The GOP Walked Out Over This??

[auditor0007]

I am a fiscal conservative who feels that Boehner and the Elders have not stood their ground on demanding real cuts and a balanced budget where the new Republicans take their job more seriously and want to represent their constituency as they voted them in...to make a difference for the country.

That being said, I see problems with not taxing the rich more but allowing them still to hire, enough to cure our unemploymnent problem.

We have to remember when our soldiers come home, there will be more leaving the service and looking for jobs that just won't be there. We can't wear Dem or Rep blinders any longer. We have to look all around us.

Keep watching Greece. Our future lies there if we aren't careful. We have to work together. Let's forget the party labels.

The only way that we are similar to Greece is that we have wracked up more debt than we should have. The big difference is that our deficit is easily fixable if both parties would commit to some compromises. Taxes are at the lowest levels in sixty years, yet the Republicans insist on no tax increases and even continue to push for more tax cuts. The idiocy of that is what made me leave the Republican Party. On the other side, there isn't enough real interest to make the significant cuts necessary. And the truth is that the cuts need to be made in Medicare and SS whether anyone likes it or not, because those are the programs that are going to destroy us in the long run if we do nothing.

Spending is currently about 25 to 26 percent of GDP. It needs to be reduced to 20 percent, with a long term goal of 22 or 23 percent, including the funding of Medicare and SS. Revenue is currently sitting at 14 to 15 percent of GDP. The solution is simple; raise taxes so revenue gets back to 18 to 20 percent of GDP, and reduce spending so it gets back down to 20 percent of GDP. If we can run a yearly budget with deficits no greater than one percent of GDP, then future growth will reduce the deficit as a percentage of GDP over time. That is where we are much different from Greece. The US is still growing, not just economically, but in population which is the biggest driving force behind the growth of GDP.

We better figure this out now, because at some point we will no longer be able to count of population growth to grow ourselves out of these messes. That is the problem with Greece.

 

[Steelplate]

Would you rather see Boeing in South Carolina or South China? Which?

How about just banning the practice of slave labor over American Jobs? nahhh... we couldn't do that...

 

[DontBeStupid]

when you hate on corporations and punish them it does nothing to affect persons or people. it only harms kittens.. we got it..

1) I don't hate corporations. There is nothing in my writing that would suggest that. Stop grasping at straws.
2) Taxing a corp more is NOT punishment.
3) I never said it didn't affect people. But are you honestly trying to tell us a corp has all the same rights as you? Honestly, because I would love to see you write that.

 

[Steelplate]

when you hate on corporations and punish them it does nothing to affect persons or people. it only harms kittens.. we got it..

1) I don't hate corporations. There is nothing in my writing that would suggest that. Stop grasping at straws.
2) Taxing a corp more is NOT punishment.
3) I never said it didn't affect people. But are you honestly trying to tell us a corp has all the same rights as you? Honestly, because I would love to see you write that.

Don't Be Stupid...

Don't you know... that asking for a Corporation to pay it's fair share when they are raking in record profits and the rest of the country is suffering IS Punishment in their eyes?

 

[Dr.House]

Meaningless numbers are meaningless.

If I make $100K a year and am taxed 20% and you make $10K a year and are taxed 50%, I pay $20,000 and you pay $5,000 for a total of $25,000 in a total taxes. But, oh my God! I pay 80% of the tax burden!! Clearly I need a tax cut! I am over taxed!!

5,000 is a fucking lot to someone who makes 10K...

Hey, the guy making $10K could pay 25% tax then. It actually makes my example even more glaring as he would pay $2,500 and the other guy's burden would be 89%. In that case, would you still think the $100K guy needs a tax cut?

We've already been down this path, stupid...

You just want wealth redistribution like a good little socialist...

Man, you're stupid....

 

[driveby]

I am the middle class and i don't want a tax increase, i want Washington fat cats to tighten their belts and cut spending.

How about the fat cats in the corporate and banking world? I guess you are OK with them outsourcing jobs for as little as $.28/hour, I guess you are Ok with them hoarding Trillions of dollars in Tax Haven Countries.

You're right, i think Barney Frank and Nancy Pelosi should stop doing that shit right away, but don't hold your breath spanky.......

 

[driveby]

Would you rather see Boeing in South Carolina or South China? Which?

How about just banning the practice of slave labor over American Jobs? nahhh... we couldn't do that...

Slave labor to a union indoctrinated clown like you means pushing a broom for less than $30.00 an hour with only five weeks vacation instead of six and only $5000.00 a month in pension when you retire after 15 years. Oh the horror !

 

[Steelplate]

I am the middle class and i don't want a tax increase, i want Washington fat cats to tighten their belts and cut spending.

How about the fat cats in the corporate and banking world? I guess you are OK with them outsourcing jobs for as little as $.28/hour, I guess you are Ok with them hoarding Trillions of dollars in Tax Haven Countries.

You're right, i think Barney Frank and Nancy Pelosi should stop doing that shit right away, but don't hold your breath spanky.......

Yeah... throw out names... go ahead.. I don't give a shit. You know you're wrong... You're just too much of a pussy to admit it.

 

[WillowTree]

Would you rather see Boeing in South Carolina or South China? Which?

How about just banning the practice of slave labor over American Jobs? nahhh... we couldn't do that...

whatever the fuck that means.

 

[driveby]

Would you rather see Boeing in South Carolina or South China? Which?

How about just banning the practice of slave labor over American Jobs? nahhh... we couldn't do that...

whatever the fuck that means.

see post 67 .....

 

[WillowTree]

How about just banning the practice of slave labor over American Jobs? nahhh... we couldn't do that...

whatever the fuck that means.

see post 67 .....

 

[driveby]

How about the fat cats in the corporate and banking world? I guess you are OK with them outsourcing jobs for as little as $.28/hour, I guess you are Ok with them hoarding Trillions of dollars in Tax Haven Countries.

You're right, i think Barney Frank and Nancy Pelosi should stop doing that shit right away, but don't hold your breath spanky.......

Yeah... throw out names... go ahead.. I don't give a shit. You know you're wrong... You're just too much of a pussy to admit it.

The pussies you vote for are keeping it that way, zipperhead.......

 

[mudwhistle]

Wonkbook: The debt-ceiling deal so far - Ezra Klein - The Washington Post

A bit more information has trickled out over the last few days detailing the exact state of the budget negotiations when they collapsed. Both sides, as they often said, were shooting for about $2.4 trillion in deficit reduction over 10 years. They'd already agreed on around $1 trillion in spending cuts and were making good progress on the rest of it. But Democrats insisted that $400 billion -- so, 17 percent -- of the package be tax increases. And that's when Republicans walked.

Specifically, the Obama administration was looking at a rule that lets businesses value their inventory at less than they bought it for in order to lower their tax burden, a loophole that lets hedge-fund managers count their income as capital gains and pay a 15 percent marginal tax rate, the tax treatment of private jets, oil and gas subsidies, and a limit on itemized deductions for the wealthy.

It's almost not worth going into the details on those particular tax changes because the Republican position has held that the details don't matter: well-designed tax increases won't be looked at any more favorably than poorly designed tax increases. The point, Republicans say, is that there can't be any tax increases, full stop.

Is there any doubt now where the loyalties of the GOP lie?

A $400 billion tax increase is huge. It's gonna hit everyone.

I remember the Dems got a $400 billion tax increase on a straight party vote with Al Gore casting the deciding vote back in 93'.

This led to the Dems losing Congress in 94' because of the heavy burden it put on taxpayers. I guess you folks will never learn from history.

 

[Steelplate]

Would you rather see Boeing in South Carolina or South China? Which?

How about just banning the practice of slave labor over American Jobs? nahhh... we couldn't do that...

whatever the fuck that means.

Let me spell it out for you..... China... $1/hour... Mexico... $1.25... in fact.. there is a new proposal on the HOUSE FLOOR with a Free Trade agreement with South Korea in which S. Korea will hire N.Korean workers for $.28/hour for our Corporations. So now our corporations aren't just supporting COMMUNIST CHINA... but now they are supporting the tyranny of North Korea by Proxy.

What does that mean? That means that even MORE of our jobs are going to go "over there" and more of US will be screwed. These are the asshats that YOU want to win...


EDIT: Directly from the Free Trade Agreement .pdf file:

! Kaesong Industrial Complex, one year after the KORUS FTA
enters into force, a binational committee would be formed to study
the possibility of eventually including products from “Outward
Processing Zones” using North Korean labor sometime in th

 

[DontBeStupid]

We've already been down this path, stupid...

You just want wealth redistribution like a good little socialist...

Man, you're stupid....

Well, I said nothing here about transferring any wealth, but hey, if you want to read in to that, go for it.

After all, you just want to give tax cuts to people already paying a lower percentage, so what do you care.

 

[driveby]

How about just banning the practice of slave labor over American Jobs? nahhh... we couldn't do that...

whatever the fuck that means.

Let me spell it out for you..... China... $1/hour... Mexico... $1.25... in fact.. there is a new proposal on the HOUSE FLOOR with a Free Trade agreement with South Korea in which S. Korea will hire N.Korean workers for $.28/hour for our Corporations. So now our corporations aren't just supporting COMMUNIST CHINA... but now they are supporting the tyranny of North Korea by Proxy.

What does that mean? That means that even MORE of our jobs are going to go "over there" and more of US will be screwed. These are the asshats that YOU want to win...

This will get unanimous support from the democrats......

 

[Steelplate]

whatever the fuck that means.

Let me spell it out for you..... China... $1/hour... Mexico... $1.25... in fact.. there is a new proposal on the HOUSE FLOOR with a Free Trade agreement with South Korea in which S. Korea will hire N.Korean workers for $.28/hour for our Corporations. So now our corporations aren't just supporting COMMUNIST CHINA... but now they are supporting the tyranny of North Korea by Proxy.

What does that mean? That means that even MORE of our jobs are going to go "over there" and more of US will be screwed. These are the asshats that YOU want to win...

This will get unanimous support from the democrats......

Baaaaahhh.

 

[DontBeStupid]

A $400 billion tax increase is huge. It's gonna hit everyone.

Specifically, the Obama administration was looking at a rule that lets businesses value their inventory at less than they bought it for in order to lower their tax burden, a loophole that lets hedge-fund managers count their income as capital gains and pay a 15 percent marginal tax rate, the tax treatment of private jets, oil and gas subsidies, and a limit on itemized deductions for the wealthy.

Yeah, cause "everyone" is a hedge-fund manager with a private jet.

 

[Robert]

Wonkbook: The debt-ceiling deal so far - Ezra Klein - The Washington Post

A bit more information has trickled out over the last few days detailing the exact state of the budget negotiations when they collapsed. Both sides, as they often said, were shooting for about $2.4 trillion in deficit reduction over 10 years. They'd already agreed on around $1 trillion in spending cuts and were making good progress on the rest of it. But Democrats insisted that $400 billion -- so, 17 percent -- of the package be tax increases. And that's when Republicans walked.

Specifically, the Obama administration was looking at a rule that lets businesses value their inventory at less than they bought it for in order to lower their tax burden, a loophole that lets hedge-fund managers count their income as capital gains and pay a 15 percent marginal tax rate, the tax treatment of private jets, oil and gas subsidies, and a limit on itemized deductions for the wealthy.

It's almost not worth going into the details on those particular tax changes because the Republican position has held that the details don't matter: well-designed tax increases won't be looked at any more favorably than poorly designed tax increases. The point, Republicans say, is that there can't be any tax increases, full stop.

Is there any doubt now where the loyalties of the GOP lie?

No new taxes without massive spending cut's means just that...which part of that is that you don't understand? We don't have a tax problem we have a spending problem. What part of that so utterly confuses the left?

 

[Robert]

How about just banning the practice of slave labor over American Jobs? nahhh... we couldn't do that...

whatever the fuck that means.

Let me spell it out for you..... China... $1/hour... Mexico... $1.25... in fact.. there is a new proposal on the HOUSE FLOOR with a Free Trade agreement with South Korea in which S. Korea will hire N.Korean workers for $.28/hour for our Corporations. So now our corporations aren't just supporting COMMUNIST CHINA... but now they are supporting the tyranny of North Korea by Proxy.

What does that mean? That means that even MORE of our jobs are going to go "over there" and more of US will be screwed. These are the asshats that YOU want to win...


EDIT: Directly from the Free Trade Agreement .pdf file:

! Kaesong Industrial Complex, one year after the KORUS FTA
enters into force, a binational committee would be formed to study
the possibility of eventually including products from “Outward
Processing Zones” using North Korean labor sometime in th

Since when did the left suddenly become Isolationists? Wasn't it the Left in the first place that demand we become a "Service Orientated" Model....ya so how's those McDonald's job's working out for you all.