The Green Energy buble is bursting fast, everywhere

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    Drilling offshore of Alaska.

    Obama not talking about climate change.

    Germany is talking about building coal fired power plants.

    The Green Energy Bubble Is Bursting Fast Everywhere | Power Line

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ruz3vA0uP1c]Nat King Cole - The Party's Over - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    Solar in the US has been growing at the rate of 70% annually for the last 5 years. Even if all subsidies are removed, the lowest predicted growth rate is 20% annually. Wish I had a bank account that would yeild those numbers. And wind has grown from about 2 gw just over a decade ago, to nearly 50gw at present. In several states the percentage of wind generated electricity is near or over 10%. That is significant.
     
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    How much of that is due to increased government subsidies in California?
     
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    It's peak wind time.. And solar growth rate without subsidies would be tiny.


    Go ahead, buy a solar ETF they're real cheap right now... Lemme know when you're in so we can track it together. I'm all in on NLR, a nuclear ETF.. Let's see who rides out this decade in better shape...

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    It's all hands on deck time.. Expect to see a massive final push for more wind, solar.. Then the adults can decide what a real energy policy is gonna be..
     
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    Are you expecting Nuclear to get cheaper for some reason? Its already more expensive then gas, hydro, coal and wind. I just don't really see the point of it anymore. As far as I can tell the battle is between cheap (gas) and green (wind), who supports Nuclear?
     
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    Nuclear is the only 24/7 reliable source that will address Global Warming. With 100 new nuke plants we could

    tear down the dams and free the salmon.

    start closing coal plants which put more radioactivity into the air than any other source.

    mitigate Global warming with a reliable NO Greenhouse gas technology.

    have enough juice to really charge those EVs or make hydrogen for fuel cell cars.


    Wind power is the worst source in terms of availability. Even the world's BEST wind farms lay quiet and juiceless about a day or more each week. Worse -- it can be generating at near peak right now and dead quiet 20 minutes from now. You cannot turn other sources on/off that quickly to compensate for the flakiness. So you need to running almost a full 100% backup to wind (like nat gas) because the grid cannot be overloaded by a wind spike nor can it store anything for a wind gap. Wind is NOT an alternative. It's a supplement at best. A monstrous pesky burden on the grid system operators at the worst.

    What I've advocating for nuclear is to sponsor a "glow-off" between today's best nuclear designs. Put the prototypes waaay out into the Nevada proving grounds and test them until they are near breaking. Once they are certified in this fast (maybe 4 yr period) then the best designs that survive the testing phase can be fielded quickly with accelerated approvals. Nuclear CAN be proven to be much safer today than our 30+ yr old plants.
     
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    Except nuclear power is always abused by profiteers, who cannot or refuse to design proper core media or cooling systems.

    Nuclear is just another game in the way of biomass, to minimize emissions, and re-greening, to counter emissions. We don't have the capital, for 100 new nuclear plants, and we don't have the people, who are smart enough to design or manage them, indefinitely.

    Scratch a nuker, find some guy who wants to cut the population, to 500 million, from 7 billion. Trying to jump from oil to nukes, neatly, is one way to suddenly lower the population. Failing to re-green is another. Putting nukes in the hands of people, who cannot fathom climate change, via hockey stick models is suicidal. If you pronounce it, 'nukuler,' you are too stupid to manage it.
     
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    Got it wrong stoner.. We're not the folks that want to sterilize people. That would be your kissing cousins the Communists and the Progressives and the Green Party Zero Pop Growth crowd.. Those losers are now related to right-wing Population control nuts like NumbersUSA.

    Yeah -- tell that to the NAVY whose flagships and submarines ALL live long healthy nuclear lives...

    No ---> Nuclear is a TRUELY CO2 free power source. And close to as little waste per household as you could ever imagine. And don't you worry about the capital.. The adults will handle that part. I know it's hard for you to comprehend but capital is not zero sum. If you assist economic growth by making energy PLENTIFUL and CHEAP, by magic, more capital appears.. Presto--- Wantaseemepullarabbitoutofmyhat Rockey?
     
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