The great depression II

"Excepting 1937-1938, unemployment fell each year of Roosevelt's first two terms [while] the U.S. economy grew at average annual growth rates of 9 percent to 10 percent," writes University of California historian Eric Rauchway.



According to Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke, "Only with the New Deal's rehabilitation of the financial system in 1933-35 did the economy begin its slow emergence from the Great Depression." In fact, even famed conservative economist Milton Friedman admitted that the New Deal's Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. was "the structural change most conducive to monetary stability since ... the Civil War."


1937-1938 FDR had tried to balence the budget because the republicans had whined enough to make him take notice of their "concerns". The economy started to reverse so he went back the the original plan and it worked yet again.


The people are not going to just sit back and watch the republican party wordsmith and lie any more. You guys always have the WRONG plan and its purely for partisan reasons.

Your party is going to die and its will be the best thing to happen to America in many years.

rofl, I'd take anything that Ben Bernanke says with a grain of salt. He's been the worst fed chairman in the history of it's infamous existence. I don't like Republicans or Democrats, so don't label me partisan.

Hoover had intervened by bailing out companies, trying to keep prices up, and otherwise preventing the market from correcting. FDR expanded upon Hoover's failed policies and instituted unconstitutional programs that merely exacerbated and prolonged the Depression. Unemployment fell during FDR's years, yes, as that was a signal that the market wanted to resume economic growth, but it was inhibited by FDR until 1945. Why would it take 9 years for a recovery, if the economy wasn't being inhibited? It's revisionist history to say that FDR helped speed up recovery. I don't call a decade a speedy recovery, sorry.

It's really a shame it's going to take a -second- collapse of our standard of living (along with the dollar, most likely) to learn what we should've learned the first time around-- intervention in the markets are the cause of all suffering.



And you are ignoring the numbers that prove FDR was right.

This negates all the silly bullshit you are spewing so that you can feel like you know something that everyone else is too dense to see.

You are seeing this from your own emotional shortcomings instead of the facts.
 
Reagan also kicked off the biggest debt and the republicans insane path of lies and myth instead of fact.

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The years following all those Presidents have been pretty shitty, no?

Spending is the issue; not taxes.
 
"Excepting 1937-1938, unemployment fell each year of Roosevelt's first two terms [while] the U.S. economy grew at average annual growth rates of 9 percent to 10 percent," writes University of California historian Eric Rauchway.



According to Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke, "Only with the New Deal's rehabilitation of the financial system in 1933-35 did the economy begin its slow emergence from the Great Depression." In fact, even famed conservative economist Milton Friedman admitted that the New Deal's Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. was "the structural change most conducive to monetary stability since ... the Civil War."


1937-1938 FDR had tried to balence the budget because the republicans had whined enough to make him take notice of their "concerns". The economy started to reverse so he went back the the original plan and it worked yet again.


The people are not going to just sit back and watch the republican party wordsmith and lie any more. You guys always have the WRONG plan and its purely for partisan reasons.

Your party is going to die and its will be the best thing to happen to America in many years.

rofl, I'd take anything that Ben Bernanke says with a grain of salt. He's been the worst fed chairman in the history of it's infamous existence. I don't like Republicans or Democrats, so don't label me partisan.

Hoover had intervened by bailing out companies, trying to keep prices up, and otherwise preventing the market from correcting. FDR expanded upon Hoover's failed policies and instituted unconstitutional programs that merely exacerbated and prolonged the Depression. Unemployment fell during FDR's years, yes, as that was a signal that the market wanted to resume economic growth, but it was inhibited by FDR until 1945. Why would it take 9 years for a recovery, if the economy wasn't being inhibited? It's revisionist history to say that FDR helped speed up recovery. I don't call a decade a speedy recovery, sorry.

It's really a shame it's going to take a -second- collapse of our standard of living (along with the dollar, most likely) to learn what we should've learned the first time around-- intervention in the markets are the cause of all suffering.



And you are ignoring the numbers that prove FDR was right.

This negates all the silly bullshit you are spewing so that you can feel like you know something that everyone else is too dense to see.

You are seeing this from your own emotional shortcomings instead of the facts.

You're seeing things through ideological lenses. Read what Rothbard wrote on the Depression:

an excerpt: Hoover's Attack on Laissez-Faire - Murray N. Rothbard - Mises Institute

Numbers prove that the economy was recovering until 1936, agreed. But I fail to see the correlation between that and FDR's policies. Logic tells me that if FDR's policies were the reason for recovery, it wouldn't have taken 9 years for recovery to happen. So the conclusion that can be reached is that FDR's policies impeded recovery, as it was trying hard to happen, and had seen some light in a reduction of unemployment during the years, but was ultimately blocked by FDR until 1945.

I thought the new revisionist history was to say that the New Deal wasn't big enough, and that's why it took 9 years? Only WWII was large enough to pull our economy out of depression? When revisionists agree on how history transpired, let me know.
 
You are wrong.

If you make 100,000 a year and spend 80.000 a year you are fine.

If you make 100.000 a year and spend 200.000 ad year you are not fine.
 
rofl, I'd take anything that Ben Bernanke says with a grain of salt. He's been the worst fed chairman in the history of it's infamous existence. I don't like Republicans or Democrats, so don't label me partisan.

Hoover had intervened by bailing out companies, trying to keep prices up, and otherwise preventing the market from correcting. FDR expanded upon Hoover's failed policies and instituted unconstitutional programs that merely exacerbated and prolonged the Depression. Unemployment fell during FDR's years, yes, as that was a signal that the market wanted to resume economic growth, but it was inhibited by FDR until 1945. Why would it take 9 years for a recovery, if the economy wasn't being inhibited? It's revisionist history to say that FDR helped speed up recovery. I don't call a decade a speedy recovery, sorry.

It's really a shame it's going to take a -second- collapse of our standard of living (along with the dollar, most likely) to learn what we should've learned the first time around-- intervention in the markets are the cause of all suffering.



And you are ignoring the numbers that prove FDR was right.

This negates all the silly bullshit you are spewing so that you can feel like you know something that everyone else is too dense to see.

You are seeing this from your own emotional shortcomings instead of the facts.

You're seeing things through ideological lenses. Read what Rothbard wrote on the Depression:

an excerpt: Hoover's Attack on Laissez-Faire - Murray N. Rothbard - Mises Institute

Numbers prove that the economy was recovering until 1936, agreed. But I fail to see the correlation between that and FDR's policies. Logic tells me that if FDR's policies were the reason for recovery, it wouldn't have taken 9 years for recovery to happen. So the conclusion that can be reached is that FDR's policies impeded recovery, as it was trying hard to happen, and had seen some light in a reduction of unemployment during the years, but was ultimately blocked by FDR until 1945.

I thought the new revisionist history was to say that the New Deal wasn't big enough, and that's why it took 9 years? Only WWII was large enough to pull our economy out of depression? When revisionists agree on how history transpired, let me know.




MISES!!!!!!


when will you guys learn that they are partisan hacks?
 
rofl, I'd take anything that Ben Bernanke says with a grain of salt. He's been the worst fed chairman in the history of it's infamous existence. I don't like Republicans or Democrats, so don't label me partisan.

First, Bernanke is considered to be the foremost academic in the world regarding the Great Depression. Second, to say that he is the worst Fed chairman is silly because he hasn't even yet finished is first term and we will not know the effects of his policies for years. So to judge him now isn't serious.

Hoover had intervened by bailing out companies, trying to keep prices up, and otherwise preventing the market from correcting. FDR expanded upon Hoover's failed policies and instituted unconstitutional programs that merely exacerbated and prolonged the Depression. Unemployment fell during FDR's years, yes, as that was a signal that the market wanted to resume economic growth, but it was inhibited by FDR until 1945.

In 1937, FDR balanced the budget, hiking taxes and slashing spending, which lead to the 1937-38 recession.

Its also not serious to label Hoover as an interventionist. This is convenient revisionism for those promoting an ideological agenda. The budget deficit was 0.7% in 1931, the highest level up until that time. Under Bush II, it never got under 1%, and that was during an economic expansion. The deficit hit 4% - the same level it hit under Bush - in 1932.

It's really a shame it's going to take a -second- collapse of our standard of living (along with the dollar, most likely) to learn what we should've learned the first time around-- intervention in the markets are the cause of all suffering.

You are correct if you are referring to the policies of the Fed. However, the market contributed enormously to this collapse, given that Wall Street and the major banks took on huge amounts of debt, all on their own volition, to drive up returns and their compensation. This is a financial collapse of which the primary enabler was the Greenspan Fed, exacerbated by a deregulated financial system which allowed excessive leverage and almost non-existent lending standards.
 
"Excepting 1937-1938, unemployment fell each year of Roosevelt's first two terms [while] the U.S. economy grew at average annual growth rates of 9 percent to 10 percent," writes University of California historian Eric Rauchway.



According to Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke, "Only with the New Deal's rehabilitation of the financial system in 1933-35 did the economy begin its slow emergence from the Great Depression." In fact, even famed conservative economist Milton Friedman admitted that the New Deal's Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. was "the structural change most conducive to monetary stability since ... the Civil War."


1937-1938 FDR had tried to balence the budget because the republicans had whined enough to make him take notice of their "concerns". The economy started to reverse so he went back the the original plan and it worked yet again.


The people are not going to just sit back and watch the republican party wordsmith and lie any more. You guys always have the WRONG plan and its purely for partisan reasons.

Your party is going to die and its will be the best thing to happen to America in many years.

Saying that the Republican Party is going to die is as stupid as when Republicans said the Democratic Party was finished. Anyone who believes either is an absolute loon. Government is a tool of the people. When times are tougher and the middle class is being stripped of their minute wealth, they turn to more liberal policies that redistibute wealth in their favor. Once they have reached a point of well being, they then turn toward more fiscal responsiblitiy as they then want to keep more of their earnings. This is why there is a constant ebb and flow back and forth between more liberal control of government and more conservative control.

This has nothing to do with what is best for the country; only what is best for the middle class at any given time. When the economy is strong, the majority favor more fiscal constraint; when it is bad, they look for more government intervention. And no matter what, if things get really bad, people just vote against those in power, regardless of which party it may be.
 
Conservative Fiction: The New Deal Sucked! | OurFuture.org


Parties do die my friend and if your party keeps doing nothing but lying to the American people they will die.


What do all three of these conservative attacks have in common?

They all base their claims on last year's book, "The Forgotten Man: A New History of the Great Depression," written by Amity Shlaes a former member of the conservative Wall Street Journal editorial board, and found to have used misleading numbers.
 
Reagan also kicked off the biggest debt and the republicans insane path of lies and myth instead of fact.

Actually, the Democrats did this as they were in control of Congress during Reagan's tenure. Reagan tried to reign in spending but had to give in to much of the spending in order to get the tax cuts he wanted. In the end, the deficit spending wasn't that bad as a percentage of GDP, and the economy began to grow. Reagan's tax cuts were the precursor to the roaring economy of the 90's. Without them, it is unlikely the 90's would have brought so much wealth to Americans. That being said, much of the slowdown this past decade is a correction to the inflated wealth that was created during the 90's regardless of the reason for the buildup in wealth.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amity_Shlaes

In July 2008, Shlaes wrote a column defending Senator Phil Gramm's comment that Americans were "whiners" with respect to the economy. Shlaes endorsed Gramms's argument that the United States was not in a true recession, saying that at the time, the US GDP had not shrunk during two consecutive quarters, which is commonly thought to be the technical definition of a recession, an argument which has since been undermined by the the National Bureau of Economic Research decision to declare that a US recession began in December of 2007.
 
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We've got a new President barely into his first term and you're all blaming him for the mess he inherited? We had EIGHT YEARS of Bushco preceded by EIGHT YEARS of Clinton.

Who's the history professor here? Let's bring this mess into some perspective. What we don't seem to 'get' in America is long term financial planning.
 
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rofl, I'd take anything that Ben Bernanke says with a grain of salt. He's been the worst fed chairman in the history of it's infamous existence. I don't like Republicans or Democrats, so don't label me partisan.

First, Bernanke is considered to be the foremost academic in the world regarding the Great Depression. Second, to say that he is the worst Fed chairman is silly because he hasn't even yet finished is first term and we will not know the effects of his policies for years. So to judge him now isn't serious.

If that is true, then we are screwed. I am not judging him based solely on his actions, but rather his insistence that he is the foremost academic regarding the Great Depression, and yet, simply how his actions align more of that with a chicken with its head cut off rather than an academic. He'd be better off reading books, like Rothbard's, than trying to bailout anything more with this economy. Not only that, he's embraced Obama's policies with both arms. It's unsettling that a President has that much control over the fate of our economic future.

Hoover had intervened by bailing out companies, trying to keep prices up, and otherwise preventing the market from correcting. FDR expanded upon Hoover's failed policies and instituted unconstitutional programs that merely exacerbated and prolonged the Depression. Unemployment fell during FDR's years, yes, as that was a signal that the market wanted to resume economic growth, but it was inhibited by FDR until 1945.

In 1937, FDR balanced the budget, hiking taxes and slashing spending, which lead to the 1937-38 recession.

Its also not serious to label Hoover as an interventionist. This is convenient revisionism for those promoting an ideological agenda. The budget deficit was 0.7% in 1931, the highest level up until that time. Under Bush II, it never got under 1%, and that was during an economic expansion. The deficit hit 4% - the same level it hit under Bush - in 1932.

Hoover was interventionist in the fact that he hadn't allowed the market to correct. He plowed food crops under trying to keep it's farm prices abnormally high in a deflationary period. He instituted many other wage and price controls. True, he didn't attempt to create jobs from Washington as FDR did, but he was the most interventionist President the U.S. had seen up to that point.

It's really a shame it's going to take a -second- collapse of our standard of living (along with the dollar, most likely) to learn what we should've learned the first time around-- intervention in the markets are the cause of all suffering.

You are correct if you are referring to the policies of the Fed. However, the market contributed enormously to this collapse, given that Wall Street and the major banks took on huge amounts of debt, all on their own volition, to drive up returns and their compensation. This is a financial collapse of which the primary enabler was the Greenspan Fed, exacerbated by a deregulated financial system which allowed excessive leverage and almost non-existent lending standards.

If you spike a kid's drink with alcohol, he's going to act irresponsible. If you give bankers free money, and promise to bail them out when it's done with, they're going to act irresponsible. I do agree that any leveraging shouldn't be allowed, and that's one regulation I'd definitely agree with-- full reserve ratio, whether an investment bank or not.
 
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Having debt is better than dying.

What you suggest we do is certain death for the US
 
Conservative Fiction: The New Deal Sucked! | OurFuture.org


Parties do die my friend and if your party keeps doing nothing but lying to the American people they will die.


What do all three of these conservative attacks have in common?

They all base their claims on last year's book, "The Forgotten Man: A New History of the Great Depression," written by Amity Shlaes a former member of the conservative Wall Street Journal editorial board, and found to have used misleading numbers.

Ah, now I get it. Everyone in America is going to embrace socialistic policies that continue to increase the size of government and everything will be wonderful as we will never face another economic downturn again. The Dems have all the solutions, so there obviously will be no need for an alternative. Are you really that dumb?
 
Having debt is better than dying.

What you suggest we do is certain death for the US

OH MY GAWWWWD!!!!!!

cutting government spending will mean the death of the united states.

AAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!

people keeping more of their own money will be the death of the United States


HEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLPPPPPPP MMMMMEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Please take ALL my money

I DON"T WANNA DIEEEEEEEE!!!!!!
 

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