The hard cold truth of modern style racism

[IM2]

That's a dumb ass question.

It's definitely NOT a dumbass question.. But this is a dumbass thread..

You get provoked by looking at some raw numbers, IMMEDIATELY leap over all critical thinking and analysis and declare RACISM... You didn't even KNOW how many systems of picking state judges exist in the various states, REFUSE to discuss valid demographics and political reasons for that disparity and go and wank out a thread declaring it racist...

While the Brennan Institute probably stops short of CALLING it racism to maintain their dignity -- because they are AWARE of the real world reasons for the disparity in numbers (as I just repeated) -- THEY have a cynical POLITICAL objective to pack courts in states where people chose to be conservative or at LEAST -- not progressive... That's their goal.. To FORCE unconstitutional requirements on states with virtually NO black citizenship or majority leftist governments with black judges that will heel to the march of Socialism and Progressivism in states they cannot REACH within the laws...

The reason for the disparity in those numbers (for the 3rd time) is mostly demographics, politics and process of selection. -- NOT racism as in your dumbass title.... You want to remain ignorant of that. And refuse to even ALLOW the discussion...

So I'll oblige you... Have fun on the soapbox....

It was a dumb ass question and I know the numbers full well.

"A recent report on racial and gender diversity from the American Constitution Society found that white men comprise 58 percent of state court judges, even though they make up less than one-third of the population. Less than one-third of state judges are women, and only 20 percent are people of color. Meanwhile, Latinos constitute 17 percent of the U.S. population, African Americans 12 percent, and Asians and other people of color 8 percent. Women of color comprise nearly one-fifth of the overall population but only 8 percent of state judges."

Racial and Gender Diversity Sorely Lacking in America’s Courts - Center for American Progress

If it was just about the things you say the information above would not be so.

This is not the Center for American Progress according to flacaltenn..

" Last week, a group of African American voters sued Alabama under the Voting Rights Act, alleging that its system of at-large elections for the state’s three appellate courts discriminates against black voters. Since 1994, every black candidate for the state’s 19 appellate judgeships has lost to a white candidate. As ThinkProgress noted, “At-large elections have been a common tactic across the country” to minimize the political influence of voters of color."

 

[flacaltenn]

That's a dumb ass question.

It's definitely NOT a dumbass question.. But this is a dumbass thread..

You get provoked by looking at some raw numbers, IMMEDIATELY leap over all critical thinking and analysis and declare RACISM... You didn't even KNOW how many systems of picking state judges exist in the various states, REFUSE to discuss valid demographics and political reasons for that disparity and go and wank out a thread declaring it racist...

While the Brennan Institute probably stops short of CALLING it racism to maintain their dignity -- because they are AWARE of the real world reasons for the disparity in numbers (as I just repeated) -- THEY have a cynical POLITICAL objective to pack courts in states where people chose to be conservative or at LEAST -- not progressive... That's their goal.. To FORCE unconstitutional requirements on states with virtually NO black citizenship or majority leftist governments with black judges that will heel to the march of Socialism and Progressivism in states they cannot REACH within the laws...

The reason for the disparity in those numbers (for the 3rd time) is mostly demographics, politics and process of selection. -- NOT racism as in your dumbass title.... You want to remain ignorant of that. And refuse to even ALLOW the discussion...

So I'll oblige you... Have fun on the soapbox....

It was a dumb ass question and I know the numbers full well.

"A recent report on racial and gender diversity from the American Constitution Society found that white men comprise 58 percent of state court judges, even though they make up less than one-third of the population. Less than one-third of state judges are women, and only 20 percent are people of color. Meanwhile, Latinos constitute 17 percent of the U.S. population, African Americans 12 percent, and Asians and other people of color 8 percent. Women of color comprise nearly one-fifth of the overall population but only 8 percent of state judges."

Racial and Gender Diversity Sorely Lacking in America’s Courts - Center for American Progress

If it was just about the things you say the information above would not be so.

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This is not the Center for American Progress according to flacaltenn..

" Last week, a group of African American voters sued Alabama under the Voting Rights Act, alleging that its system of at-large elections for the state’s three appellate courts discriminates against black voters. Since 1994, every black candidate for the state’s 19 appellate judgeships has lost to a white candidate. As ThinkProgress noted, “At-large elections have been a common tactic across the country” to minimize the political influence of voters of color."

You don't UNDERSTAND the numbers. The numbers are for states where Demographics, Politics and the process of selection determine the make-up of the courts. NOT RACISM...

You SUCK at math and logic and reason.. When there are only 50 states involved in the numbers, quoting NATION-WIDE results is entirely misleading.. BECAUSE of the three effects I've been giving you..

You don't get that.. I can't help you.. You're DOOMED to live a frustrating ignorant existence....



You failed to read or counter ANYTHING I've asserted...

 

[Marion Morrison]

Oh lawdy. Any Modern Style racism lives between IM2's ears.

And that theory is flawed.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

As of this very second, 24 states have all white supreme courts. 18 state supreme courts have NEVER had a non white justice. In 2019. Yet in places like this people want to argue about how things are all in the past, or some other silly auto response some whites have when people of color speak truth.

State Supreme Courts Don’t Reflect the Diversity of the Communities They Serve
A new Brennan Center report details vast racial and gender disparities on state supreme courts around the country.
Alicia Bannon, Laila Robbins
July 23, 2019

We spent a year studying the gender and racial makeup of state supreme courts, which are typically the final arbiters on state law. Our new report, State Supreme Court Diversity, paints a bleak picture of the demographic makeup of these powerful courts. It also points to judicial elections as a key inflection point for addressing the racial disparities we found.

Currently, white men are dramatically overrepresented on state supreme court benches. Though white men make up less than a third of the population, they hold a majority of seats on state supreme courts. Meanwhile, though people of color make up nearly 40 percent of the U.S. population, they hold only 15 percent of state supreme court seats.

Twenty-four states currently have an all-white supreme court bench. This includes eight states in which people of color are at least a quarter of the state’s general population. And in states that have at least one justice of color, there are substantial gaps between the diversity in a state’s general population and its high court bench: the percentage of people of color on the bench is higher than their representation in the state’s population in only five states.

Eighteen states have never had a Black justice on their state supreme court. And 13 states have not seated a single justice of color since at least 1960, the earliest year for which we had comprehensive data.

Elections have rarely been a path to the bench for people of color. Since 1960, only 17 justices of color have first reached the bench through an election, comprising 4 percent of initially elected justices. Comparatively, 141 justices of color were initially appointed to the bench since 1960, comprising 12 percent of all initially appointed justices.

Although candidates of color were more likely to have prior judicial experience as challengers to incumbents or as candidates for open seats, they won less often than their white counterparts.

State Supreme Courts Don’t Reflect the Diversity of the Communities They Serve

The only racism that exist today is the establishments KILL kill kill whitey


The elites have a plan
they plan to shrink earths population to around a billion ...we're only first on the list cause we're the biggest pains in the asses

 

[PixieStix]

What happens if you guys stop engaging IM2? Does he talk to himself?

 

[IM2]

Lets stop denying the obvious here. 18 states have never had a person of color on their state supreme court. To think there has not been one person of color that on merit did not qualify EVER is straight up insane.

You do realize blacks are only 13% of the population and there are hardly any black people in some states, no?

In my state of Washington (democrat majority most of the time) Blacks are just 3.65% of the population, which managed to vote in a black man for Governor years ago. In my Metro city area (third largest in state) no blacks in ANY offices at all, hardly ever seen one run for office either. I was unable for find out if a black person ever held a Superior or supreme court office in the state courts.

But I do know that to qualify you MUST have a law degree, and have some court experience and competence, to get into the high courts. Not surprising when so few blacks have law degrees and so few aspire for high courts, which is the dominant factor on why they don't show up.

IM2 is making a mountain out of a molehill.

Not so. But whites have benefited the most from affirmative action and swear the program is unfair. That's making a mountain out of a molehill. The study shows that nationwide people of color are 40 percent of the population. Not just blacks, but people of color. And they are underrepresented on these courts regardless of their population in a state. But since you are white it's easy for you to make such comments.

Your deflection to Affirmative action (Which is an insult to blacks) is noted for what it is, a desperate attempt to ignore the point of MY post about the state I live in. When blacks make up such a small segment of a state population, it is unsurprising not to see any blacks in courts or the state house.

You have already called me a racist for my telling you I refuse to pay for reparations, since my past family were never slave owners and never supported segregation.

Your never ending racism is irrational and divisive.

You are a racist. And not because you refuse reparation we would be seeking from the government that made all the things you talk about not doing legal. Affirmative action is not just for blacks and given what happened whites really need to be quiet about it.

Affirmative Action Has Helped White Women More Than Anyone | TIME.com

And the OP was about the lack of people of color, which make up approximately 30 percent of your states population.

Washington (state) - Wikipedia

I'm neither racist or divisive. Whites like you are just soft and can't take truth.

 

[IM2]

What happens if you guys stop engaging IM2? Does he talk to himself?

You scared?

 

[IM2]

As of this very second, 24 states have all white supreme courts. 18 state supreme courts have NEVER had a non white justice. In 2019. Yet in places like this people want to argue about how things are all in the past, or some other silly auto response some whites have when people of color speak truth.

State Supreme Courts Don’t Reflect the Diversity of the Communities They Serve
A new Brennan Center report details vast racial and gender disparities on state supreme courts around the country.
Alicia Bannon, Laila Robbins
July 23, 2019

We spent a year studying the gender and racial makeup of state supreme courts, which are typically the final arbiters on state law. Our new report, State Supreme Court Diversity, paints a bleak picture of the demographic makeup of these powerful courts. It also points to judicial elections as a key inflection point for addressing the racial disparities we found.

Currently, white men are dramatically overrepresented on state supreme court benches. Though white men make up less than a third of the population, they hold a majority of seats on state supreme courts. Meanwhile, though people of color make up nearly 40 percent of the U.S. population, they hold only 15 percent of state supreme court seats.

Twenty-four states currently have an all-white supreme court bench. This includes eight states in which people of color are at least a quarter of the state’s general population. And in states that have at least one justice of color, there are substantial gaps between the diversity in a state’s general population and its high court bench: the percentage of people of color on the bench is higher than their representation in the state’s population in only five states.

Eighteen states have never had a Black justice on their state supreme court. And 13 states have not seated a single justice of color since at least 1960, the earliest year for which we had comprehensive data.

Elections have rarely been a path to the bench for people of color. Since 1960, only 17 justices of color have first reached the bench through an election, comprising 4 percent of initially elected justices. Comparatively, 141 justices of color were initially appointed to the bench since 1960, comprising 12 percent of all initially appointed justices.

Although candidates of color were more likely to have prior judicial experience as challengers to incumbents or as candidates for open seats, they won less often than their white counterparts.

State Supreme Courts Don’t Reflect the Diversity of the Communities They Serve

The only racism that exist today is the establishments KILL kill kill whitey


The elites have a plan
they plan to shrink earths population to around a billion ...we're only first on the list cause we're the biggest pains in the asses

None of this is happening.

 

[PixieStix]

IM2 seems to be jealous. Jealousy is a dangerous emotion.

 

[IM2]

Here is a prime example of 8chan thinking and a belief in white replacement.

What exactly did people think was going to happen?

You ain't going to correct anything this way. it has gotten as far as it will ever be. You must bring the whole system down and then rebuild it. There is no transformation. You go back 400 years. There are people who are pizzed off in the crap they took in their own lifetimes now.

Yep, blacks are pissed off about the crap we take right now.

 

[PixieStix]

What happens if you guys stop engaging IM2? Does he talk to himself?

You scared?

No, just like to know why people act like you do and what makes them tic. I think what makes you tic is jealousy

 

[IM2]

IM2 seems to be jealous. Jealousy is a dangerous emotion.

What am I supposed to be jealous of?

 

[PixieStix]

IM2 seems to be jealous. Jealousy is a dangerous emotion.

What am I supposed to be jealous of?

Everything and everyone. I just don't understand why anyone should engage your ass. All you do is call everyone racist that disagrees with your farakahnish ideas

 

[IM2]

What happens if you guys stop engaging IM2? Does he talk to himself?

You scared?

No, just like to know why people act like you do and what makes them tic. I think what makes you tic is jealousy

The attitudes of people like you. What made you become a racist? And what allows you to dismiss continuing history to come to such an ignorant conclusion?

 

[IM2]

IM2 seems to be jealous. Jealousy is a dangerous emotion.

What am I supposed to be jealous of?

Everything and everyone

Why is this persons off topic posts continued to be allowed?

 

[impuretrash]

IM2 seems to be jealous. Jealousy is a dangerous emotion.

What am I supposed to be jealous of?

Beautiful white skin and big white brains

 

[PixieStix]

IM2 seems to be jealous. Jealousy is a dangerous emotion.

What am I supposed to be jealous of?

Everything and everyone

Why is this persons off topic posts continued to be allowed?

I am allowed to make observations, or do you think you are more special than me?

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

As of this very second, 24 states have all white supreme courts. 18 state supreme courts have NEVER had a non white justice. In 2019. Yet in places like this people want to argue about how things are all in the past, or some other silly auto response some whites have when people of color speak truth.

State Supreme Courts Don’t Reflect the Diversity of the Communities They Serve
A new Brennan Center report details vast racial and gender disparities on state supreme courts around the country.
Alicia Bannon, Laila Robbins
July 23, 2019

We spent a year studying the gender and racial makeup of state supreme courts, which are typically the final arbiters on state law. Our new report, State Supreme Court Diversity, paints a bleak picture of the demographic makeup of these powerful courts. It also points to judicial elections as a key inflection point for addressing the racial disparities we found.

Currently, white men are dramatically overrepresented on state supreme court benches. Though white men make up less than a third of the population, they hold a majority of seats on state supreme courts. Meanwhile, though people of color make up nearly 40 percent of the U.S. population, they hold only 15 percent of state supreme court seats.

Twenty-four states currently have an all-white supreme court bench. This includes eight states in which people of color are at least a quarter of the state’s general population. And in states that have at least one justice of color, there are substantial gaps between the diversity in a state’s general population and its high court bench: the percentage of people of color on the bench is higher than their representation in the state’s population in only five states.

Eighteen states have never had a Black justice on their state supreme court. And 13 states have not seated a single justice of color since at least 1960, the earliest year for which we had comprehensive data.

Elections have rarely been a path to the bench for people of color. Since 1960, only 17 justices of color have first reached the bench through an election, comprising 4 percent of initially elected justices. Comparatively, 141 justices of color were initially appointed to the bench since 1960, comprising 12 percent of all initially appointed justices.

Although candidates of color were more likely to have prior judicial experience as challengers to incumbents or as candidates for open seats, they won less often than their white counterparts.

State Supreme Courts Don’t Reflect the Diversity of the Communities They Serve

Interesting. I read the study--much truth there..along with a bit of over-simplification and statistical over-reach. For an example..requiring Idaho, Wyoming or Montana to give preference to Black people based on a perceived injustice nationwide..would be absurd, IMO.Their courts DO reflect the demographics of the State. Well..at least as far as Black people go. An argument could be made for Latino Representation..at least in Idaho--and Native American representation in Montana, North and South Dakota. This study limits itself to Black people though. The assumption is that there is,or will be, qualified applicants of color in those states. I see no reason why not.

There are 8 States that do not, according to this study, reflect the demographics. In those States that hold elections for the office..how would you redress the imbalance/ Limit an election to blacks? Not exactly Constitutional, I imagine. We could change the process to appointment...and limit the potential field to blacks, I guess.

I'm curious as to what you would see as a solution/ some form of quota or preference..until the balance is redressed? The question arises--is it in our best interests to possibly exclude the best candidate..in favor of redressing this imbalance? I reject the notion that there should be a nation-wide benchmark when the office is a State appointment.

If your point was simply to bring attention to this issue..I agree..Blacks are not represented in some states and under-represented in others. Institutional racism will be with us for generations.

 

[IM2]

.......plus--the black judges would not be fair--all blacks think about is RACE and their decisions on RACE mostly
...the 2012 election/OJ SImpson trial/protests-burning--looting FOR criminals
the blacks are FOR criminals and against law and order
your thread is proof of this

I disagree, while I do agree that's all IM2 thinks about, he's pretty much the scum of the earth. Most black people are better than he is.

Most black people think like me.

Omg... A prophet is amongst us. I'll say you're more talented than Max Mouth Waters or many others. But your theory of 'collective black thought' needs a rough kick in the pants... And I'm thinking you're gonna get that kick as your political party continues to melt down... Won't be much longer that "all black people think and vote alike"...

You're more political than any kind of genuine Civil Rights leader that's made a name.. That's the weakness to your arrogance of speaking for all black people...

MLK went to the president idiot. The collective white thought you display is what needs the kicking. And the retarded white retort of you don't talk for all blacks because what you believe has been shown to be bunk, isn't going to cut it. You don't speak for any blacks. You are the one talking about politics and there will be no meltdown. Not when blacks hold leadership positions in the democratic party and black republicans are quitting.

You arrogance in believing that you speak for blacks and what you say on matters of race is definitive, non debatable fact is going to get shoved up your backside every time. Blacks don't vote for black republicans because black republicans generally don't have the best interests of the black community in mind.

That's why it happens. And as I am black, I'm not going to be debating some white man about it.

 

[IM2]

IM2 seems to be jealous. Jealousy is a dangerous emotion.

What am I supposed to be jealous of?

Everything and everyone

Why is this persons off topic posts continued to be allowed?

I am allowed to make observations, or do you think you are more special than me?

You are allowed to make comments that pertain to the thread topic.