The GOP may create a health crisis in Hospitals when they repeal the ACA

[Penelope]

There are people that do not get health insurance, would rather pay the fine or are not caught yet, but they own a home and have assets,

I say that hospitals should start foreclosures on their assets, home, etc and seize their bank accounts, to pay for their stay and care in hospitals.

I feel very strongly about this.

If they actually have assets. My Dad took his car to a mechanic and the mechanic ruined the engine in his car. Dad went to a lawyer to sue the mechanic. The lawyer said Dad couldn't sue because the mechanic was not even worth $2500.00. He owed for everything he had. Dad had to buy a rebuilt engine and have it installed himself. An awful lot of those folks in the ER own absolutely nothing.

Sad story about your Dad.

That is true, but I meant for those who are skating by without insurance and can afford it.

 

[flacaltenn]

You know what IS causing a hospital crisis in Tenn right NOW ???????? ObamaCare. BlueCross which had 80% of the pool -- just skidaddled. Out of it. The 2 companies left are taking advantage of the survivors. Picking them off like ants. So 3 out of 6 major hospitals in Nashville are NOT on the preferred provider list for the 2 companies. I called the one hospital I LIKE that is not on either provider list.. Asked the director of patient insurance how they were gonna get paid next year.

It was a "Hell if I know" type of answer.. That's IMMINENT disaster. Folks may start dying in the streets type of disaster. Hospitals may be laying folks off or closing..

TN did not expand Medicaid. That is part of the problem. Fought it and messed up. Listening to the Republicans during their debates and then Trump, I'd probably leave the state as well. That is why the ACA is not working as plan , the states that refused to expand Medicaid and BCBS is in every state. The Pubs have no plan, and they hate that Pres. Obama got one and passed it.

I agree that the ENTIRE "uninsured" problem could have been addressed that way. But THAT has nothing to do with the IMMEDIATE crisis in Tenn. The 2 companies left in the pool have jacked rates (for me) by 70% and gone to "skinny network" plans that leave about 1/2 of health care providers in Tenn OUTSIDE the networks. Those 2 companies will NOT EVEN NEGOTIATE with providers not already in their networks.

It's a total cluster fuck NOW.. You want a crisis.. You've got it...

Who do you claim wanted a crisis?

Take a peek at Covered CA Linked Below

Covered California: Plans from the California Health Exchange
gclid=cjwkeaiag5_cbrdo4o6e4o3ntg0sjab-iatymqp3qtkn9wx53jq-gqvfynwqaov2glj3v2j90rububocrkrw_wcb

Thank you Gov. Brown

All I really see there is ONE company BlueCrossBlueShield operating under 2 different names. And a LOCAL HMO choice thru Kaiser. No price info, no network info.. If that is how YOU determine the health of a govt insurance pool --- you're not paying close attention to the details. Spring ahead to when BCBS does not get the full promised subsidy payments from the Feds and tell me what happens to that "blissful" situation..

The point made was CA worked within the system, and your state did not.

My wife and I have Kaiser Sr. Advantage for which we pay $89.23/mo (subsidize by the county and medicare); $10 for a an appt. with my primary care dr (but one free every year for an annual physical; $10 for major surgery; $10 for each Rx and free flu and other shots which are determined to be preventative.

Thus, I have no need to look into the details of Covered CA. Here it works, and that is because the CA Governor did not make Obamacare a political football.

There is very little state politics in Obamacare. Other than the STATES deciding on whether to create an exchange. The Feds took it upon themselves to create a NATIONAL exchange. In hindsight, states that opted for their OWN exchanges wasted billions. YEAH !!! Team !!!!

 

[flacaltenn]

You know what IS causing a hospital crisis in Tenn right NOW ???????? ObamaCare. BlueCross which had 80% of the pool -- just skidaddled. Out of it. The 2 companies left are taking advantage of the survivors. Picking them off like ants. So 3 out of 6 major hospitals in Nashville are NOT on the preferred provider list for the 2 companies. I called the one hospital I LIKE that is not on either provider list.. Asked the director of patient insurance how they were gonna get paid next year.

It was a "Hell if I know" type of answer.. That's IMMINENT disaster. Folks may start dying in the streets type of disaster. Hospitals may be laying folks off or closing..

TN did not expand Medicaid. That is part of the problem. Fought it and messed up. Listening to the Republicans during their debates and then Trump, I'd probably leave the state as well. That is why the ACA is not working as plan , the states that refused to expand Medicaid and BCBS is in every state. The Pubs have no plan, and they hate that Pres. Obama got one and passed it.

I agree that the ENTIRE "uninsured" problem could have been addressed that way. But THAT has nothing to do with the IMMEDIATE crisis in Tenn. The 2 companies left in the pool have jacked rates (for me) by 70% and gone to "skinny network" plans that leave about 1/2 of health care providers in Tenn OUTSIDE the networks. Those 2 companies will NOT EVEN NEGOTIATE with providers not already in their networks.

It's a total cluster fuck NOW.. You want a crisis.. You've got it...

Who do you claim wanted a crisis?

Take a peek at Covered CA Linked Below

Covered California: Plans from the California Health Exchange
gclid=cjwkeaiag5_cbrdo4o6e4o3ntg0sjab-iatymqp3qtkn9wx53jq-gqvfynwqaov2glj3v2j90rububocrkrw_wcb

Thank you Gov. Brown

All I really see there is ONE company BlueCrossBlueShield operating under 2 different names. And a LOCAL HMO choice thru Kaiser. No price info, no network info.. If that is how YOU determine the health of a govt insurance pool --- you're not paying close attention to the details. Spring ahead to when BCBS does not get the full promised subsidy payments from the Feds and tell me what happens to that "blissful" situation..

The point made was CA worked within the system, and your state did not.

My wife and I have Kaiser Sr. Advantage for which we pay $89.23/mo (subsidize by the county and medicare); $10 for a an appt. with my primary care dr (but one free every year for an annual physical; $10 for major surgery; $10 for each Rx and free flu and other shots which are determined to be preventative.

Thus, I have no need to look into the details of Covered CA. Here it works, and that is because the CA Governor did not make Obamacare a political football.

Medicare is NOT ObamaCare. Different demographic, different financing. But much of the SAME "shifting of costs" that contribute to inflation in raw HealthCare pricing..

 

[the_human_being]

Hospitals: GOP may create 'an unprecedented public health crisis'

But the GOP is the GOP is the GOP. Their constituents are wealthy enough that they don't really care.

So going back to the way it was six years ago, which was better, would suddenly be an "unprecedented public health crisis?" LOL Okay, whatever you say.

"Which was better". That's ha ha funny.

it sure as hell was better for me.

Yep, that ^^^ is the thinking of a callous conservative, "I got mine, fuck the rest of you".

Well, actually he is not responsible for anyone other than himself and his family.

 

[flacaltenn]

You know what IS causing a hospital crisis in Tenn right NOW ???????? ObamaCare. BlueCross which had 80% of the pool -- just skidaddled. Out of it. The 2 companies left are taking advantage of the survivors. Picking them off like ants. So 3 out of 6 major hospitals in Nashville are NOT on the preferred provider list for the 2 companies. I called the one hospital I LIKE that is not on either provider list.. Asked the director of patient insurance how they were gonna get paid next year.

It was a "Hell if I know" type of answer.. That's IMMINENT disaster. Folks may start dying in the streets type of disaster. Hospitals may be laying folks off or closing..

TN did not expand Medicaid. That is part of the problem. Fought it and messed up. Listening to the Republicans during their debates and then Trump, I'd probably leave the state as well. That is why the ACA is not working as plan , the states that refused to expand Medicaid and BCBS is in every state. The Pubs have no plan, and they hate that Pres. Obama got one and passed it.

I agree that the ENTIRE "uninsured" problem could have been addressed that way. But THAT has nothing to do with the IMMEDIATE crisis in Tenn. The 2 companies left in the pool have jacked rates (for me) by 70% and gone to "skinny network" plans that leave about 1/2 of health care providers in Tenn OUTSIDE the networks. Those 2 companies will NOT EVEN NEGOTIATE with providers not already in their networks.

It's a total cluster fuck NOW.. You want a crisis.. You've got it...

Who do you claim wanted a crisis?

Take a peek at Covered CA Linked Below

Covered California: Plans from the California Health Exchange
gclid=cjwkeaiag5_cbrdo4o6e4o3ntg0sjab-iatymqp3qtkn9wx53jq-gqvfynwqaov2glj3v2j90rububocrkrw_wcb

Thank you Gov. Brown

All I really see there is ONE company BlueCrossBlueShield operating under 2 different names. And a LOCAL HMO choice thru Kaiser. No price info, no network info.. If that is how YOU determine the health of a govt insurance pool --- you're not paying close attention to the details. Spring ahead to when BCBS does not get the full promised subsidy payments from the Feds and tell me what happens to that "blissful" situation..

Sounds like the problem is just in your state. I have Anthem Blue Cross Medicaid in Ky and have not had a single problem seeing a single doctor the entire time. None. I've had more problems finding a dentist that accepts it than a doctor.

MediCAID is not ObamaCare. They tore up my group insurance that I had thru a Prof. Org for 22 years as a self-employed consultant to create ObamaCare. The burden in O-Care is largely on the self-employed and the middle class who work for small biz. Those folks who plans were destroyed in order to fix an 8 to 10% uninsured problem.. That problem SHOULD have been fixed by expanding MediCaid, but the Dems decided to HIDE the increased bill for MediCaid by REDISTRIBUTING PREMIUM payments in the pools and exchanges. Those skyrocketing premiums seen in MOST states are the direct result of very poor socialist design..

 

[Wry Catcher]

Hospitals: GOP may create 'an unprecedented public health crisis'

But the GOP is the GOP is the GOP. Their constituents are wealthy enough that they don't really care.

So going back to the way it was six years ago, which was better, would suddenly be an "unprecedented public health crisis?" LOL Okay, whatever you say.

"Which was better". That's ha ha funny.

it sure as hell was better for me.

Yep, that ^^^ is the thinking of a callous conservative, "I got mine, fuck the rest of you".

Well, actually he is not responsible for anyone other than himself and his family.

True, and yet many Americans do not hold the needy as lazy or corrupt; most of us are not callous to the needs of others.

 

[the_human_being]

There are people that do not get health insurance, would rather pay the fine or are not caught yet, but they own a home and have assets,

I say that hospitals should start foreclosures on their assets, home, etc and seize their bank accounts, to pay for their stay and care in hospitals.

I feel very strongly about this.

If they actually have assets. My Dad took his car to a mechanic and the mechanic ruined the engine in his car. Dad went to a lawyer to sue the mechanic. The lawyer said Dad couldn't sue because the mechanic was not even worth $2500.00. He owed for everything he had. Dad had to buy a rebuilt engine and have it installed himself. An awful lot of those folks in the ER own absolutely nothing.

That's true, and yet the are treated in ER's at local governments taxpayer's expense. Or, treated at a private hospital, then put in a wheel chair & dropped off at a county/public hospital.

If they are on EBT or some other form of entitlement program, it should be easy for them to qualify for Medicaid. At least it is in Florida.

 

[the_human_being]

So going back to the way it was six years ago, which was better, would suddenly be an "unprecedented public health crisis?" LOL Okay, whatever you say.

"Which was better". That's ha ha funny.

it sure as hell was better for me.

Yep, that ^^^ is the thinking of a callous conservative, "I got mine, fuck the rest of you".

Well, actually he is not responsible for anyone other than himself and his family.

True, and yet many Americans do not hold the needy as lazy or corrupt; most of us are not callous to the needs of others.

What then do you personally do of your ownself to help them with their medical bills?

 

[Wry Catcher]

TN did not expand Medicaid. That is part of the problem. Fought it and messed up. Listening to the Republicans during their debates and then Trump, I'd probably leave the state as well. That is why the ACA is not working as plan , the states that refused to expand Medicaid and BCBS is in every state. The Pubs have no plan, and they hate that Pres. Obama got one and passed it.

I agree that the ENTIRE "uninsured" problem could have been addressed that way. But THAT has nothing to do with the IMMEDIATE crisis in Tenn. The 2 companies left in the pool have jacked rates (for me) by 70% and gone to "skinny network" plans that leave about 1/2 of health care providers in Tenn OUTSIDE the networks. Those 2 companies will NOT EVEN NEGOTIATE with providers not already in their networks.

It's a total cluster fuck NOW.. You want a crisis.. You've got it...

Who do you claim wanted a crisis?

Take a peek at Covered CA Linked Below

Covered California: Plans from the California Health Exchange
gclid=cjwkeaiag5_cbrdo4o6e4o3ntg0sjab-iatymqp3qtkn9wx53jq-gqvfynwqaov2glj3v2j90rububocrkrw_wcb

Thank you Gov. Brown

All I really see there is ONE company BlueCrossBlueShield operating under 2 different names. And a LOCAL HMO choice thru Kaiser. No price info, no network info.. If that is how YOU determine the health of a govt insurance pool --- you're not paying close attention to the details. Spring ahead to when BCBS does not get the full promised subsidy payments from the Feds and tell me what happens to that "blissful" situation..

Sounds like the problem is just in your state. I have Anthem Blue Cross Medicaid in Ky and have not had a single problem seeing a single doctor the entire time. None. I've had more problems finding a dentist that accepts it than a doctor.

MediCAID is not ObamaCare. They tore up my group insurance that I had thru a Prof. Org for 22 years as a self-employed consultant to create ObamaCare. The burden in O-Care is largely on the self-employed and the middle class who work for small biz. Those folks who plans were destroyed in order to fix an 8 to 10% uninsured problem.. That problem SHOULD have been fixed by expanding MediCaid, but the Dems decided to HIDE the increased bill for MediCaid by REDISTRIBUTING PREMIUM payments in the pools and exchanges. Those skyrocketing premiums seen in MOST states are the direct result of very poor socialist design..

You made some interesting and thoughtful points, and than spoiled your post by your misuse of the phrase "socialist design".

 

[Penelope]

TN did not expand Medicaid. That is part of the problem. Fought it and messed up. Listening to the Republicans during their debates and then Trump, I'd probably leave the state as well. That is why the ACA is not working as plan , the states that refused to expand Medicaid and BCBS is in every state. The Pubs have no plan, and they hate that Pres. Obama got one and passed it.

I agree that the ENTIRE "uninsured" problem could have been addressed that way. But THAT has nothing to do with the IMMEDIATE crisis in Tenn. The 2 companies left in the pool have jacked rates (for me) by 70% and gone to "skinny network" plans that leave about 1/2 of health care providers in Tenn OUTSIDE the networks. Those 2 companies will NOT EVEN NEGOTIATE with providers not already in their networks.

It's a total cluster fuck NOW.. You want a crisis.. You've got it...

Who do you claim wanted a crisis?

Take a peek at Covered CA Linked Below

Covered California: Plans from the California Health Exchange
gclid=cjwkeaiag5_cbrdo4o6e4o3ntg0sjab-iatymqp3qtkn9wx53jq-gqvfynwqaov2glj3v2j90rububocrkrw_wcb

Thank you Gov. Brown

All I really see there is ONE company BlueCrossBlueShield operating under 2 different names. And a LOCAL HMO choice thru Kaiser. No price info, no network info.. If that is how YOU determine the health of a govt insurance pool --- you're not paying close attention to the details. Spring ahead to when BCBS does not get the full promised subsidy payments from the Feds and tell me what happens to that "blissful" situation..

Sounds like the problem is just in your state. I have Anthem Blue Cross Medicaid in Ky and have not had a single problem seeing a single doctor the entire time. None. I've had more problems finding a dentist that accepts it than a doctor.

MediCAID is not ObamaCare. They tore up my group insurance that I had thru a Prof. Org for 22 years as a self-employed consultant to create ObamaCare. The burden in O-Care is largely on the self-employed and the middle class who work for small biz. Those folks who plans were destroyed in order to fix an 8 to 10% uninsured problem.. That problem SHOULD have been fixed by expanding MediCaid, but the Dems decided to HIDE the increased bill for MediCaid by REDISTRIBUTING PREMIUM payments in the pools and exchanges. Those skyrocketing premiums seen in MOST states are the direct result of very poor socialist design..

Who tore it up?

 

[Wry Catcher]

"Which was better". That's ha ha funny.

it sure as hell was better for me.

Yep, that ^^^ is the thinking of a callous conservative, "I got mine, fuck the rest of you".

Well, actually he is not responsible for anyone other than himself and his family.

True, and yet many Americans do not hold the needy as lazy or corrupt; most of us are not callous to the needs of others.

What then do you personally do of your ownself to help them with their medical bills?

I pay my taxes which fund the county hospital system which is the most costly county agency in the county, and I vote for projects and people who hold the same values I have - do unto others as ....!

 

[flacaltenn]

I agree that the ENTIRE "uninsured" problem could have been addressed that way. But THAT has nothing to do with the IMMEDIATE crisis in Tenn. The 2 companies left in the pool have jacked rates (for me) by 70% and gone to "skinny network" plans that leave about 1/2 of health care providers in Tenn OUTSIDE the networks. Those 2 companies will NOT EVEN NEGOTIATE with providers not already in their networks.

It's a total cluster fuck NOW.. You want a crisis.. You've got it...

Who do you claim wanted a crisis?

Take a peek at Covered CA Linked Below

Covered California: Plans from the California Health Exchange
gclid=cjwkeaiag5_cbrdo4o6e4o3ntg0sjab-iatymqp3qtkn9wx53jq-gqvfynwqaov2glj3v2j90rububocrkrw_wcb

Thank you Gov. Brown

All I really see there is ONE company BlueCrossBlueShield operating under 2 different names. And a LOCAL HMO choice thru Kaiser. No price info, no network info.. If that is how YOU determine the health of a govt insurance pool --- you're not paying close attention to the details. Spring ahead to when BCBS does not get the full promised subsidy payments from the Feds and tell me what happens to that "blissful" situation..

Sounds like the problem is just in your state. I have Anthem Blue Cross Medicaid in Ky and have not had a single problem seeing a single doctor the entire time. None. I've had more problems finding a dentist that accepts it than a doctor.

MediCAID is not ObamaCare. They tore up my group insurance that I had thru a Prof. Org for 22 years as a self-employed consultant to create ObamaCare. The burden in O-Care is largely on the self-employed and the middle class who work for small biz. Those folks who plans were destroyed in order to fix an 8 to 10% uninsured problem.. That problem SHOULD have been fixed by expanding MediCaid, but the Dems decided to HIDE the increased bill for MediCaid by REDISTRIBUTING PREMIUM payments in the pools and exchanges. Those skyrocketing premiums seen in MOST states are the direct result of very poor socialist design..

Who tore it up?

Professional Groups like engineers, lawyers, veterinarians had a lot of coverage. They were effective pools. ObamaCare OUTLAWED these groups. And then the HHS started writing WAIVERS to their favorite groups like Unions, and AARP who helped to propagandize for the passage of ACA..

MILLIONS of folks in these professional group pools that got tossed out right at the beginning of O-Care..

 

[flacaltenn]

I agree that the ENTIRE "uninsured" problem could have been addressed that way. But THAT has nothing to do with the IMMEDIATE crisis in Tenn. The 2 companies left in the pool have jacked rates (for me) by 70% and gone to "skinny network" plans that leave about 1/2 of health care providers in Tenn OUTSIDE the networks. Those 2 companies will NOT EVEN NEGOTIATE with providers not already in their networks.

It's a total cluster fuck NOW.. You want a crisis.. You've got it...

Who do you claim wanted a crisis?

Take a peek at Covered CA Linked Below

Covered California: Plans from the California Health Exchange
gclid=cjwkeaiag5_cbrdo4o6e4o3ntg0sjab-iatymqp3qtkn9wx53jq-gqvfynwqaov2glj3v2j90rububocrkrw_wcb

Thank you Gov. Brown

All I really see there is ONE company BlueCrossBlueShield operating under 2 different names. And a LOCAL HMO choice thru Kaiser. No price info, no network info.. If that is how YOU determine the health of a govt insurance pool --- you're not paying close attention to the details. Spring ahead to when BCBS does not get the full promised subsidy payments from the Feds and tell me what happens to that "blissful" situation..

Sounds like the problem is just in your state. I have Anthem Blue Cross Medicaid in Ky and have not had a single problem seeing a single doctor the entire time. None. I've had more problems finding a dentist that accepts it than a doctor.

MediCAID is not ObamaCare. They tore up my group insurance that I had thru a Prof. Org for 22 years as a self-employed consultant to create ObamaCare. The burden in O-Care is largely on the self-employed and the middle class who work for small biz. Those folks who plans were destroyed in order to fix an 8 to 10% uninsured problem.. That problem SHOULD have been fixed by expanding MediCaid, but the Dems decided to HIDE the increased bill for MediCaid by REDISTRIBUTING PREMIUM payments in the pools and exchanges. Those skyrocketing premiums seen in MOST states are the direct result of very poor socialist design..

You made some interesting and thoughtful points, and than spoiled your post by your misuse of the phrase "socialist design".

But it WAS... The premiums in the pools were designed to redistribute costs WITHIN those pools. To hide the costs to the FEDS of a REAL MediCaid expansion. When they are subsidizing at 4X the poverty rate, the costs are gonna rise to OTHER people who were TOSSED FORCEFULLY into the pools.

 

[martybegan]

Hospitals: GOP may create 'an unprecedented public health crisis'

But the GOP is the GOP is the GOP. Their constituents are wealthy enough that they don't really care.

So going back to the way it was six years ago, which was better, would suddenly be an "unprecedented public health crisis?" LOL Okay, whatever you say.

"Which was better". That's ha ha funny.

it sure as hell was better for me.

Yep, that ^^^ is the thinking of a callous conservative, "I got mine, fuck the rest of you".

Kind of like you and gun ownership, right dickhead?

 

[martybegan]

So going back to the way it was six years ago, which was better, would suddenly be an "unprecedented public health crisis?" LOL Okay, whatever you say.

"Which was better". That's ha ha funny.

it sure as hell was better for me.

Yep, that ^^^ is the thinking of a callous conservative, "I got mine, fuck the rest of you".

Well, actually he is not responsible for anyone other than himself and his family.

True, and yet many Americans do not hold the needy as lazy or corrupt; most of us are not callous to the needs of others.

No, you are quite generous, with other's people's money.

 

[Penelope]

Who do you claim wanted a crisis?

Take a peek at Covered CA Linked Below

Covered California: Plans from the California Health Exchange
gclid=cjwkeaiag5_cbrdo4o6e4o3ntg0sjab-iatymqp3qtkn9wx53jq-gqvfynwqaov2glj3v2j90rububocrkrw_wcb

Thank you Gov. Brown

All I really see there is ONE company BlueCrossBlueShield operating under 2 different names. And a LOCAL HMO choice thru Kaiser. No price info, no network info.. If that is how YOU determine the health of a govt insurance pool --- you're not paying close attention to the details. Spring ahead to when BCBS does not get the full promised subsidy payments from the Feds and tell me what happens to that "blissful" situation..

Sounds like the problem is just in your state. I have Anthem Blue Cross Medicaid in Ky and have not had a single problem seeing a single doctor the entire time. None. I've had more problems finding a dentist that accepts it than a doctor.

MediCAID is not ObamaCare. They tore up my group insurance that I had thru a Prof. Org for 22 years as a self-employed consultant to create ObamaCare. The burden in O-Care is largely on the self-employed and the middle class who work for small biz. Those folks who plans were destroyed in order to fix an 8 to 10% uninsured problem.. That problem SHOULD have been fixed by expanding MediCaid, but the Dems decided to HIDE the increased bill for MediCaid by REDISTRIBUTING PREMIUM payments in the pools and exchanges. Those skyrocketing premiums seen in MOST states are the direct result of very poor socialist design..

Who tore it up?

Professional Groups like engineers, lawyers, veterinarians had a lot of coverage. They were effective pools. ObamaCare OUTLAWED these groups. And then the HHS started writing WAIVERS to their favorite groups like Unions, and AARP who helped to propagandize for the passage of ACA..

MILLIONS of folks in these professional group pools that got tossed out right at the beginning of O-Care..

Were there certain qualifications for being in a pool? Besides working in the same profession?

 

[flacaltenn]

All I really see there is ONE company BlueCrossBlueShield operating under 2 different names. And a LOCAL HMO choice thru Kaiser. No price info, no network info.. If that is how YOU determine the health of a govt insurance pool --- you're not paying close attention to the details. Spring ahead to when BCBS does not get the full promised subsidy payments from the Feds and tell me what happens to that "blissful" situation..

Sounds like the problem is just in your state. I have Anthem Blue Cross Medicaid in Ky and have not had a single problem seeing a single doctor the entire time. None. I've had more problems finding a dentist that accepts it than a doctor.

MediCAID is not ObamaCare. They tore up my group insurance that I had thru a Prof. Org for 22 years as a self-employed consultant to create ObamaCare. The burden in O-Care is largely on the self-employed and the middle class who work for small biz. Those folks who plans were destroyed in order to fix an 8 to 10% uninsured problem.. That problem SHOULD have been fixed by expanding MediCaid, but the Dems decided to HIDE the increased bill for MediCaid by REDISTRIBUTING PREMIUM payments in the pools and exchanges. Those skyrocketing premiums seen in MOST states are the direct result of very poor socialist design..

Who tore it up?

Professional Groups like engineers, lawyers, veterinarians had a lot of coverage. They were effective pools. ObamaCare OUTLAWED these groups. And then the HHS started writing WAIVERS to their favorite groups like Unions, and AARP who helped to propagandize for the passage of ACA..

MILLIONS of folks in these professional group pools that got tossed out right at the beginning of O-Care..

Were there certain qualifications for being in a pool? Besides working in the same profession?

Yes paid up membership in the Professional Society. Like the Amer. Chem Society, IEEE or the Amer. Veterinary Assoc.

 

[Wry Catcher]

"Which was better". That's ha ha funny.

it sure as hell was better for me.

Yep, that ^^^ is the thinking of a callous conservative, "I got mine, fuck the rest of you".

Well, actually he is not responsible for anyone other than himself and his family.

True, and yet many Americans do not hold the needy as lazy or corrupt; most of us are not callous to the needs of others.

No, you are quite generous, with other's people's money.

It's my money too. And, given your hysteria over having to pay $1,000 for a hand gun I'm reasonably sure I pay a hell of a lot more taxes than you.

 

[martybegan]

it sure as hell was better for me.

Yep, that ^^^ is the thinking of a callous conservative, "I got mine, fuck the rest of you".

Well, actually he is not responsible for anyone other than himself and his family.

True, and yet many Americans do not hold the needy as lazy or corrupt; most of us are not callous to the needs of others.

No, you are quite generous, with other's people's money.

It's my money too. And, given your hysteria over having to pay $1,000 for a hand gun I'm reasonably sure I pay a hell of a lot more taxes than you.

it's $1000 in fees for the "privilege" of then spending money on a handgun, ass.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

I think you mean "May avert a health crisis".