The GOP in trouble

[S.J.]

Bullshit, Eric Holder was held in contempt for ignoring a Congressional subpoena to turn over documents in the Fast and Furious scandal.

Since the discussion was about Benghazi, I like how you edited that, you had to ignore that to get to the one time in one investigation, that one official refused to turn a set of documents. Was he ordered by the President or did he do that on his own? No comparison to the baseless claim of blanket immunity by the Shakedown King.

You said: "Furthermore, the Obama administration did not deny any Congressional subpoenas for information nor did they ever instructed White House officials to ignore Congressional subpoenas". I proved you wrong so now you want to go back and change the meaning of your comment? Trying to save face? LOL

Like I said you had to ignore everything else that was previously said in the thread so you could pretend I wasn't referring to the multiple Benghazi hearings. But I understand how the RRighties love to take single sentences out of context and develop a false narrative from that single sentence.

"Contrary to known reality. Two died of smoke inhalation before the CIA Rescue team arrived and drove off the attackers and then evacuated every one but the Ambassador to the more secure CIA complex. They died because they went to the safe room where the exhaust fans had not been installed. The other two were killed by a mortar on an exposed roof top at the CIA complex several hours later."

Furthermore, the Obama administration did not deny any Congressional subpoenas for information nor did they ever instructed White House officials to ignore Congressional subpoenas.

More bullshit. Your objective was to advance the false narrative that Trump is a criminal and Obama was as pure as the driven snow. I proved you wrong and now you're embarrassed and want to undo it. And the who died at the embassy died because the rescue team was told to stand down. Get your nose out of Obama's ass. He went golfing instead of helping them and Hillary didn't give a shit either. They were under attack and Obama and Hillary were more concerned about being embarrassed going into the election than they were about saving their lives. And as for your other false statement about Obama never denying Congressional subpoenas for information or instructing WH officials go ignore them, you are once again lying.
9 Times The Obama Administration Fought Subpoenas or Blocked Officials from Testifying Before Congress

You ignore the entire thread and focus on a single line and then applied that line to Obama's two terms Never said they never fought with Congress for the requests or subpoenas or made claims executive privilege.

Had Obama try to lay down a blanket Immunity claim, even Democrats would have abandoned him.

I focused on what you said, and what you said was bullshit. I also noticed how you didn't dispute the FACTS in my link (even though you claimed otherwise).

 

[Billy_Bob]

Theres nothing “routine” about abuse of power.
Good lord, did you think about what you just said?

There was no abuse of power.

Using government authority for personal gain sure as hell is.

SO your going to hold Sleepy Joe Biden and his son accountable?

I would if there was any evidence they did anything wrong.

Withholding a billion dollars to protect his son's millions and Joes indirect payments s well is nothing? And there is physical evidence that they did it..

You hypocrites are so predictable...

 

[Care4all]

Theres nothing “routine” about abuse of power.
Good lord, did you think about what you just said?

There was no abuse of power.

Using government authority for personal gain sure as hell is.

SO your going to hold Sleepy Joe Biden and his son accountable?

I would if there was any evidence they did anything wrong.

Withholding a billion dollars to protect his son's millions and Joes indirect payments s well is nothing? And there is physical evidence that they did it..

You hypocrites are so predictable...

IF ANY of that was even close to being REMOTELY TRUE, the DOJ and AG Barr would be handling the case....

 

[colfax_m]

Theres nothing “routine” about abuse of power.
Good lord, did you think about what you just said?

There was no abuse of power.

Using government authority for personal gain sure as hell is.

SO your going to hold Sleepy Joe Biden and his son accountable?

I would if there was any evidence they did anything wrong.

Withholding a billion dollars to protect his son's millions and Joes indirect payments s well is nothing? And there is physical evidence that they did it..

You hypocrites are so predictable...

I didn’t realize there was physical evidence of it all.

What evidence shows that anyone at Burisma was asking the Biden’s to have Viktor Shokin dismissed?

 

[kyzr]

Protecting the Constitution from misuse by the democrats is what we are voting on.
Impeachment is only for "High Crimes" not for a partisan food fight because you don't like the president.
The simple fact that there is no crime, let alone a "high crime" should let you know that you are on the wrong side of the disagreement.

The HIGH, in HIGH crimes and misdemeanors, stands for a person in HIGH Status in our govt...

It's an abuse of office, for a person in HIGH power...

A high crime and misdemeanor, is simply an abuse of the person's power, given to them by holding a HIGH office.

Laws were not even written at the time, there were no statutes for felony crimes or misdemeanor crimes and the term HIGH was not used to denote a HIGH misdemeanor or HIGH crime as in one that reaches the high upper level of all crimes committed in a legal sense.

This is NOT a legal criminal trial, this is a political impeachment trial, where no statute on a Felony is needed.

Wrong, according to Turley the bar is extremely high for anything "impeachable". Routine ticky-tack "abuses of power" are NOT impeachable offenses. Then again, the House can vote to impeach along partisan party line votes, but that sets a very bad precedent. Luckily the senate is in GOP hands and they will most certainly NOT remove Trump.

Theres nothing “routine” about abuse of power.

Good lord, did you think about what you just said?

Every president can be accused of "abuse of power" and impeached. Instead of impeaching Obama the GOP took him to court and won or lost fairly. As Turley said, the courts are there to help settle disagreements between the Executive and Legislative branches. Turley called impeaching Trump without a serious abuse of power an "abuse of power" by the House. They have the authority to impeach, but not the moral authority, or the public and senate would be on their side.

There’s the problem though. If Trump can prevent all oversight by the legislative branch, he’s effectively removed the ability for the House to impeach.

One more time. The House needs to go to the courts to get the "official call" on what the WH needs to do or not do.
The House doesn't want to involve the 3rd branch because they know they'd lose in court.
If the House won in court Trump would have to comply, or that would be obstruction and impeachable.

 

[colfax_m]

The HIGH, in HIGH crimes and misdemeanors, stands for a person in HIGH Status in our govt...

It's an abuse of office, for a person in HIGH power...

A high crime and misdemeanor, is simply an abuse of the person's power, given to them by holding a HIGH office.

Laws were not even written at the time, there were no statutes for felony crimes or misdemeanor crimes and the term HIGH was not used to denote a HIGH misdemeanor or HIGH crime as in one that reaches the high upper level of all crimes committed in a legal sense.

This is NOT a legal criminal trial, this is a political impeachment trial, where no statute on a Felony is needed.

Wrong, according to Turley the bar is extremely high for anything "impeachable". Routine ticky-tack "abuses of power" are NOT impeachable offenses. Then again, the House can vote to impeach along partisan party line votes, but that sets a very bad precedent. Luckily the senate is in GOP hands and they will most certainly NOT remove Trump.

Theres nothing “routine” about abuse of power.

Good lord, did you think about what you just said?

Every president can be accused of "abuse of power" and impeached. Instead of impeaching Obama the GOP took him to court and won or lost fairly. As Turley said, the courts are there to help settle disagreements between the Executive and Legislative branches. Turley called impeaching Trump without a serious abuse of power an "abuse of power" by the House. They have the authority to impeach, but not the moral authority, or the public and senate would be on their side.

There’s the problem though. If Trump can prevent all oversight by the legislative branch, he’s effectively removed the ability for the House to impeach.

One more time. The House needs to go to the courts to get the "official call" on what the WH needs to do or not do.
The House doesn't want to involve the 3rd branch because they know they'd lose in court.
If the House won in court Trump would have to comply, or that would be obstruction and impeachable.

Hate to break it to you but they have gone to the courts. They’ve won every case but Trump’s legal team can keep submitting illogical and dubious arguments to string this out until after the election. That’s not okay.

Of note, Trump isn’t fighting the subpoenas. They’re just ignoring them. That’s not okay either.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Wrong, according to Turley the bar is extremely high for anything "impeachable". Routine ticky-tack "abuses of power" are NOT impeachable offenses. Then again, the House can vote to impeach along partisan party line votes, but that sets a very bad precedent. Luckily the senate is in GOP hands and they will most certainly NOT remove Trump.

Theres nothing “routine” about abuse of power.

Good lord, did you think about what you just said?

Every president can be accused of "abuse of power" and impeached. Instead of impeaching Obama the GOP took him to court and won or lost fairly. As Turley said, the courts are there to help settle disagreements between the Executive and Legislative branches. Turley called impeaching Trump without a serious abuse of power an "abuse of power" by the House. They have the authority to impeach, but not the moral authority, or the public and senate would be on their side.

There’s the problem though. If Trump can prevent all oversight by the legislative branch, he’s effectively removed the ability for the House to impeach.

One more time. The House needs to go to the courts to get the "official call" on what the WH needs to do or not do.
The House doesn't want to involve the 3rd branch because they know they'd lose in court.
If the House won in court Trump would have to comply, or that would be obstruction and impeachable.

Hate to break it to you but they have gone to the courts. They’ve won every case but Trump’s legal team can keep submitting illogical and dubious arguments to string this out until after the election. That’s not okay.

Of note, Trump isn’t fighting the subpoenas. They’re just ignoring them. That’s not okay either.

Wrong... they have lost all but one case and they will lose them all once it hits SCOTUS.

 

[kyzr]

Wrong, according to Turley the bar is extremely high for anything "impeachable". Routine ticky-tack "abuses of power" are NOT impeachable offenses. Then again, the House can vote to impeach along partisan party line votes, but that sets a very bad precedent. Luckily the senate is in GOP hands and they will most certainly NOT remove Trump.

Theres nothing “routine” about abuse of power.

Good lord, did you think about what you just said?

Every president can be accused of "abuse of power" and impeached. Instead of impeaching Obama the GOP took him to court and won or lost fairly. As Turley said, the courts are there to help settle disagreements between the Executive and Legislative branches. Turley called impeaching Trump without a serious abuse of power an "abuse of power" by the House. They have the authority to impeach, but not the moral authority, or the public and senate would be on their side.

There’s the problem though. If Trump can prevent all oversight by the legislative branch, he’s effectively removed the ability for the House to impeach.

One more time. The House needs to go to the courts to get the "official call" on what the WH needs to do or not do.
The House doesn't want to involve the 3rd branch because they know they'd lose in court.
If the House won in court Trump would have to comply, or that would be obstruction and impeachable.

Hate to break it to you but they have gone to the courts. They’ve won every case but Trump’s legal team can keep submitting illogical and dubious arguments to string this out until after the election. That’s not okay.

Of note, Trump isn’t fighting the subpoenas. They’re just ignoring them. That’s not okay either.

1. Trump has every right to appeal a court decision, until its final. That is very ok.
2. The House is ignoring the subpoenas instead of taking them to court. Nothing to do with Trump, tell the House to get off their asses and push for them.

 

[OldLady]

THOUGHTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT:

There's the first lie right there.

This isn't gang rules. It's not "You are either one of us or you are against us." Only crooks think like that.

 

[OldLady]

Republicans have to be getting exhausted by all this. There are whispers that if the vote in the senate is a secret ballot Trump is gone.

LOL, OMG, WTF are you using for proof, a secret ballot? The GOP voters get a say in how our reps vote don't we?
That's why no Republican will vote to impeach, period. If they do they are gone.

You can bet your ass the motion will be made to make the final vote to remove the president from office a secret ballot. Are you confident that republican senators will vote to keep the president if their vote never becomes known?

It would require 100% yays to move to a secret ballot. Has it ever been done before? There will be some, including Mitch, who want to keep the President, regardless of what he has done. They will not vote for a secret ballot and it will not happen.
I wish it would, but it won't.

 

[colfax_m]

Theres nothing “routine” about abuse of power.

Good lord, did you think about what you just said?

Every president can be accused of "abuse of power" and impeached. Instead of impeaching Obama the GOP took him to court and won or lost fairly. As Turley said, the courts are there to help settle disagreements between the Executive and Legislative branches. Turley called impeaching Trump without a serious abuse of power an "abuse of power" by the House. They have the authority to impeach, but not the moral authority, or the public and senate would be on their side.

There’s the problem though. If Trump can prevent all oversight by the legislative branch, he’s effectively removed the ability for the House to impeach.

One more time. The House needs to go to the courts to get the "official call" on what the WH needs to do or not do.
The House doesn't want to involve the 3rd branch because they know they'd lose in court.
If the House won in court Trump would have to comply, or that would be obstruction and impeachable.

Hate to break it to you but they have gone to the courts. They’ve won every case but Trump’s legal team can keep submitting illogical and dubious arguments to string this out until after the election. That’s not okay.

Of note, Trump isn’t fighting the subpoenas. They’re just ignoring them. That’s not okay either.

Wrong... they have lost all but one case and they will lose them all once it hits SCOTUS.

Name one case they’ve won please.

 

[colfax_m]

Theres nothing “routine” about abuse of power.

Good lord, did you think about what you just said?

Every president can be accused of "abuse of power" and impeached. Instead of impeaching Obama the GOP took him to court and won or lost fairly. As Turley said, the courts are there to help settle disagreements between the Executive and Legislative branches. Turley called impeaching Trump without a serious abuse of power an "abuse of power" by the House. They have the authority to impeach, but not the moral authority, or the public and senate would be on their side.

There’s the problem though. If Trump can prevent all oversight by the legislative branch, he’s effectively removed the ability for the House to impeach.

One more time. The House needs to go to the courts to get the "official call" on what the WH needs to do or not do.
The House doesn't want to involve the 3rd branch because they know they'd lose in court.
If the House won in court Trump would have to comply, or that would be obstruction and impeachable.

Hate to break it to you but they have gone to the courts. They’ve won every case but Trump’s legal team can keep submitting illogical and dubious arguments to string this out until after the election. That’s not okay.

Of note, Trump isn’t fighting the subpoenas. They’re just ignoring them. That’s not okay either.

1. Trump has every right to appeal a court decision, until its final. That is very ok.
2. The House is ignoring the subpoenas instead of taking them to court. Nothing to do with Trump, tell the House to get off their asses and push for them.

Trump is a using the courts just like he’s abusing his office. He has no intention of winning. He just is trying to run the clock out. This is like his defamation lawsuits. He’s not trying to win with a legal argument.

The House is fighting a lawsuit with McGahn over the same issue. It’s taken 6 months for one decision. This is going to take years to litigate.

Where did we get the idea that the House has to ask permission from the courts and the administration to exercise their constitutionally granted powers?

 

[edward37]

THOUGHTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT:

I'm sorry Trump supporters, I know you don't want to hear this, but your guy in the white house and your party are in trouble on this one. Unlike the Mueller report, which was heavy on legal jargon and short on clarity, this impeachment inquiry report paints a very clear picture of a President abusing his power for political gain, then trying to cover it up. To make matters worse, the Presidents attempts to intimidate and attack witnesses was largely unsuccessful, as a number of key people (some of them appointed by Republicans) came forward with 1st and 2nd hand evidence of the President's guilt. Even recent FOX news polls paint a picture of a President and a political party in decline. Donald J Trump has been able to mount only a vocal defence, relying mostly on personal insults and bluster. This will leave Senate Republicans is a difficult situation: Vote to keep Trump in office, and run the risk of losing reelection (over 20 Senate Republicans are up for reelection in 2020) or vote to remove him and admit they backed the wrong guy.

For those of you who think this all hogwash, I would point out that virtually none of you have even read the Mueller report (redactions or not) or this impeachment report. If you'd done so, most of you would be singing a different tune. For those who would like to do so, I've posted the links to them below.

Given today's political climate, I doubt Senate Republicans will vote to remove President Trump from office, but Republicans would do well to knock off the childish name calling, stop bitching about the Biden's and take a look in your own backyard:

Your party is in trouble!





Fox News Poll: 49 percent favor impeaching Trump

Report | Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence

READ: The Mueller Report, With Redactions

Actually, Americans are all over the place on impeachment. There is no real indication at this point what will happen next year, but the tide has been turning against impeachment, not in support of it, particularly in the battleground states.

In key general election states, fewer voters support impeachment.
Battleground state polls show a more negative reaction to the impeachment inquiry, signaling more risk to Democrats and potential benefit for Trump. An average of 44 percent supported impeachment, with 51 percent opposed, averaging across a dozen October and November polls in Arizona, Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina and Wisconsin. That’s a flip from an average of national polls that finds support for impeachment narrowly edging opposition, 47 percent to 43 percent.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...t-just-like-they-were-before-public-hearings/

The world knows Why don't trumpers?
Former Vice President Joe Biden’s campaign pounced Wednesday evening after a viral video featuring frustrated world leaders mocking President Donald Trump circulated online. The Democratic candidate released a new attack ad saying the country needed a leader the “world respects.”


The minute-long clip begins with a supercut of diplomats and world leaders laughing at Trump, including footage from a speech at the United Nations in 2018 and this week’s video from the NATO conference in London.

“The world sees Trump for what he is: insincere, ill-informed, corrupt,” Biden says in a voiceover in the ad. “Dangerously incompetent and incapable, in my view, of world leadership.”

 

[OldLady]

THOUGHTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT:

I'm sorry Trump supporters, I know you don't want to hear this, but your guy in the white house and your party are in trouble on this one. Unlike the Mueller report, which was heavy on legal jargon and short on clarity, this impeachment inquiry report paints a very clear picture of a President abusing his power for political gain, then trying to cover it up. To make matters worse, the Presidents attempts to intimidate and attack witnesses was largely unsuccessful, as a number of key people (some of them appointed by Republicans) came forward with 1st and 2nd hand evidence of the President's guilt. Even recent FOX news polls paint a picture of a President and a political party in decline. Donald J Trump has been able to mount only a vocal defence, relying mostly on personal insults and bluster. This will leave Senate Republicans is a difficult situation: Vote to keep Trump in office, and run the risk of losing reelection (over 20 Senate Republicans are up for reelection in 2020) or vote to remove him and admit they backed the wrong guy.

For those of you who think this all hogwash, I would point out that virtually none of you have even read the Mueller report (redactions or not) or this impeachment report. If you'd done so, most of you would be singing a different tune. For those who would like to do so, I've posted the links to them below.

Given today's political climate, I doubt Senate Republicans will vote to remove President Trump from office, but Republicans would do well to knock off the childish name calling, stop bitching about the Biden's and take a look in your own backyard:

Your party is in trouble!





Fox News Poll: 49 percent favor impeaching Trump

Report | Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence

READ: The Mueller Report, With Redactions

Actually, Americans are all over the place on impeachment. There is no real indication at this point what will happen next year, but the tide has been turning against impeachment, not in support of it, particularly in the battleground states.

In key general election states, fewer voters support impeachment.
Battleground state polls show a more negative reaction to the impeachment inquiry, signaling more risk to Democrats and potential benefit for Trump. An average of 44 percent supported impeachment, with 51 percent opposed, averaging across a dozen October and November polls in Arizona, Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina and Wisconsin. That’s a flip from an average of national polls that finds support for impeachment narrowly edging opposition, 47 percent to 43 percent.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...t-just-like-they-were-before-public-hearings/

The world knows Why don't trumpers?
Former Vice President Joe Biden’s campaign pounced Wednesday evening after a viral video featuring frustrated world leaders mocking President Donald Trump circulated online. The Democratic candidate released a new attack ad saying the country needed a leader the “world respects.”


The minute-long clip begins with a supercut of diplomats and world leaders laughing at Trump, including footage from a speech at the United Nations in 2018 and this week’s video from the NATO conference in London.

“The world sees Trump for what he is: insincere, ill-informed, corrupt,” Biden says in a voiceover in the ad. “Dangerously incompetent and incapable, in my view, of world leadership.”

Ouch. Them's fightin' words, for sure.

 

[Dragonlady]

We've survived without the RINOs who have abandoned us, we can survive without this guy too.

You lost the HOUSE, and you're not getting it back. How many state governorships have you lost? Over 300 political offices have flipped from red to blue since Donald Trump was elected. Young people getting out of school with a millstone of debt around their necks, and no access to health care, won't vote Republican.

 

[kyzr]

Every president can be accused of "abuse of power" and impeached. Instead of impeaching Obama the GOP took him to court and won or lost fairly. As Turley said, the courts are there to help settle disagreements between the Executive and Legislative branches. Turley called impeaching Trump without a serious abuse of power an "abuse of power" by the House. They have the authority to impeach, but not the moral authority, or the public and senate would be on their side.

There’s the problem though. If Trump can prevent all oversight by the legislative branch, he’s effectively removed the ability for the House to impeach.

One more time. The House needs to go to the courts to get the "official call" on what the WH needs to do or not do.
The House doesn't want to involve the 3rd branch because they know they'd lose in court.
If the House won in court Trump would have to comply, or that would be obstruction and impeachable.

Hate to break it to you but they have gone to the courts. They’ve won every case but Trump’s legal team can keep submitting illogical and dubious arguments to string this out until after the election. That’s not okay.

Of note, Trump isn’t fighting the subpoenas. They’re just ignoring them. That’s not okay either.

1. Trump has every right to appeal a court decision, until its final. That is very ok.
2. The House is ignoring the subpoenas instead of taking them to court. Nothing to do with Trump, tell the House to get off their asses and push for them.

Trump is a using the courts just like he’s abusing his office. He has no intention of winning. He just is trying to run the clock out. This is like his defamation lawsuits. He’s not trying to win with a legal argument.

The House is fighting a lawsuit with McGahn over the same issue. It’s taken 6 months for one decision. This is going to take years to litigate.

Where did we get the idea that the House has to ask permission from the courts and the administration to exercise their constitutionally granted powers?

That's what is happening, the House is exercising their partisan impeachment powers, and the senate will shove it down their throats. Then what? Trump gets re-elected.
Why does it take 6-months to get a court decision?

 

[colfax_m]

There’s the problem though. If Trump can prevent all oversight by the legislative branch, he’s effectively removed the ability for the House to impeach.

One more time. The House needs to go to the courts to get the "official call" on what the WH needs to do or not do.
The House doesn't want to involve the 3rd branch because they know they'd lose in court.
If the House won in court Trump would have to comply, or that would be obstruction and impeachable.

Hate to break it to you but they have gone to the courts. They’ve won every case but Trump’s legal team can keep submitting illogical and dubious arguments to string this out until after the election. That’s not okay.

Of note, Trump isn’t fighting the subpoenas. They’re just ignoring them. That’s not okay either.

1. Trump has every right to appeal a court decision, until its final. That is very ok.
2. The House is ignoring the subpoenas instead of taking them to court. Nothing to do with Trump, tell the House to get off their asses and push for them.

Trump is a using the courts just like he’s abusing his office. He has no intention of winning. He just is trying to run the clock out. This is like his defamation lawsuits. He’s not trying to win with a legal argument.

The House is fighting a lawsuit with McGahn over the same issue. It’s taken 6 months for one decision. This is going to take years to litigate.

Where did we get the idea that the House has to ask permission from the courts and the administration to exercise their constitutionally granted powers?

That's what is happening, the House is exercising their partisan impeachment powers, and the senate will shove it down their throats. Then what? Trump gets re-elected.
Why does it take 6-months to get a court decision?

The House is being criticized for having an impeachment without obtaining as much information as would be possible should Trump have decided to cooperate with their investigation. It’s ridiculous to think the House has the power to impeach but not to investigate the Executive but that’s the argument being put forth by the Trump administration. It has been failing and will fail. But Trump’s legal team also knows they can delay the courts with motion after motion. That’s why it takes so long to get a court decision and that’s why Trump is doing it. Not to win but to run out the clock.

 

[S.J.]

THOUGHTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT:

There's the first lie right there.

This isn't gang rules. It's not "You are either one of us or you are against us." Only crooks think like that.

He's a poser, it's obvious. Everything he said is identical to everything we hear from the radical left, who have yet to prove anything against the President. If you were honest you would acknowledge that.

 

[kyzr]

One more time. The House needs to go to the courts to get the "official call" on what the WH needs to do or not do.
The House doesn't want to involve the 3rd branch because they know they'd lose in court.
If the House won in court Trump would have to comply, or that would be obstruction and impeachable.

Hate to break it to you but they have gone to the courts. They’ve won every case but Trump’s legal team can keep submitting illogical and dubious arguments to string this out until after the election. That’s not okay.

Of note, Trump isn’t fighting the subpoenas. They’re just ignoring them. That’s not okay either.

1. Trump has every right to appeal a court decision, until its final. That is very ok.
2. The House is ignoring the subpoenas instead of taking them to court. Nothing to do with Trump, tell the House to get off their asses and push for them.

Trump is a using the courts just like he’s abusing his office. He has no intention of winning. He just is trying to run the clock out. This is like his defamation lawsuits. He’s not trying to win with a legal argument.

The House is fighting a lawsuit with McGahn over the same issue. It’s taken 6 months for one decision. This is going to take years to litigate.

Where did we get the idea that the House has to ask permission from the courts and the administration to exercise their constitutionally granted powers?

That's what is happening, the House is exercising their partisan impeachment powers, and the senate will shove it down their throats. Then what? Trump gets re-elected.
Why does it take 6-months to get a court decision?

The House is being criticized for having an impeachment without obtaining as much information as would be possible should Trump have decided to cooperate with their investigation. It’s ridiculous to think the House has the power to impeach but not to investigate the Executive but that’s the argument being put forth by the Trump administration. It has been failing and will fail. But Trump’s legal team also knows they can delay the courts with motion after motion. That’s why it takes so long to get a court decision and that’s why Trump is doing it. Not to win but to run out the clock.

A win is a win is a win. Grasping at straws is grasping at straws. The Trump 4-corners run out the clock strategy is perfectly legal. I'd even say more legal than the crappy game the democrats pulled with the Steele Dossier, the Mueller Investigation, and all the other attempted coups since Trump was elected. So impeach or not, play the hand you're dealt.
Chaffetz in his books always whines that the House has no enforcement power, so that is true for BOTH parties.

 

[Dragonlady]

There’s the problem though. If Trump can prevent all oversight by the legislative branch, he’s effectively removed the ability for the House to impeach.

One more time. The House needs to go to the courts to get the "official call" on what the WH needs to do or not do.
The House doesn't want to involve the 3rd branch because they know they'd lose in court.
If the House won in court Trump would have to comply, or that would be obstruction and impeachable.

Hate to break it to you but they have gone to the courts. They’ve won every case but Trump’s legal team can keep submitting illogical and dubious arguments to string this out until after the election. That’s not okay.

Of note, Trump isn’t fighting the subpoenas. They’re just ignoring them. That’s not okay either.

1. Trump has every right to appeal a court decision, until its final. That is very ok.
2. The House is ignoring the subpoenas instead of taking them to court. Nothing to do with Trump, tell the House to get off their asses and push for them.

Trump is a using the courts just like he’s abusing his office. He has no intention of winning. He just is trying to run the clock out. This is like his defamation lawsuits. He’s not trying to win with a legal argument.

The House is fighting a lawsuit with McGahn over the same issue. It’s taken 6 months for one decision. This is going to take years to litigate.

Where did we get the idea that the House has to ask permission from the courts and the administration to exercise their constitutionally granted powers?

That's what is happening, the House is exercising their partisan impeachment powers, and the senate will shove it down their throats. Then what? Trump gets re-elected.
Why does it take 6-months to get a court decision?

Because there are more cases than just Trump's obstruction of Congress.