The Government Is Out Of Control.

[Skull Pilot]

just one more way the government wants to run your life.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/18/opinion/18kristof.html?ref=opinion

Mr. Paterson suggested the tax — an 18 percent sales tax on soft drinks and other nondiet sugary beverages — to help raise $400 million a year to plug a hole in the state budget. But it’s also a landmark effort that, if other states follow, could help make us healthier.

Is this the country our ancestors believed was the hope to all. the country that allowed people to be free and to live lives defined by liberty?

We have an unprecedented trend in this country of the government interfering in the private lives of its citizens.

We have the government and political parties wanting to legislate what we eat, drink, smoke, wear, drive, who we can marry, how much we can earn.

At what point does the government add the straw that breaks the citizens' backs?

When do we as Americans in the land of the "free" say enough?

Or do you all want to live in a country where the government controls every aspect of your life, where all free choice is taken from you, where you become so fucking mindless that you can't think for yourselves?

 

[Lycurgus]

just one more way the government wants to run your life.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/18/opinion/18kristof.html?ref=opinion

Mr. Paterson suggested the tax — an 18 percent sales tax on soft drinks and other nondiet sugary beverages — to help raise $400 million a year to plug a hole in the state budget. But it’s also a landmark effort that, if other states follow, could help make us healthier.

Is this the country our ancestors believed was the hope to all. the country that allowed people to be free and to live lives defined by liberty?

We have an unprecedented trend in this country of the government interfering in the private lives of its citizens.

We have the government and political parties wanting to legislate what we eat, drink, smoke, wear, drive, who we can marry, how much we can earn.

At what point does the government add the straw that breaks the citizens' backs?

When do we as Americans in the land of the "free" say enough?

Or do you all want to live in a country where the government controls every aspect of your life, where all free choice is taken from you, where you become so fucking mindless that you can't think for yourselves?

Very valid concerns. Once we get started down that path, it will be hard to stop. People let themselves get too busy, not concerning themselves with national or even many local issues, until it's too late.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Very valid concerns. Once we get started down that path, it will be hard to stop. People let themselves get too busy, not concerning themselves with national or even many local issues, until it's too late.

i was just thinking. this could be a great business opportunity.

I remember as a kid, my Grandpa would make root beer. He taught me how and the stuff was delicious. Way better than anything you could buy at a store. In fact I still make a few gallons a year especially around 4th of July. nothing like a root beer float on a hot day. Cheers Gramps!

Now all i have to do is develop a home soda making kit. it wouldn't be subject to the soda tax because it's nothing more than a kit to make soda.

Hmmm let me think about this.

 

[editec]

Editec's Law on the Relationship between Oppressive Governance and Population​

where: P = population; and L = laws​

P(x) = L(x)squared
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[Skull Pilot]

Editec's Law on the Relationship between Oppressive Governance and Population​

where: P = population; and L = laws​

P(x) = L(x)squared
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that's nobel prize winning stuff Ed

 

[NOBama]

i was just thinking. this could be a great business opportunity.

I remember as a kid, my Grandpa would make root beer. He taught me how and the stuff was delicious. Way better than anything you could buy at a store. In fact I still make a few gallons a year especially around 4th of July. nothing like a root beer float on a hot day. Cheers Gramps!

Now all i have to do is develop a home soda making kit. it wouldn't be subject to the soda tax because it's nothing more than a kit to make soda.

Hmmm let me think about this.

When these suckers hand us Lemons, make Lemonade - or get squeezed.

Some people just don't get it though...

 

[Xenophon]

We won't tax his way out of that foolish NY budget.

The state can't afford all the money it spends, it just isn't there.

 

[Againsheila]

just one more way the government wants to run your life.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/18/opinion/18kristof.html?ref=opinion

Mr. Paterson suggested the tax — an 18 percent sales tax on soft drinks and other nondiet sugary beverages — to help raise $400 million a year to plug a hole in the state budget. But it’s also a landmark effort that, if other states follow, could help make us healthier.

Is this the country our ancestors believed was the hope to all. the country that allowed people to be free and to live lives defined by liberty?

We have an unprecedented trend in this country of the government interfering in the private lives of its citizens.

We have the government and political parties wanting to legislate what we eat, drink, smoke, wear, drive, who we can marry, how much we can earn.

At what point does the government add the straw that breaks the citizens' backs?

When do we as Americans in the land of the "free" say enough?

Or do you all want to live in a country where the government controls every aspect of your life, where all free choice is taken from you, where you become so fucking mindless that you can't think for yourselves?

You don't have to have soda pop to live. I'd rather have a tax on pop than on our utilities, which we have taxed to the hilt.

 

[Againsheila]

i was just thinking. this could be a great business opportunity.

I remember as a kid, my Grandpa would make root beer. He taught me how and the stuff was delicious. Way better than anything you could buy at a store. In fact I still make a few gallons a year especially around 4th of July. nothing like a root beer float on a hot day. Cheers Gramps!

Now all i have to do is develop a home soda making kit. it wouldn't be subject to the soda tax because it's nothing more than a kit to make soda.

Hmmm let me think about this.

Send some to me...I love rootbeer.

 

[KittenKoder]

just one more way the government wants to run your life.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/18/opinion/18kristof.html?ref=opinion

Mr. Paterson suggested the tax — an 18 percent sales tax on soft drinks and other nondiet sugary beverages — to help raise $400 million a year to plug a hole in the state budget. But it’s also a landmark effort that, if other states follow, could help make us healthier.

Is this the country our ancestors believed was the hope to all. the country that allowed people to be free and to live lives defined by liberty?

We have an unprecedented trend in this country of the government interfering in the private lives of its citizens.

We have the government and political parties wanting to legislate what we eat, drink, smoke, wear, drive, who we can marry, how much we can earn.

At what point does the government add the straw that breaks the citizens' backs?

When do we as Americans in the land of the "free" say enough?

Or do you all want to live in a country where the government controls every aspect of your life, where all free choice is taken from you, where you become so fucking mindless that you can't think for yourselves?

Doesn't surprise me one bit, still makes me angry, but those of us defending the rights of gay marriage, smoking, even gun-nuts are often scoffed at by those who want one right banned or another, but they only care when it's a right they enjoy themselves. Hell, I don't drink alcohol but would even defend that right just because of this. It won't end, it's already begun, and it will only get worse.

 

[editec]

Expect the interference in your lives to only get worse, assuming the nation doesn't collapse entirely.

Why?

Health care will evolve into something more socialistic than it is now.

Hence, the government will assume the position that since the mantanance of your body is at their expense, they have the RIGHT to tell you how to take care of it.

And, for those of you whose instincts are to eshew government at every turn, the above is the strongest argument imaginable for becoming a rabid libertarian, too.

Sadly, as long as our population continues to grow, and as it becomes increasingly easier for individuals to kill en mass, AND as society becomes increasingly more interdependent, I see no fundamental argument against increasingly authoritarian governments.

Now, contrary to what many of you assume, the greatest advocates of ever increasing control over a population is never with the socialists, but instead (at least in America) the strongest proponents of ever greater control over the people and their lives will ALWAYS come from those who have the most to lose if the government fails.

And who has the MOST to lose if the government fails?

The wealthy which control that government, who else?

That is why, for example, Bush II is advocating for the Bank bail out AND saving the big three auto makers.

He, and all those who this society treats so lavishly do not want to the system to collapse since it serves THEM admirably.

Lurking inside every presumed "socialist" pining for social justice is a libertarian, folks.

The primary difference between those of us who are anti-authoritarian socialists, and those of you who think of yourselves as anti-authoritarian liberterians, is simply that the socialists already KNOW that the system is bend against us, while most libertarians are still doing okay with the system as it stands today.

Basically, if you are working class, and that means if you are making a living from working, and it doesn't really matter if you own your own business, your interests are really aligned with those of the socialists.

Many of you do not realize that, just like most socialists don't realize that their interests and those of the libertarians are not nearly so far apart as they imagine them to be.