make messiahs out of asshole politicians, only dhimmicrats do that, and the GOP in trying to be more liberal fucked itself, if they cant see that then they are dead as a party

You already gave yourself away. You think the GOP fucked up by acting too much like Democrats.

So Republicans are the socialists. Actually, they only socialize the losses. They privatize all the profits.

So if you had a brain, you'd know socialism is better than that because then the GOV gets a ROI.

You guys purposely trying to break our government?

I know you hate it. You love America but not the government.

If you agree, then basically you are just another Bill Ayers.

except
fatality is not a friend of the Ossiah and Ayers is.

He hates government. Ayers had the balls to do something about it. I don't condoln what he did, but look how you guys love the Texas & Alaska governors who want to secede from America.

I guess you hate America too, just not enough to do anything about it, pussies!

Real patriotic.

 

[sealybobo]

Those in favor of Govt. mandated healthcare seem to be under the mistaken impression that somehow only the rich will pay for their healthcare. They also are under the mistaken impression that somehow they have a constitutional right to healthcare which the they clearly do not. So I thought I might post the actual text from the language of the house bill that I am debating in another thread to show what happens when those that don't have the so called APPROVED coverage, what happens..

‘‘SEC. 59B. TAX ON INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT ACCEPTABLE
19 HEALTH CARE COVERAGE.
20 ‘‘(a) TAX IMPOSED.—In the case of any individual
21 who does not meet the requirements of subsection (d) at
22 any time during the taxable year, there is hereby imposed
23 a tax equal to 2.5 percent of the excess of—
1 ‘‘(1) the taxpayer’s modified adjusted gross in2
come for the taxable year, over
3 ‘‘(2) the amount of gross income specified in
4 section 6012(a)(1) with respect to the taxpayer.
5 ‘‘(b) LIMITATIONS.—
6 ‘‘(1) TAX LIMITED TO AVERAGE PREMIUM.—
7 ‘‘(A) IN GENERAL.—The tax imposed
8 under subsection (a) with respect to any tax9
payer for any taxable year shall not exceed the
10 applicable national average premium for such
11 taxable year.

So if any of you think for one moment that your healthcare costs are going to go down think again.

Nice how you slip MANDATED into the sentence. That's how I know you are being dishonest.

We want single payer. But the corporate media tells you we want government mandated..... well not if you put it like that.

The rich will pay a little more. Corporations will actually pay a little less. And we will pay a little less.

It will cost less. So yea, no problem.

 

[Navy1960]

want more? okay here you are, when it comes to who is qualifies and who does not,

13 SEC. 202. EXCHANGE-ELIGIBLE INDIVIDUALS AND EMPLOY14
ERS.
15 (a) ACCESS TO COVERAGE.—In accordance with this
16 section, all individuals are eligible to obtain coverage
17 through enrollment in an Exchange-participating health
18 benefits plan offered through the Health Insurance Ex19
change unless such individuals are enrolled in another
20 qualified health benefits plan or other acceptable coverage.
21 (b) DEFINITIONS.—In this division:
22 (1) EXCHANGE-ELIGIBLE INDIVIDUAL.—The
23 term ‘‘Exchange-eligible individual’’ means an indi24
vidual who is eligible under this section to be en25
rolled through the Health Insurance Exchange in an

1 Exchange-participating health benefits plan and,
2 with respect to family coverage, includes dependents
3 of such individual.

There are NO and I repeat no requirements for residency that would establish citizenship in this bill. So yes you will pay for those who don't pay taxes for their healthcare too.

 

[Fatality]

Is Bush your messiah? Do you worship the GOP and think that they are honest brokers? What a moonbat.

no i dont make messiahs out of asshole politicians, only dhimmicrats do that, and the GOP in trying to be more liberal fucked itself, if they cant see that then they are dead as a party

You already gave yourself away. You think the GOP fucked up by acting too much like Democrats.

So Republicans are the socialists. Actually, they only socialize the losses. They privatize all the profits.

So if you had a brain, you'd know socialism is better than that because then the GOV gets a ROI.

You guys purposely trying to break our government?

I know you hate it. You love America but not the government.

If you agree, then basically you are just another Bill Ayers.

blah blah blah what the fuck are you even talking about, engage brain before opening mouth plz

guys like mccain, romney etc are a band of libs, they are the kind of people you love if only they had the guts to call themselves "democrats." its all about party for you, youre a drone marching to your orders no questions asked.

no, i do not love government, only a fucking half wit fool would love government...guess we know what that makes you

 

[sealybobo]

want more? okay here you are, when it comes to who is qualifies and who does not,

13 SEC. 202. EXCHANGE-ELIGIBLE INDIVIDUALS AND EMPLOY14
ERS.
15 (a) ACCESS TO COVERAGE.—In accordance with this
16 section, all individuals are eligible to obtain coverage
17 through enrollment in an Exchange-participating health
18 benefits plan offered through the Health Insurance Ex19
change unless such individuals are enrolled in another
20 qualified health benefits plan or other acceptable coverage.
21 (b) DEFINITIONS.—In this division:
22 (1) EXCHANGE-ELIGIBLE INDIVIDUAL.—The
23 term ‘‘Exchange-eligible individual’’ means an indi24
vidual who is eligible under this section to be en25
rolled through the Health Insurance Exchange in an

1 Exchange-participating health benefits plan and,
2 with respect to family coverage, includes dependents
3 of such individual.

There are NO and I repeat no requirements for residency that would establish citizenship in this bill. So yes you will pay for those who don't pay taxes for their healthcare too.

Yea. I heard people talk about how they had an emergency in Switzerland or Canada and they weren't even citizens and yet the doctors cured them anyways.

Relax, you can pay a little more and go see a doctor who only sees rich people.

 

[sealybobo]

no i dont make messiahs out of asshole politicians, only dhimmicrats do that, and the GOP in trying to be more liberal fucked itself, if they cant see that then they are dead as a party

You already gave yourself away. You think the GOP fucked up by acting too much like Democrats.

So Republicans are the socialists. Actually, they only socialize the losses. They privatize all the profits.

So if you had a brain, you'd know socialism is better than that because then the GOV gets a ROI.

You guys purposely trying to break our government?

I know you hate it. You love America but not the government.

If you agree, then basically you are just another Bill Ayers.

blah blah blah what the fuck are you even talking about, engage brain before opening mouth plz

guys like mccain, romney etc are a band of libs, they are the kind of people you love if only they had the guts to call themselves "democrats." its all about party for you, youre a drone marching to your orders no questions asked.

no, i do not love government, only a fucking half wit fool would love government...guess we know what that makes you

I trust my elected officials more than CEO's. I can call up my politicians, vote them out, etc.

What would you do if gas was $5 a gallon? Would you:

a. Take matters in your own hands
b. Call your politician
c. Call the CEO and ask him to stop gouging us

 

[Fatality]

You already gave yourself away. You think the GOP fucked up by acting too much like Democrats.

So Republicans are the socialists. Actually, they only socialize the losses. They privatize all the profits.

So if you had a brain, you'd know socialism is better than that because then the GOV gets a ROI.

You guys purposely trying to break our government?

I know you hate it. You love America but not the government.

If you agree, then basically you are just another Bill Ayers.

except
fatality is not a friend of the Ossiah and Ayers is.

He hates government. Ayers had the balls to do something about it. I don't condoln what he did, but look how you guys love the Texas & Alaska governors who want to secede from America.

I guess you hate America too, just not enough to do anything about it, pussies!

Real patriotic.

i dont hate government either dipshit, i just dont prostrate myslef in front of it and bow at the feet of fuck up politicians. oh, and in case youre not aware, and it seems youre not...the PEOPLE of the United States are the government, politicians are the SERVANTS of the PEOPLE so grow a fucking brain.

 

[sealybobo]

no i dont make messiahs out of asshole politicians, only dhimmicrats do that, and the GOP in trying to be more liberal fucked itself, if they cant see that then they are dead as a party

You already gave yourself away. You think the GOP fucked up by acting too much like Democrats.

So Republicans are the socialists. Actually, they only socialize the losses. They privatize all the profits.

So if you had a brain, you'd know socialism is better than that because then the GOV gets a ROI.

You guys purposely trying to break our government?

I know you hate it. You love America but not the government.

If you agree, then basically you are just another Bill Ayers.

guys like mccain, romney etc are a band of libs, they are the kind of people you love if only they had the guts to call themselves "democrats." its all about party for you, youre a drone marching to your orders no questions asked.

no, i do not love government, only a fucking half wit fool would love government...guess we know what that makes you

You are a house slave who sold out to the corporations.

Just cause you don't get what I'm saying doesn't mean I'm wrong.

Oh, the old "GOP are the lesser of the two evils" argument. Too bad you spent 8 years SWEARING they aren't evil.

PS. Don't use the "I didn't agree with BUsh" argument either. YOu're either with or against us. So did you vote for Obama? Then who gives a fuck what you think.

 

[Fatality]

You already gave yourself away. You think the GOP fucked up by acting too much like Democrats.

So Republicans are the socialists. Actually, they only socialize the losses. They privatize all the profits.

So if you had a brain, you'd know socialism is better than that because then the GOV gets a ROI.

You guys purposely trying to break our government?

I know you hate it. You love America but not the government.

If you agree, then basically you are just another Bill Ayers.

guys like mccain, romney etc are a band of libs, they are the kind of people you love if only they had the guts to call themselves "democrats." its all about party for you, youre a drone marching to your orders no questions asked.

no, i do not love government, only a fucking half wit fool would love government...guess we know what that makes you

You are a house slave who sold out to the corporations.

Just cause you don't get what I'm saying doesn't mean I'm wrong.

Oh, the old "GOP are the lesser of the two evils" argument. Too bad you spent 8 years SWEARING they aren't evil.

PS. Don't use the "I didn't agree with BUsh" argument either. YOu're either with or against us. So did you vote for Obama? Then who gives a fuck what you think.

stupid bitch, obama is the house slave

 

[Navy1960]

want more? okay here you are, when it comes to who is qualifies and who does not,

13 SEC. 202. EXCHANGE-ELIGIBLE INDIVIDUALS AND EMPLOY14
ERS.
15 (a) ACCESS TO COVERAGE.—In accordance with this
16 section, all individuals are eligible to obtain coverage
17 through enrollment in an Exchange-participating health
18 benefits plan offered through the Health Insurance Ex19
change unless such individuals are enrolled in another
20 qualified health benefits plan or other acceptable coverage.
21 (b) DEFINITIONS.—In this division:
22 (1) EXCHANGE-ELIGIBLE INDIVIDUAL.—The
23 term ‘‘Exchange-eligible individual’’ means an indi24
vidual who is eligible under this section to be en25
rolled through the Health Insurance Exchange in an

1 Exchange-participating health benefits plan and,
2 with respect to family coverage, includes dependents
3 of such individual.

There are NO and I repeat no requirements for residency that would establish citizenship in this bill. So yes you will pay for those who don't pay taxes for their healthcare too.

Yea. I heard people talk about how they had an emergency in Switzerland or Canada and they weren't even citizens and yet the doctors cured them anyways.

Relax, you can pay a little more and go see a doctor who only sees rich people.

You know sealy I really appreciate you pointing that out because it actually backs up what I have been saying. What it says is thatfor the vast majority of people there will be low quailty healthcare after the passage of this bill and for those able to afford it, they will have access to the high quality healthcare that is until those "level playing field" types get upset about that too and then demand that no one be allowed to have high quality healthcare.

 

[HUGGY]

want more? okay here you are, when it comes to who is qualifies and who does not,

13 SEC. 202. EXCHANGE-ELIGIBLE INDIVIDUALS AND EMPLOY14
ERS.
15 (a) ACCESS TO COVERAGE.—In accordance with this
16 section, all individuals are eligible to obtain coverage
17 through enrollment in an Exchange-participating health
18 benefits plan offered through the Health Insurance Ex19
change unless such individuals are enrolled in another
20 qualified health benefits plan or other acceptable coverage.
21 (b) DEFINITIONS.—In this division:
22 (1) EXCHANGE-ELIGIBLE INDIVIDUAL.—The
23 term ‘‘Exchange-eligible individual’’ means an indi24
vidual who is eligible under this section to be en25
rolled through the Health Insurance Exchange in an

1 Exchange-participating health benefits plan and,
2 with respect to family coverage, includes dependents
3 of such individual.

There are NO and I repeat no requirements for residency that would establish citizenship in this bill. So yes you will pay for those who don't pay taxes for their healthcare too.

Yea. I heard people talk about how they had an emergency in Switzerland or Canada and they weren't even citizens and yet the doctors cured them anyways.

Relax, you can pay a little more and go see a doctor who only sees rich people.

You know sealy I really appreciate you pointing that out because it actually backs up what I have been saying. What it says is thatfor the vast majority of people there will be low quailty healthcare after the passage of this bill and for those able to afford it, they will have access to the high quality healthcare that is until those "level playing field" types get upset about that too and then demand that no one be allowed to have high quality healthcare.

What it says is thatfor the vast majority of people there will be low quailty healthcare

You do not have any evidense of that. Your negativity is boorish.

 

[LilOlLady]

Obama's plan will pay for itself with the saving and it will cover more people and give them choices that private health coverage does not.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Obama's plan will pay for itself with the saving and it will cover more people and give them choices that private health coverage does not.

How?

 

[Care4all]

I had the chance to read this thread and find the comments on here pretty much the same all over. Those in favor of Govt. mandated healthcare seem to be under the mistaken impression that somehow only the rich will pay for their healthcare. They also are under the mistaken impression that somehow they have a constitutional right to healthcare which the they clearly do not. So I thought I might post the actual text from the language of the house bill that I am debating in another thread to show what happens when those that don't have the so called APPROVED coverage, what happens..

‘‘SEC. 59B. TAX ON INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT ACCEPTABLE
19 HEALTH CARE COVERAGE.
20 ‘‘(a) TAX IMPOSED.—In the case of any individual
21 who does not meet the requirements of subsection (d) at
22 any time during the taxable year, there is hereby imposed
23 a tax equal to 2.5 percent of the excess of—
1 ‘‘(1) the taxpayer’s modified adjusted gross in2
come for the taxable year, over
3 ‘‘(2) the amount of gross income specified in
4 section 6012(a)(1) with respect to the taxpayer.
5 ‘‘(b) LIMITATIONS.—
6 ‘‘(1) TAX LIMITED TO AVERAGE PREMIUM.—
7 ‘‘(A) IN GENERAL.—The tax imposed
8 under subsection (a) with respect to any tax9
payer for any taxable year shall not exceed the
10 applicable national average premium for such
11 taxable year.

So if any of you think for one moment that your healthcare costs are going to go down think again.

how does what you posted mean our health care costs are going up??? This section is for those making above a certain amount of money, who did not buy his own insurance....right? so, how does that affect those WITH insurance or make their insurance costs go up?

can you please post the exceptions in subsection d mentioned above?

can you also post section 6012a which is mentioned above?

how can anyone possibly know what this section of the bill means without those 2 sections mentioned???

care

 

[Care4all]

want more? okay here you are, when it comes to who is qualifies and who does not,

13 SEC. 202. EXCHANGE-ELIGIBLE INDIVIDUALS AND EMPLOY14
ERS.
15 (a) ACCESS TO COVERAGE.—In accordance with this
16 section, all individuals are eligible to obtain coverage
17 through enrollment in an Exchange-participating health
18 benefits plan offered through the Health Insurance Ex19
change unless such individuals are enrolled in another
20 qualified health benefits plan or other acceptable coverage.
21 (b) DEFINITIONS.—In this division:
22 (1) EXCHANGE-ELIGIBLE INDIVIDUAL.—The
23 term ‘‘Exchange-eligible individual’’ means an indi24
vidual who is eligible under this section to be en25
rolled through the Health Insurance Exchange in an

1 Exchange-participating health benefits plan and,
2 with respect to family coverage, includes dependents
3 of such individual.

There are NO and I repeat no requirements for residency that would establish citizenship in this bill. So yes you will pay for those who don't pay taxes for their healthcare too.

there is nothing in what you posted that gave eligibility to illegals, nada....

is there a section in this bill that has definition of who is eligible?

care