The God Vacuum: America and the barbarian hordes

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    The God Vacuum

     
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    I can't believe people not only read this stuff, but actually believe it...
     
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    I cant believe there are people so blind to reality that they dont see whats right in front of them.
     
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    what can i say but.......... muslims are a strange lot..............
     
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    I see it every day...religious folk are a strange lot....
     
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    Correction: You mean Agnostic/Athiest/Secularist types
     
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    To paraphrase Abraham Lincoln, "...We trust that God is on our side.
    It is more important to know that we are on God's side...."

    And don't be so quick to believe that you, or anyone else for that matter, knows what some entity, derived from purely metaphysical speculation, desires. Such knowledge is more a product of human desire and ego than of any divine entity.
     
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    They <i>can</I> be a strange lot, particularly when they fail to understand the Bible as the allegory it is and accept it as the literal truth.
     
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    Excellent, bully, excellent.

    Now check out my contribution. I'll expand your idea a little bit.

    You'll see it's not only metaphysical speculation, but a speculation that does not take into account the most fundamental biological trait shared by all life forms.
     
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    I'm always amazed at people who says an uncreated universe is absurd, but accepts without any problem the existence of a being who is not composed of matter.

    Matter is an absolute requirement for life to exist. If it is a life form it has to be made of matter.,, viruses, plants, frogs, lions, humans... you name it...

    Now this individuals talk about a life form, and not only a life form, but an intelligent life form, who is not made of neither matter nor energy.

    A life form that not does not have any of the other physiological imperatives required for intelligent life to exist: a nervous system, cardiovascular, respiratory etc etc

    It's absolutely unbelievable to see the way they talk about this being as if it was the most natural thing in the world, as if they didn't have to explain how an intelligent being can exist without any of the most basic biological requirements of all life forms.

    They discard the mechanicist/materialist explanation of the Universe as absurd just to declare their faith, 10 seconds latter, in an even greater absurdity:

    An intelligent being who's not composed of matter and not even energy, an spiritual being (spirit being coded language for made of nothing).

    This is an argument often neglected in discussions about the origin of the Universe and I can't understand why because it is an incredibly powerful argument.
     
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