The Great Worker Shortage Lie is Alive and Well

[get_involved]

"Corporate offshore outsourcing lobbyists are on a roll, going on talk shows and writing propaganda plants as articles. White papers are falling like snow where even labor economics equations are manipulated. Every day we hear pure statistical fiction and politicians tout corporate lobbyist provided talking points, even in GOP debates. Why? Corporations are demanding more immigration and foreign guest worker Visas to displace Americans, repress wages, technology transfer and offshore outsource further.

There is No Labor Shortage in the United States. None, and that includes high skilled labor."


The Great Worker Shortage Lie is Alive and Well | The Economic Populist

 

[Photonic]

If a population has an unemployment rate that is record-able on a census, there is no shortage.

 

[Chris]

Starting next year 10,000 baby boomers a day will turn 65.

At some point in the future we will have a labor shortage.

 

[Photonic]

Starting next year 10,000 baby boomers a day will turn 65.

At some point in the future we will have a labor shortage.

Not that I see. As people who are capable of work will emigrate to the US or come to an age where they can join the work force.

 

[get_involved]

Starting next year 10,000 baby boomers a day will turn 65.

At some point in the future we will have a labor shortage.

Automation is eliminating many jobs along with manufacturing going out of the country.

 

[editec]

There probably are shortages within some job-specific professions.

But the overall employment trend seems to indicate that, if anything, unemployment is going to continue to be a problem.

Between FREE TRADE, increased efficiencies and the downturn in demand worldwide, this is to be expected.

Of course the real solution is to share the work and share the wealth, but the economic system we have doesn't really support such a move.

THAT will take a significant change in thinking about social contract before that happens (if ever!).

 

[get_involved]

There probably are shortages within some job-specific professions.

But the overall employment trend seems to indicate that, if anything, unemployment is going to continue to be a problem.

Between FREE TRADE, increased efficiencies and the downturn in demand worldwide, this is to be expected.

Of course the real solution is to share the work and share the wealth, but the economic system we have doesn't really support such a move.

THAT will take a significant change in thinking about social contract before that happens (if ever!).

Capitalism isn't perfect but it's much better than Socialism.

 

[FA_Q2]

Starting next year 10,000 baby boomers a day will turn 65.

At some point in the future we will have a labor shortage.

There will never be a labor shortage. It is impossible. What would a labor shortage even look like in real terms of problems it would generate. As far as I can tell, the more jobs available with fewer workers to fill the slots the better the pay and overall economy is going to be....

 

[editec]

There probably are shortages within some job-specific professions.

But the overall employment trend seems to indicate that, if anything, unemployment is going to continue to be a problem.

Between FREE TRADE, increased efficiencies and the downturn in demand worldwide, this is to be expected.

Of course the real solution is to share the work and share the wealth, but the economic system we have doesn't really support such a move.

THAT will take a significant change in thinking about social contract before that happens (if ever!).

Capitalism isn't perfect but it's much better than Socialism.

Does that Knee-jerking bother you much there, Get?

Did my post lead you to believe that I'm advocating socialism, lad?

If it does, read it again this time without adding your own insane narrative to it.

I am describing the changes that are stressing our system.

That is not advocating socialism, that is decribing what we are facing,

Capitalism has already faced, and dealt with a similar changing circumstance back when the industrial revolution happened.

The solution to that problem was found by a wide variety of changes to the social contract. It coincidently also truned this nation into the wealthiest nation with the wealthiest people on the face of the earth.

We're about ready for such kinds of changes in that social contract once again.

We're not ready for it politically, of course, we never are.

Those on top of the heap view all change as threatening to them, personally.

Of course what many of them miss (just as you are so obviously missing the point) is the obvious fact that failing to change the way a society works, to accomodate those rapid changes in circumstance, leads to changes that are much MUCH more threatening to the winners of the current system than making the needed changes incrementally.

 

[DaGoose]

Starting next year 10,000 baby boomers a day will turn 65.

At some point in the future we will have a labor shortage.

There will never be a labor shortage. It is impossible. What would a labor shortage even look like in real terms of problems it would generate. As far as I can tell, the more jobs available with fewer workers to fill the slots the better the pay and overall economy is going to be....

Simply put it's the theory of supply and demand. Yes, IMO there will be a bit of a labor shoratge but probably not as bad as some make out. But you're 100% correct that companies will increase their pay and benefits in order to attract workers that will become more scarce. But that could also lead to an inflation issue that could develop as a result of that increased pay and benefits.

A lot of variables have been predicated on the Baby Boomers. That is the biggest reason for the predicted shortages in SS. As the baby boomers die off the ratio of workers to retirees will again be more favorable toward being more self sustaining.

 

[Full-Auto]

"Corporate offshore outsourcing lobbyists are on a roll, going on talk shows and writing propaganda plants as articles. White papers are falling like snow where even labor economics equations are manipulated. Every day we hear pure statistical fiction and politicians tout corporate lobbyist provided talking points, even in GOP debates. Why? Corporations are demanding more immigration and foreign guest worker Visas to displace Americans, repress wages, technology transfer and offshore outsource further.

There is No Labor Shortage in the United States. None, and that includes high skilled labor."


The Great Worker Shortage Lie is Alive and Well | The Economic Populist

LOL, NO shortage of high end labor. Good, I know a place that has 16 communication engineer positions to fill. out of the 20 currently on staff, not a single american.

What shortage LOL

 

[bucs90]

You're right. There is not a "worker" shortage.

There is, however, an "employee" shortage.

People who see themselves and refer to themselves as "workers" are left wing communist morons.

"Employees", on the other hand, are folks who humbly show up to their job, treat it as a career rather than just a source of income, and dont necessarily have personal hatred for their bosses or owners. Employees appreciate their job, no matter what it is, work hard, and hope the company makes profits so they can keep that job.

"Workers" show up and bitch about what they aren't getting, do the bare minimum to keep working, whine about the company gobbling up all the profits that they should be getting, go to OWS protests, and act like spoiled socialist brats.

Yep. There is not a worker shortage. But there is an employee shortage.

 

[Sallow]

Starting next year 10,000 baby boomers a day will turn 65.

At some point in the future we will have a labor shortage.

And that's not what happening. There has been a very blatant strategy on the part of corporate executives to weaken the bargaining power of the labor pool. That's impossible if there was an actual shortage. You wouldn't see huge gulfs in compensation if there were an actual shortage. You wouldn't see the loss of benefits and massive layoffs.

Quite simply..it should be up to the government to curtail or eliminate this practice of off and near shoring. It's as much a threat to our security as terrorism.

 

[Sallow]

You're right. There is not a "worker" shortage.

There is, however, an "employee" shortage.

People who see themselves and refer to themselves as "workers" are left wing communist morons.

"Employees", on the other hand, are folks who humbly show up to their job, treat it as a career rather than just a source of income, and dont necessarily have personal hatred for their bosses or owners. Employees appreciate their job, no matter what it is, work hard, and hope the company makes profits so they can keep that job.

"Workers" show up and bitch about what they aren't getting, do the bare minimum to keep working, whine about the company gobbling up all the profits that they should be getting, go to OWS protests, and act like spoiled socialist brats.

Yep. There is not a worker shortage. But there is an employee shortage.

Bullshit.

The gulf between executive and employee compensation in this country is something like 470:1.

That's theft.

 

[Sallow]

"Corporate offshore outsourcing lobbyists are on a roll, going on talk shows and writing propaganda plants as articles. White papers are falling like snow where even labor economics equations are manipulated. Every day we hear pure statistical fiction and politicians tout corporate lobbyist provided talking points, even in GOP debates. Why? Corporations are demanding more immigration and foreign guest worker Visas to displace Americans, repress wages, technology transfer and offshore outsource further.

There is No Labor Shortage in the United States. None, and that includes high skilled labor."


The Great Worker Shortage Lie is Alive and Well | The Economic Populist

LOL, NO shortage of high end labor. Good, I know a place that has 16 communication engineer positions to fill. out of the 20 currently on staff, not a single american.

What shortage LOL

The CCNA class I just took was chock full of Americans looking for work.

 

[Full-Auto]

"Corporate offshore outsourcing lobbyists are on a roll, going on talk shows and writing propaganda plants as articles. White papers are falling like snow where even labor economics equations are manipulated. Every day we hear pure statistical fiction and politicians tout corporate lobbyist provided talking points, even in GOP debates. Why? Corporations are demanding more immigration and foreign guest worker Visas to displace Americans, repress wages, technology transfer and offshore outsource further.

There is No Labor Shortage in the United States. None, and that includes high skilled labor."


The Great Worker Shortage Lie is Alive and Well | The Economic Populist

LOL, NO shortage of high end labor. Good, I know a place that has 16 communication engineer positions to fill. out of the 20 currently on staff, not a single american.

What shortage LOL

The CCNA class I just took was chock full of Americans looking for work.

Well surprise, have you seen the unemployment rate?

 

[JoeB131]

Starting next year 10,000 baby boomers a day will turn 65.

At some point in the future we will have a labor shortage.

And that's not what happening. There has been a very blatant strategy on the part of corporate executives to weaken the bargaining power of the labor pool. That's impossible if there was an actual shortage. You wouldn't see huge gulfs in compensation if there were an actual shortage. You wouldn't see the loss of benefits and massive layoffs.

Quite simply..it should be up to the government to curtail or eliminate this practice of off and near shoring. It's as much a threat to our security as terrorism.

So why hasn't Obama gotten right on that?

Oh, that's right, because

1) He knows that legal immigrants are more likely to vote Democratic.

2) He's sold out to Wall Street as much as any Republican.

 

[Sallow]

LOL, NO shortage of high end labor. Good, I know a place that has 16 communication engineer positions to fill. out of the 20 currently on staff, not a single american.
What shortage LOL

The CCNA class I just took was chock full of Americans looking for work.

Well surprise, have you seen the unemployment rate?

Well what sort of "communications" are you talking about? You know what CCNA is?

Cisco Certified Network Associate.

 

[Full-Auto]

The CCNA class I just took was chock full of Americans looking for work.

Well surprise, have you seen the unemployment rate?

Well what sort of "communications" are you talking about? You know what CCNA is?

Cisco Certified Network Associate.

Signal testing for all the phone companies, rewriting software etc.

 

[Sallow]

Starting next year 10,000 baby boomers a day will turn 65.

At some point in the future we will have a labor shortage.

And that's not what happening. There has been a very blatant strategy on the part of corporate executives to weaken the bargaining power of the labor pool. That's impossible if there was an actual shortage. You wouldn't see huge gulfs in compensation if there were an actual shortage. You wouldn't see the loss of benefits and massive layoffs.

Quite simply..it should be up to the government to curtail or eliminate this practice of off and near shoring. It's as much a threat to our security as terrorism.

So why hasn't Obama gotten right on that?

Oh, that's right, because

1) He knows that legal immigrants are more likely to vote Democratic.

2) He's sold out to Wall Street as much as any Republican.

You do know that one of the "solutions" conservatives are pushing to stem job losses is to grant a tax holiday to tax deffered overseas profits..again. You know what happened the last time right? They took that money home...and either bought more stock..or again hired overseas. There is no way in heck he's going to get anything through congress that does what's needed to be done.

That would include eliminating Eisenhower's tax breaks on overseas profits, attaching tariffs on many products made overseas and changing the status of an "American" company with more foreign based workers then domestic ones.