The Great John Elway..

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    Russell Wilson's rookie stats are better than any year Elway was in the NFL. I was surprised to find this out about the "legendary" John Elway.

    John Elway StatsRegular Season | Postseason

    Passing Stats
    SEASON TEAM GP CMP ATT CMP% YDS AVG TD LNG INT FUM QBR RAT
    1983 DEN 11 123 259 47.5 1,663 6.42 7 49 14 0 -- 54.9
    1984 DEN 15 214 380 56.3 2,598 6.84 18 73 15 0 -- 76.8
    1985 DEN 16 327 605 54.1 3,891 6.43 22 65 23 0 -- 70.2
    1986 DEN 16 280 504 55.6 3,485 6.92 19 53 13 0 -- 79.0
    1987 DEN 12 224 410 54.6 3,198 7.80 19 72 12 0 -- 83.4
    1988 DEN 15 274 496 55.2 3,309 6.67 17 86 19 0 -- 71.4
    1989 DEN 15 223 416 53.6 3,051 7.33 18 69 18 0 -- 73.7
    1990 DEN 16 294 502 58.6 3,526 7.02 15 66 14 0 -- 78.5
    1991 DEN 16 242 451 53.7 3,253 7.21 13 71 12 9 -- 75.4
    1992 DEN 12 174 316 55.1 2,242 7.10 10 80 17 9 -- 65.7
    1993 DEN 16 348 551 63.2 4,030 7.31 25 63 10 4 -- 92.8
    1994 DEN 14 307 494 62.1 3,490 7.07 16 63 10 8 -- 85.7
    1995 DEN 16 316 542 58.3 3,970 7.33 26 62 14 3 -- 86.4
    1996 DEN 15 287 466 61.6 3,328 7.14 26 51 14 4 -- 89.2
    1997 DEN 16 280 502 55.8 3,635 7.24 27 78 11 4 -- 87.5
    1998 DEN 13 210 356 59.0 2,806 7.88 22 58 10 2 -- 93.0
    Career 234 4,123 7,250 56.9 51,475 7.10 300 86 226 43 - 79.9
    Rushing Stats
    SEASON TEAM GP ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LST
    1983 DEN 11 28 146 5.2 23 1 0 0 0
    1984 DEN 15 56 237 4.2 21 1 0 0 0
    1985 DEN 16 51 253 5.0 22 0 0 0 0
    1986 DEN 16 52 257 4.9 24 1 0 0 0
    1987 DEN 12 66 304 4.6 29 4 0 0 0
    1988 DEN 15 54 234 4.3 26 1 0 0 0
    1989 DEN 15 48 244 5.1 31 3 0 0 0
    1990 DEN 16 50 258 5.2 21 3 0 0 0
    1991 DEN 16 55 255 4.6 17 6 24 0 0
    1992 DEN 12 34 94 2.8 9 2 13 3 1
    1993 DEN 16 44 153 3.5 18 0 11 4 2
    1994 DEN 14 58 235 4.1 22 4 17 3 1
    1995 DEN 16 41 176 4.3 25 1 17 6 3
    1996 DEN 15 50 249 5.0 22 4 19 2 0
    1997 DEN 16 50 218 4.4 23 1 13 7 4
    1998 DEN 13 37 94 2.5 16 1 10 2 0
    Career 234 774 3,407 4.4 31 33 124 27 11
     
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    Taking a one-year snapshot and making a ridiculous claim that a rookie quarterback compares to the BEST QUARTERBACK IN NFL HISTORY?

    I figured out this whole Russell Wilson obsession you have. Two words: MAN CRUSH.
     
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    As a Cal grad, my opinion of Elway is as a whining whiner due to the epic Stanford loss from The Play.

    He's been whinging about for decades.
     
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    Totally. I confess. You happy?

    Now as far as the stats I presented I was in no way demeaning Elway.. even though I hated him when he played.

    I was suggesting that according to Wilsons and Luck's and RG3's rookie year that they are on a track to be the best ever. You have to start somewhere and they are starting ahead of Elway and Manning.
     
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    It is a different game than it was in the 80s. The game was about running the ball back then. There were dozens of great backs. Now, the rules are set up so that you are not allowed to touch a receiver on his route or trash a QB

    You can't compare today's QB stats to 30 years ago
     
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    If Wilson matches Elways career numbers when he's done then you may have a case. I just don't think you can just compare rookie seasons.
     
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    I HATED Elway in the worst way when he played. I am a lifelong Cleveland Browns fan, so you can understand why I hated Elway and the Broncos.

    But, despite my hatred of Elway, I believe that he is the best all-around quarterback to ever play in the NFL. He almost singlehandedly led some pretty crappy all-around teams to a couple of Super Bowls in Denver early in his career, and never had a running game or decent defense until the last few years of his career.

    I was joking about the "man crush" thing. I appreciate your passion for the Seahawks, and wish you good luck in the playoffs. I'm just not a Pete Carroll fan, based on what he did to the USC football program.
     
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    Oh, and I don't think Elway was the greatest QB. That distinction belongs to Joe Montana by far.
     
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    You're absolutely correct. The same thing goes for virtually all other sports where you are trying to compare players or teams or horses or whatever from one era to another.
     
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    I respectfully disagree. Elway had ALL the tools, played for a crappy coach for a long time, and never had a running game, top-shelf receivers, or a good defense behind him.

    Elway had a rocket arm, was very mobile, was physically tougher, and was just as clutch as Montana was, if not more.

    Montana played on GOOD teams, with GOOD running games, GOOD defenses, the west-coast offense that was tailor-made for him, and GREAT head coaches.
     

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