CDZ The Greatest, Most Articulate, Most Profound Social Commentator of Our Time: Jordan Peterson

[FA_Q2]

Ran into some interesting things from him on YouTube. I would say that he really is not a conservative though. He just has some core arguments that agree with some conservative positions. Of course, that really gives me a more appreciation for him. He is not a partisan.

You might find this interesting. It is very long (3 hours) but is very interesting IMHO. Worth the time IMHO.

So you appreciate misogynistic egomaniacs who try to drown their 'followers' in excessive verbiage and 1950's ideas (phrased to sound modern)?

So noted.

Most of his ideas fall into two categories with me? 'Well duh' ones or 'nonsensical' ones (most - the latter).

No offense, but if you are actually learning substantial things from this guy...than you are probably either generally confused and/or stupid.

lol.

That is an interesting position to take 20 min after I post a 3 hour vid. Essentially, you just tried to call me stupid for thinking a discussion was interesting that you did not even watch.

You might want to avoid calling people stupid or confused from a position of ignorance.

 

[Mac1958]

I would say that he really is not a conservative though. He just has some core arguments that agree with some conservative positions. Of course, that really gives me a more appreciation for him. He is not a partisan.

Agreed.

I like him because he's intelligent, thoughtful, civil, and very interesting. He challenges mindsets. He's not a sheep.

Making people think used to be a good thing. Nowadays that makes him problematic, for some. So they just attack.

We've turned a very troubling corner: If I don't agree with you, I can't like you. We're devolving back into childhood.
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[Tommy Tainant]

Never trrust a messiah with a book deal.

 

[sakinago]

Just a bunch of BS that caters to how some want to view things. He has found a money making niche with it, quite profitable for him.

Jordan Peterson’s Flimsy Philosophy of Life

Jordan Peterson’s Bullshit

Review of Jordan Peterson’s Stupid Lecture – Alexander Douglas – Medium

That is a nice list of what OTHER people think about Peterson but ultimately not very helpful.

Listening to some of his debates I really don't see him as all that different from a dozen other people in similar situations but he really is quite competent. MOst of the time people simply do not respond because they cant argue with the logic.

Then again, logic and reasoning do not take a front seat in political discourse anymore.

Half of the time, they seem to not be able to argue with him because they do not understand him fully. He is known for using unnecessary verbiage/terminologies. And it is obvious that he uses it to try an intimidate.
It's called - in some business circles - Greenspan-talk.

But if you actually listen to what he is saying - and break it down - it's largely nonsensical or staggeringly 'well duh'ish'. It's also LOADED with stereotypes and misogyny.
The guy CLEARLY has a hate on for independent women.

Ok there’s archetypes, which he does touch on a lot, then theres stereotypes, which are different. Archetypes are common, universal themes that pop up in every single culture, from every single time period. If you don’t like archetypes, then be upset with the people who made 50 shades of grey the fastest selling book ever, Greek mythology, and anybody who likes Star Wars.

You’re going to have to be more specific when you claim misogyny. If misogyny to you is the fact that there are gender differences, then be upset with reality. Yes Peterson points to these differences, but that’s not even the main point he tries to get across. The main point he tries to get across is, yes there are gender differences (and this needs to be recognized, sorry 3rd wave feminism), but there’s more differences between individuals of the genders than there is between genders themselves. It’s only very apparent in the extremes in the group, e.g. Men are typically more aggressive, there are plenty of women who are more aggressive then men, but you really only see the difference in the extremes like men make up 90% of the prison population world wide, and most of the women in prison are there because they get involved with a bad guy. Basically stereotypes are off in 95% of cases, it’s only in the 5% on the extreme ends do you see them manifest. That’s at least in reference to gender stereotypes.

Really what his message is about women is at the very least flattering to them, because it’s his view that they mature and grow up faster, and in this day and age have their shit together way more than men. Which is why his main message is for men to get their shit together.

Like I said you’re going to have to be specific when you use the phrase misogynistic, what specifically does he say that is misogynistic?

 

[sakinago]

Never trrust a messiah with a book deal.

Never trust someone who only makes simple ad hominem arguments.

He’s a pretty smart dude as evidence by his career at the UN, Harvard, and University of Toronto where he leads the Psych department. He would’ve been considered someone politically dead center 8 or more years ago. He’s only considered “partisan” now because he’s saying the radical left has grown and are dangerous if they continue to grow. He still says the far right are very stupid and flat out wrong, but they’re easier to pick out and dismiss vs the far left since there are extremely few who don’t consider the Nazis (ethno-centric nationalism) as flat out evil. He makes very clear the fact that the right and left need each other, because too much of one or the other always turns bad. He, a recently unknown Canadian psych professor without any traditional fame propulsion stepping stone (name another famous psych professor who blew up from an opinion posted on YouTube), exploded on the scene just by stating why the left has gone too far, both historically and scientifically, in a way that makes sense. His message to fix this is people need to take responsibility of their own lives before they try to fix the world. Is that obvious, yes, but few are being taught that, let alone putting it into practice. It makes sense which is why it is resonating.

No he’s not the messiah, but he’s a very capable person, putting out a message that has been missing for many and makes sense. That’s why he’s been blowing up. He’s not the only one blowing up either, look at joe Rogan, just long ass unedited conversations with thinkers. Sam Harris, disagrees with Peterson about 90% on everything, but intellectually honest enedited conversations with thinkers. Ben Shapiro, conservative Jew who has intellectually honest conversations with those he disagrees with.The Wienstien brothers (Brett and Eric, not to be confused with the movie producers), again relatively unknown professors, that were and still lifelong progressives, who blew up by standing up against the even farther left (as well as being able to have intellectually honest conversations). There’s a few different common patterns here, despite this being a politically diverse group.

All I hear against Peterson so far is either name-calling using terms like misogynistic without backing it up, ad hominems, or strawmen. Be specific about what you don’t like about what Peterson said, then we can have an intellectually honest conversation about that.

 

[MarathonMike]

I really enjoy watching Jordan Peterson interviews. I would describe him as brutally honest which puts him in direct contrast with PC culture. That is why Liberals don't like him. He doesn't use high sounding lofty terms that don't mean anything. He uses clear simple language and puts his finger right on the issue and digs it in to make sure you get it.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Ok, never heard of the guy.

His biggest presence is on YouTube, bumping elbows with the fools doing the lastest viral.challenge and dancing as they run alongside their moving cars, but he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Yeah, let's go with that.

Keep whistling

 

[FA_Q2]

Just a bunch of BS that caters to how some want to view things. He has found a money making niche with it, quite profitable for him.

Jordan Peterson’s Flimsy Philosophy of Life

Jordan Peterson’s Bullshit

Review of Jordan Peterson’s Stupid Lecture – Alexander Douglas – Medium

That is a nice list of what OTHER people think about Peterson but ultimately not very helpful.

Listening to some of his debates I really don't see him as all that different from a dozen other people in similar situations but he really is quite competent. MOst of the time people simply do not respond because they cant argue with the logic.

Then again, logic and reasoning do not take a front seat in political discourse anymore.

Half of the time, they seem to not be able to argue with him because they do not understand him fully. He is known for using unnecessary verbiage/terminologies. And it is obvious that he uses it to try an intimidate.
It's called - in some business circles - Greenspan-talk.

But if you actually listen to what he is saying - and break it down - it's largely nonsensical or staggeringly 'well duh'ish'. It's also LOADED with stereotypes and misogyny.
The guy CLEARLY has a hate on for independent women.

Ok there’s archetypes, which he does touch on a lot, then theres stereotypes, which are different. Archetypes are common, universal themes that pop up in every single culture, from every single time period. If you don’t like archetypes, then be upset with the people who made 50 shades of grey the fastest selling book ever, Greek mythology, and anybody who likes Star Wars.

You’re going to have to be more specific when you claim misogyny. If misogyny to you is the fact that there are gender differences, then be upset with reality. Yes Peterson points to these differences, but that’s not even the main point he tries to get across. The main point he tries to get across is, yes there are gender differences (and this needs to be recognized, sorry 3rd wave feminism), but there’s more differences between individuals of the genders than there is between genders themselves. It’s only very apparent in the extremes in the group, e.g. Men are typically more aggressive, there are plenty of women who are more aggressive then men, but you really only see the difference in the extremes like men make up 90% of the prison population world wide, and most of the women in prison are there because they get involved with a bad guy. Basically stereotypes are off in 95% of cases, it’s only in the 5% on the extreme ends do you see them manifest. That’s at least in reference to gender stereotypes.

Really what his message is about women is at the very least flattering to them, because it’s his view that they mature and grow up faster, and in this day and age have their shit together way more than men. Which is why his main message is for men to get their shit together.

Like I said you’re going to have to be specific when you use the phrase misogynistic, what specifically does he say that is misogynistic?

mi·sog·y·nis·tic - məˌsäjəˈnistik adj: 1) anyone not ignoring reality to demand that male and female are identical in every single way 2) refusing to accept that 100 percent equal outcome between the sexes is not the natural state of absolutely anything.

 

[Crepitus]

Ok, never heard of the guy.

His biggest presence is on YouTube, bumping elbows with the fools doing the lastest viral.challenge and dancing as they run alongside their moving cars, but he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Yeah, let's go with that.

Keep whistling

You got it, and you keep blowing smoke up our collective ass.

 

[AveryJarhman]

I admire Mr. Peterson for sharing documented truth about FATHERLESS American children and teens.

"J.Peterson: Fatherlessness and Dealing With a Terrible World"



Peace.

 

[jwoodie]

Conservatives have finally found the Moses to lead them out of the media wilderness. Superlatives can’t begin to describe Jordan Peterson. Watch his dozens of videos on YouTube. Buy his book, 12 Rules or Life, An Antidote to Chaos. This guy is the liberal arts degree we all should have gotten in college. He is brilliant. But he applies his brilliance so that we can connect to it instead of instead of holding us at arms length. Best of all he destroys all the progressive myths with pure logic.

As a conservative you always believed you were on the right path but you never had as much of the intelligentsia back you up. You were shamed into submission, shouted down, spat upon, and diminished in every aspect of your being. Worst of all you were branded ignorant, backwards and pedestrian. Jordan Peterson changes all that. He gives each one of us the weapons and armor we need to go into battle with the elitists, the left, the college professors and the socialists. He has an answer for everything. He embraces the individual, not the collective. He tramples all over notions like rudderless compassion or utopian visions. He brings Jung and Freud and his training as a clinical psychologist into full play. The man is informed on everything from biology to pop culture. He speaks with such erudition and clarity you spend time just savoring a sentence over and over. It is not an overstatement to say that he may singlehandedly reverse the decline of western civilization.

His book is not light reading. It takes a focus for me. I find I grasp it better on the audio book. I have only finished three chapters but chapter three gives you all the ammunition you need to dispatch all the left leaning army here at usmb. Yes he is that good. It would not do for me to paraphrase his ideas as I could not approach his level of communication.

I gladly confess to being a disciple, even a sycophant. One of Peterson’s greatest suggestions is that if you are going to be a moral man you are required to be a judge mental man, there can be no morality without it. That’s a good start. Research this guy. Be a part of history while it is being made. Use this guy to find meaning and direction in your life. I certainly am. Thank you Jordan Peterson.

OK, I admit it: jwoodie is my pen name. And thanks for the kind words.

 

[Correll]

But the act of thinking through issues provides a foundation for people like me who are looking for an intellectual basis for our case.

No offense shrimp but is this not backwards?

You really should not be looking for intellectual foundations for your causes or beliefs. Rather those causes and beliefs should be based on intellectual foundations that are already set. IOW, the thinking should come before the cause, not the cause searching for the thinking.

That is not the way people actually think.

 

[MarathonMike]

Just a bunch of BS that caters to how some want to view things. He has found a money making niche with it, quite profitable for him.

Jordan Peterson’s Flimsy Philosophy of Life

Jordan Peterson’s Bullshit

Review of Jordan Peterson’s Stupid Lecture – Alexander Douglas – Medium

Try listening for yourself instead of accepting the views of those who are threatened by his message.

 

[FA_Q2]

But the act of thinking through issues provides a foundation for people like me who are looking for an intellectual basis for our case.

No offense shrimp but is this not backwards?

You really should not be looking for intellectual foundations for your causes or beliefs. Rather those causes and beliefs should be based on intellectual foundations that are already set. IOW, the thinking should come before the cause, not the cause searching for the thinking.

That is not the way people actually think.

No, most people do not think that way but many do and everyone should.

How you think is a choice - you can mire yourself in reinforcing what you already demand to be true or you can actively challenge yourself looking for ways that you are wrong.

 

[Shrimpbox]

It has been awhile, reality keeps interrupting my budding podcasts, but mr Peterson’s star shines just as bright for me as three weeks ago. I have had to travel a lot and these audio books are so convenient. I will say listening to his book I have to take one chapter at a time and let it marinate. There are so many vines coming out of my brain after one chapter that I have to replant them to clear the deck for more thinking. I would not call it a slog but it is heavy reading. I have really enjoyed Peterson’s talks with Joe Rogan on YouTube. Rogan complements the professor and lightens the intellectualism a bit. A couple of sundays ago Peterson was being interviewed on fox and said he and his wife were doing a tour with three hour sessions, I need to check into that. My one complaint is that many of the YouTube videos are not accurately titled.

As luck would have it, I have found another YouTube pearl. For those claiming that Peterson is a pinheaded blowhard, let me introduce you to Blue Collar



Please, whether you are conservative or not, watch this video. This man lives in Southern California and knows first hand what he is talking about. He is a super example of how smart so many working people are. He will surprise you with his insight, most significantly how nations to the south of us are losing the best and brightest in their population to the US. He is a much more comfortable read than Peterson and is truly indicative of his website, common sense. Watch his other video entitled, why does the left always get it wrong, and you will learn more about this fellows life, like the fact he was a flaming liberal as a young man. He is not an ideologue. Actually, he is extremely refreshing.

I debated starting a new thread with this video, but I felt the same people that read this would enjoy Mr. Blue Collar. I’m always open to advice on this move.

 

[FA_Q2]

It has been awhile, reality keeps interrupting my budding podcasts, but mr Peterson’s star shines just as bright for me as three weeks ago. I have had to travel a lot and these audio books are so convenient. I will say listening to his book I have to take one chapter at a time and let it marinate. There are so many vines coming out of my brain after one chapter that I have to replant them to clear the deck for more thinking. I would not call it a slog but it is heavy reading. I have really enjoyed Peterson’s talks with Joe Rogan on YouTube. Rogan complements the professor and lightens the intellectualism a bit. A couple of sundays ago Peterson was being interviewed on fox and said he and his wife were doing a tour with three hour sessions, I need to check into that. My one complaint is that many of the YouTube videos are not accurately titled.

As luck would have it, I have found another YouTube pearl. For those claiming that Peterson is a pinheaded blowhard, let me introduce you to Blue Collar



Please, whether you are conservative or not, watch this video. This man lives in Southern California and knows first hand what he is talking about. He is a super example of how smart so many working people are. He will surprise you with his insight, most significantly how nations to the south of us are losing the best and brightest in their population to the US. He is a much more comfortable read than Peterson and is truly indicative of his website, common sense. Watch his other video entitled, why does the left always get it wrong, and you will learn more about this fellows life, like the fact he was a flaming liberal as a young man. He is not an ideologue. Actually, he is extremely refreshing.

I debated starting a new thread with this video, but I felt the same people that read this would enjoy Mr. Blue Collar. I’m always open to advice on this move.

You are likely right that the same people will like them both.

This is one of the problems that the left has - a political party must be able to address the simple and straightforward logic and experience of the people on the ground and the democrats have a hard time with this segment of the population. It is an interesting segment but not really all that new or thought provoking.