The GOP has a stable of potential winners, the Dems have one old mare

[kaz]

And race relations are better than ever. Did you forget that prognostication?

We're working out the issues rather than ignoring them. And they've been a mother's kiss to the early 90s or mid to late 60s.

Working out the issues????!!!! Is that what you call Obama and Holders biased interference in community affairs??

Eric Garner warrants some 'interference'. The man was arrested for nothing.....and killed for it.

And race relations are better than ever. Did you forget that prognostication?

We're working out the issues rather than ignoring them. And they've been a mother's kiss to the early 90s or mid to late 60s.

Working out the issues????!!!! Is that what you call Obama and Holders biased interference in community affairs??

Eric Garner warrants some 'interference'. The man was arrested for nothing.....and killed for it.

That's the ridiculous extreme liberals constantly go to.

Its very amusing to watch the dims twist and turn trying to justify running the old, tired, lying, corrupt, failed bitch HRC. But she is all they have, they have no one else. Its hilarious.

After Republicans nominated HW, HW, Viagra Bob, W, W, McCain and Romney, call me a skeptic as to who they will pick until I see it. The Republican party's inability to pick candidates is the only chance Chillary has. Unfortunately, it's a good chance...

It seems fairly clear that Americans, stopped letting the Left pick their Candidates, shortly after Pelosi declared:

"We'll just have to pass the bill to find out what's in the bill...". After that came the mid-term Landslide defeat of the Left... after that came the GOP's choice to run Romney... and the Left's Landslide loss... except for one candidate... then in the next election came the third Landslide defeat of the Left.

That proves how off the cliff the left has been, it doesn't show the Right can pick candidates

What candidate did The Right pick? Dole? McCain? Romney? No sir... the Left picked those clowns.

Go back through this very board... throw a dart at any political discussion held in 07 and see if you can find a Leftist that was not 'advising' the Reader that 'McCain is the only Republican that has a chance against the Brown Clown'. The same was true Romney in '12.

OK, fair enough. But Republicans still listen to them. I made that same point when Romney was running for the nomination and Democrats were saying how they could hardly run a campaign against him he was such a strong candidate. I kept calling them full of shit. Obviously they were

 

[Jackson]

Working out the issues????!!!! Is that what you call Obama and Holders biased interference in community affairs??

Eric Garner warrants some 'interference'. The man was arrested for nothing.....and killed for it.

I am more objective than you appear. I grant that there was police abuse with Eric Garner's death.

You want objectivity? Check the numbers of those police departments that started using body cams to a year later.....and see how their uses of 'necessary force' plummet when they're being watched. You'll also see an accompanying drop in complaints of police uses of excessive force.

I'd say that's excellent objective evidence for the need for some interference.

And why are they wearing body cams? The reason is two fold. It captures the ENTIRE scenario, such as a felony on the part of the suspect and to make sure police are following protocol. Of course the "necessary force" has plummeted. The police aren't even going out on all calls in fear of being mugged or blamed for something they had noting for which to do.

In...San Diego? Can you back any of your narrative up with evidence?

Again, you can argue that the drop in complaints of excessive force are the product of the videos protecting cops by capturing the actual events.

But the dramatic drops in the uses of 'necessary force' that accompany the complaints of excessive force? that's a huge tell.

A tell only emphasized by cases like Walter Scott. Read the police report filed by officer Slager. Compare it to the video. And you tell me if there's need for 'interference'.

And think about this objectively: what do you think the odds are Slager would have gotten away with it if there hadn't been a video?

Then ask yourself if you think it was just random chance that the ONE case of falsified shooting accounts was captured on video.....or if it happens more often than we'd like to believe. And we just don't have video of it.

I am not going to argue that there is NO police abuse and the fact that Departments have to rid them of biased, egocentric cops. I am saying there is a two way street and both sides have to agree that cops good cops who follow protocol should be defended by not their own Commissioners and mayors but the citizens as well. Poor cops should be shown the door and done quickly. Too much is at stake. Things are not black and white (no pun intended.)

 

[Skylar]

We're working out the issues rather than ignoring them. And they've been a mother's kiss to the early 90s or mid to late 60s.

Working out the issues????!!!! Is that what you call Obama and Holders biased interference in community affairs??

Eric Garner warrants some 'interference'. The man was arrested for nothing.....and killed for it.

I am more objective than you appear. I grant that there was police abuse with Eric Garner's death.

You want objectivity? Check the numbers of those police departments that started using body cams to a year later.....and see how their uses of 'necessary force' plummet when they're being watched. You'll also see an accompanying drop in complaints of police uses of excessive force.

I'd say that's excellent objective evidence for the need for some interference.

Well, what you're seeing in those numbers is the reduction in the ASSERTIONS of 'UNNECESSARY FORCE'... when those cameras are being used.

Remember, Keys.....you don't actually have the slightest idea what you're talking about. Its a reduction of police reporting uses of NECESSARY force. These aren't accusations by citizens. These are police reporting their own actions.

This dramatic reduction in police reports of necessary force is accompanied by a reduction in citizen reporting of excessive force. See, your excuses only cover the civilian reporting. But they can't explain the police reporting of their uses of necessary force also plummeting at the exact same time.

The two together paint a very stark picture of what's happening when the police aren't being watched.

 

[rightwinger]

And race relations are better than ever. Did you forget that prognostication?

We're working out the issues rather than ignoring them. And they've been a mother's kiss to the early 90s or mid to late 60s.

Working out the issues????!!!! Is that what you call Obama and Holders biased interference in community affairs??

Eric Garner warrants some 'interference'. The man was arrested for nothing.....and killed for it.

And race relations are better than ever. Did you forget that prognostication?

We're working out the issues rather than ignoring them. And they've been a mother's kiss to the early 90s or mid to late 60s.

Working out the issues????!!!! Is that what you call Obama and Holders biased interference in community affairs??

Eric Garner warrants some 'interference'. The man was arrested for nothing.....and killed for it.

That's the ridiculous extreme liberals constantly go to.

Its very amusing to watch the dims twist and turn trying to justify running the old, tired, lying, corrupt, failed bitch HRC. But she is all they have, they have no one else. Its hilarious.

After Republicans nominated HW, HW, Viagra Bob, W, W, McCain and Romney, call me a skeptic as to who they will pick until I see it. The Republican party's inability to pick candidates is the only chance Chillary has. Unfortunately, it's a good chance...

It seems fairly clear that Americans, stopped letting the Left pick their Candidates, shortly after Pelosi declared:

"We'll just have to pass the bill to find out what's in the bill...". After that came the mid-term Landslide defeat of the Left... after that came the GOP's choice to run Romney... and the Left's Landslide loss... except for one candidate... then in the next election came the third Landslide defeat of the Left.

That proves how off the cliff the left has been, it doesn't show the Right can pick candidates

What candidate did The Right pick? Dole? McCain? Romney? No sir... the Left picked those clowns.

Go back through this very board... throw a dart at any political discussion held in 07 and see if you can find a Leftist that was not 'advising' the Reader that 'McCain is the only Republican that has a chance against the Brown Clown'. The same was true Romney in '12.

Why are conservatives so dumb that they let the left pick their candidates for them?

Maybe because their own party will not tolerate the nut balls they support

 

[Papageorgio]

How many lies and scandals will the Dems justify between now and November of next year?

Therein lies your problem

Conservatives have screamed about so many bogus lies and scandals that the public no longer pays attention

So how many of Hillary's lie do you believe? Bosnia? She was broke leaving the WH? She only knows how to put one e-mail on a phone or she only had one phone. Wait is Bosnia a lie? Was she named after Sir Hillary? How about the vast Right Wing conspiracy? Or how about Bill not having sex with Monica?

We can keep going on, but I have a tough time believing she can tell the truth.

 

[daws101]

Hillary will find out just how good her percentage points are after the first debate. Hell she can't answer a reporters questions now...what is she going to do when met with actual questions she HAS to answer during a debate? Deep down Hillary is afraid of questions because her answers will be checked and rechecked.

Nope, think HRC is scared and rightly so.

Under any SENSE of Reality... Hillary Clinton would presently be defending herself from Federal Charges ranging from violations of the RICO statutes, to TREASON.

That she is not, is a definitive sign that something well beyond 'corruption' is operating the highest levels of the United States Government.

That she is not being prosecuted is more evidence of your unsubstantiated conspiracy theories

The post you replied to answered that question. The corruption is rampant and coverup is in full force.

Oh no! Not the cover up ploy!
sure sign of makin' shit up!

Its very amusing to watch the dims twist and turn trying to justify running the old, tired, lying, corrupt, failed bitch HRC. But she is all they have, they have no one else. Its hilarious.

After Republicans nominated HW, HW, Viagra Bob, W, W, McCain and Romney, call me a skeptic as to who they will pick until I see it. The Republican party's inability to pick candidates is the only chance Chillary has. Unfortunately, it's a good chance...

And the Dems picked a community activist. I'd stop making judgments if I were you.

And The repubs picked a ptsd ridden vet and an a incredible stupid evangelical
it's not the dems judgment that's questionable.

Oh, you were doing so well until that last statement. Before the angry black man who's an empty suit in the white house, John Kerry? Are you kidding me? He was a gag candidate. Al Gore is a lunatic who says more stupid things than Dan Quayle did. Before that was your two election love of the sexual predator who caught a break by being on the good side of the internet bubble which had zero to do with him. Tsongas? Mondale? Carter? LOL, that's picking well? yeah

You'll get an anurisim yammering like that.

 

[Jackson]

How many lies and scandals will the Dems justify between now and November of next year?

Certainly a lot less than the repubs.

Have you noticed that there was no effort to cover up Hastert's crimes? No Republican or media came to his defense. That is one aspect of politician's crimes or misdemeanors that I find different than with liberals.

 

[rightwinger]

Under any SENSE of Reality... Hillary Clinton would presently be defending herself from Federal Charges ranging from violations of the RICO statutes, to TREASON.

That she is not, is a definitive sign that something well beyond 'corruption' is operating the highest levels of the United States Government.

That she is not being prosecuted is more evidence of your unsubstantiated conspiracy theories

No.. not being prosecuted is literally NOT evidence of innocence. But how ADORABLE is it that you think it is.

The Clintons are in violation of a litany of Federal Law... this is not even debatable.

That she has not been charged and is not being prosecuted for such IS, literally... evidence of a criminal conspiracy within the Federal Executive Branch.

Of course its debatable .

LOL! Yet, when you had the opportunity to do so, ya chose NOT TO.

Now, I wonder, what SHOULD we make of THAT?

Didn't know there was a time limit on debate Bengazi is a good example

Whitewater is another example...went on for eight years

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Again, you can argue that the drop in complaints of excessive force are the product of the videos protecting cops by capturing the actual events.

It can also be explained through reason; wherein Cops by their nature are honest people, doing a dangerous job, who want to make a difference in their community... and the people who typically make assertions of abuse are by their nature liars and reprobates; which is to say Leftists... .

So it follows that where cameras record interactions, that assertions of abuse would drop... .


You're speaking of arrests which come after an individual resists arrest... people do that when they believe that they've a chance to resist arrest and get away with it. Where the arrest is being recorded, the resistive efforts are counter productive because there is no potential upside in resisting, as their felonious actions will be recorded and whatever they were facing before will be added to the new Battery on a Law Enforcement Officer charges, with video evidence precluding any potential defense from such, which means a 5 year mandatory prison stretch.

That tends to discourage the desire to attack a cop, thus reduces the requirement for cops to use reasonable force to subdue a resisting arrestee.

 

[Skylar]

Eric Garner warrants some 'interference'. The man was arrested for nothing.....and killed for it.

I am more objective than you appear. I grant that there was police abuse with Eric Garner's death.

You want objectivity? Check the numbers of those police departments that started using body cams to a year later.....and see how their uses of 'necessary force' plummet when they're being watched. You'll also see an accompanying drop in complaints of police uses of excessive force.

I'd say that's excellent objective evidence for the need for some interference.

And why are they wearing body cams? The reason is two fold. It captures the ENTIRE scenario, such as a felony on the part of the suspect and to make sure police are following protocol. Of course the "necessary force" has plummeted. The police aren't even going out on all calls in fear of being mugged or blamed for something they had noting for which to do.

In...San Diego? Can you back any of your narrative up with evidence?

Again, you can argue that the drop in complaints of excessive force are the product of the videos protecting cops by capturing the actual events.

But the dramatic drops in the uses of 'necessary force' that accompany the complaints of excessive force? that's a huge tell.

A tell only emphasized by cases like Walter Scott. Read the police report filed by officer Slager. Compare it to the video. And you tell me if there's need for 'interference'.

And think about this objectively: what do you think the odds are Slager would have gotten away with it if there hadn't been a video?

Then ask yourself if you think it was just random chance that the ONE case of falsified shooting accounts was captured on video.....or if it happens more often than we'd like to believe. And we just don't have video of it.

I am not going to argue that there is NO police abuse and the fact that Departments have to rid them of biased, egocentric cops. I am saying there is a two way street and both sides have to agree that cops good cops who follow protocol should be defended by not their own Commissioners and mayors but the citizens as well. Poor cops should be shown the door and done quickly. Too much is at stake. Things are not black and white (no pun intended.)

These are not random, individual cases. The reduction of reports by police of uses of necessary force was for an entire police force in a major metropolitan area for an entire year. If the police uses of force were necessary in 2013 when the San Diego police weren't being watched...why did so much of those uses of force magically become unnecessary in 2014 when the police were being watched by bodycams?

Your 'two way street' argument doesn't account for the police reporting of their OWN acts of force plummeting.

 

[Papageorgio]

How many lies and scandals will the Dems justify between now and November of next year?

Certainly a lot less than the repubs.

Considering there are 20 Republican candidates to one, you may have a point.

Which of Hillary's lies do you believe? Benghazi? She has only one cell phone? She didn't know she need to use government e-mails? What about under fire in Bosnia, that was compelling.

Which ones do you believe?

 

[Jackson]

How many lies and scandals will the Dems justify between now and November of next year?

Certainly a lot less than the repubs.

Nit so, Republicans stand away from politicians found in contempt of the laws. Look at Hastert. See any republicans saying, "Oh, it's a liberal overcharging this man? No. He's on his own and right Let him go to jail if found guilty. And I am a leaning coinservative

 

[rightwinger]

How many lies and scandals will the Dems justify between now and November of next year?

Therein lies your problem

Conservatives have screamed about so many bogus lies and scandals that the public no longer pays attention

So how many of Hillary's lie do you believe? Bosnia? She was broke leaving the WH? She only knows how to put one e-mail on a phone or she only had one phone. Wait is Bosnia a lie? Was she named after Sir Hillary? How about the vast Right Wing conspiracy? Or how about Bill not having sex with Monica?

We can keep going on, but I have a tough time believing she can tell the truth.

Therein lies your problem

These things get big AirPlay in the conservative media and you think the rest of the country gives a shit

 

[Skylar]

Eric Garner warrants some 'interference'. The man was arrested for nothing.....and killed for it.

I am more objective than you appear. I grant that there was police abuse with Eric Garner's death.

You want objectivity? Check the numbers of those police departments that started using body cams to a year later.....and see how their uses of 'necessary force' plummet when they're being watched. You'll also see an accompanying drop in complaints of police uses of excessive force.

I'd say that's excellent objective evidence for the need for some interference.

And why are they wearing body cams? The reason is two fold. It captures the ENTIRE scenario, such as a felony on the part of the suspect and to make sure police are following protocol. Of course the "necessary force" has plummeted. The police aren't even going out on all calls in fear of being mugged or blamed for something they had noting for which to do.

In...San Diego? Can you back any of your narrative up with evidence?

Again, you can argue that the drop in complaints of excessive force are the product of the videos protecting cops by capturing the actual events.

But the dramatic drops in the uses of 'necessary force' that accompany the complaints of excessive force? that's a huge tell.

A tell only emphasized by cases like Walter Scott. Read the police report filed by officer Slager. Compare it to the video. And you tell me if there's need for 'interference'.

And think about this objectively: what do you think the odds are Slager would have gotten away with it if there hadn't been a video?

Then ask yourself if you think it was just random chance that the ONE case of falsified shooting accounts was captured on video.....or if it happens more often than we'd like to believe. And we just don't have video of it.

It can also be explained through reason; wherein Cops by their nature are honest people, doing a dangerous job, who want to make a difference in their community... and the people who typically make assertions of abuse are by their nature liars and reprobates; which is to say Leftists... .

Again, you aren't reading what you're responding to. As the cops SELF REPORTING of uses of necessary force plummeted when they were being watched by bodycams. If the uses of force were 'necessary' when they weren't being watched......why did they suddenly become unnecessary when the cops were being watched?

You have no explanation. I do: much of the uses of force when the cops weren't being watched weren't necessary. This is reinforced by the fact that the complains of excessive force made by civilians ALSO dropped dramatically as the cops self reporting of uses of necessary force dropped.

One or the other you might explain away. Both happening together at the exact same time in the exact same city regarding the exact same police force?

You can't.

 

[Papageorgio]

How many lies and scandals will the Dems justify between now and November of next year?

Therein lies your problem

Conservatives have screamed about so many bogus lies and scandals that the public no longer pays attention

So how many of Hillary's lie do you believe? Bosnia? She was broke leaving the WH? She only knows how to put one e-mail on a phone or she only had one phone. Wait is Bosnia a lie? Was she named after Sir Hillary? How about the vast Right Wing conspiracy? Or how about Bill not having sex with Monica?

We can keep going on, but I have a tough time believing she can tell the truth.

Therein lies your problem

These things get big AirPlay in the conservative media and you think the rest of the country gives a shit

So which ones do you believe, she is you potential candidate and you trust her, so do you believe all her lies or don't believe she lied or you just pick and choose when to believe her?

I'm not sure how you guys have it figured.

 

[Jackson]

I am more objective than you appear. I grant that there was police abuse with Eric Garner's death.

You want objectivity? Check the numbers of those police departments that started using body cams to a year later.....and see how their uses of 'necessary force' plummet when they're being watched. You'll also see an accompanying drop in complaints of police uses of excessive force.

I'd say that's excellent objective evidence for the need for some interference.

And why are they wearing body cams? The reason is two fold. It captures the ENTIRE scenario, such as a felony on the part of the suspect and to make sure police are following protocol. Of course the "necessary force" has plummeted. The police aren't even going out on all calls in fear of being mugged or blamed for something they had noting for which to do.

In...San Diego? Can you back any of your narrative up with evidence?

Again, you can argue that the drop in complaints of excessive force are the product of the videos protecting cops by capturing the actual events.

But the dramatic drops in the uses of 'necessary force' that accompany the complaints of excessive force? that's a huge tell.

A tell only emphasized by cases like Walter Scott. Read the police report filed by officer Slager. Compare it to the video. And you tell me if there's need for 'interference'.

And think about this objectively: what do you think the odds are Slager would have gotten away with it if there hadn't been a video?

Then ask yourself if you think it was just random chance that the ONE case of falsified shooting accounts was captured on video.....or if it happens more often than we'd like to believe. And we just don't have video of it.

I am not going to argue that there is NO police abuse and the fact that Departments have to rid them of biased, egocentric cops. I am saying there is a two way street and both sides have to agree that cops good cops who follow protocol should be defended by not their own Commissioners and mayors but the citizens as well. Poor cops should be shown the door and done quickly. Too much is at stake. Things are not black and white (no pun intended.)

These are not random, individual cases. The reduction of reports by police of uses of necessary force was for an entire police force in a major metropolitan area for an entire year. If the police uses of force were necessary in 2013 when the San Diego police weren't being watched...why did so much of those uses of force magically become unnecessary in 2014 when the police were being watched by bodycams?

Your 'two way street' argument doesn't account for the police reporting of their OWN acts of force plummeting.

And you are not going to grant that an effect of this "complaints of necessary force plummeting" is the fact that the police are just not doing their job for fear of ending up in court? The cities are going to end up like Detroit. If a police officer DOES respond, it's at least half an hour late. The good citizens of the cities deserve better than that but this is what is happening.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

That she is not being prosecuted is more evidence of your unsubstantiated conspiracy theories

No.. not being prosecuted is literally NOT evidence of innocence. But how ADORABLE is it that you think it is.

The Clintons are in violation of a litany of Federal Law... this is not even debatable.

That she has not been charged and is not being prosecuted for such IS, literally... evidence of a criminal conspiracy within the Federal Executive Branch.

Of course its debatable .

LOL! Yet, when you had the opportunity to do so, ya chose NOT TO.

Now, I wonder, what SHOULD we make of THAT?

Didn't know there was a time limit on debate Bengazi is a good example

Whitewater is another example...went on for eight years

Whitewater was a criminal syndicate... the investigation of it resulted in numerous felony arrests from the sitting governor of Arkansas, to every partner relevant to the enterprise except the Clintons. Who were as guilty as the others, but who escaped charges, by virtue of the untimely deaths of the witnesses.

 

[Skylar]

And you are not going to grant that an effect of this "complaints of necessary force plummeting" is the fact that the police are just not doing their job for fear of ending up in court?

In San Diego? Nope. The exact opposite is true:

San Diego sees spike in felony arrest rate

Over the past five years, the felony arrest rate has steadily risen in San Diego County, according to a report released by the San Diego Association of Governments (SANDAG) Tuesday.

The report found that the felony arrest rate in 2013 was eight percent higher than it was in 2009. Five years ago, felonies represented 28 percent of all adult arrests. In 2014 that rose to 35 percent.

In 2013, San Diego had the second highest adult arrest rate in California, at 35.9 arrests per 1,000 population, behind only San Bernardino County. It also had the highest juvenile arrest rate in the state at 25.8. The adult arrest rate still marked a significant drop from five years ago, when it was at 41.9.

San Diego sees spike in felony arrest rate - 10News.com KGTV ABC10 San Diego

So that's two of your baseless excuses that are down. How many more are you going to make up before you accept the distinct possibility that the reduction in uses of force are because the police are being watched?

You're copping a squat over any semblance of 'objectivity' the more you bend over backwards with made up excuses that don't match the evidence.

 

[rightwinger]

How many lies and scandals will the Dems justify between now and November of next year?

Therein lies your problem

Conservatives have screamed about so many bogus lies and scandals that the public no longer pays attention

So how many of Hillary's lie do you believe? Bosnia? She was broke leaving the WH? She only knows how to put one e-mail on a phone or she only had one phone. Wait is Bosnia a lie? Was she named after Sir Hillary? How about the vast Right Wing conspiracy? Or how about Bill not having sex with Monica?

We can keep going on, but I have a tough time believing she can tell the truth.

Therein lies your problem

These things get big AirPlay in the conservative media and you think the rest of the country gives a shit

So which ones do you believe, she is you potential candidate and you trust her, so do you believe all her lies or don't believe she lied or you just pick and choose when to believe her?

I'm not sure how you guys have it figured.

I lean towards don't give a shit

I have seen enough of the rightwing circle jerk where they take quotes out of context and then misinterpret them. Gets good play on Fox, but the rest of the country is tired of you crying wolf

 

[Jackson]

And you are not going to grant that an effect of this "complaints of necessary force plummeting" is the fact that the police are just not doing their job for fear of ending up in court?

In San Diego? Nope. The exact opposite is true:

San Diego sees spike in felony arrest rate

Over the past five years, the felony arrest rate has steadily risen in San Diego County, according to a report released by the San Diego Association of Governments (SANDAG) Tuesday.

The report found that the felony arrest rate in 2013 was eight percent higher than it was in 2009. Five years ago, felonies represented 28 percent of all adult arrests. In 2014 that rose to 35 percent.

In 2013, San Diego had the second highest adult arrest rate in California, at 35.9 arrests per 1,000 population, behind only San Bernardino County. It also had the highest juvenile arrest rate in the state at 25.8. The adult arrest rate still marked a significant drop from five years ago, when it was at 41.9.

San Diego sees spike in felony arrest rate - 10News.com KGTV ABC10 San Diego

So that's two of your baseless excuses that are down. How many more are you going to make up before you accept the distinct possibility that the reduction in uses of force are because the police are being watched?

You're copping a squat over any semblance of 'objectivity' the more you bend over backwards with made up excuses that don't match the evidence.

So, what was the arrest rate since Ferguson came into play?