The God of Abraham, as Described in The Torah, The New Testament and The Koran

[Indeependent]

The difference is that Abraham was able to deal with an unknowable God.
A God neither physical nor metaphysical.
But it's possible Islam believes the same.

 

[The Irish Ram]

The difference is that Abraham was able to deal with an unknowable God.
A God neither physical nor metaphysical.
But it's possible Islam believes the same.

Abraham sat around the campfire with God. God ate Sarah's stew with His mouth. They walked together, talked, bargained with each other. They laughed.......
They made promises to each other that still exist for Abraham and his children today. They considered each other as friends! Friends tend to know each other pretty well.

 

[AVG-JOE]

The God of Abraham, as described in The Torah, The New Testament and The Koran...

Is there any good reason not to lump ALL of the followers of this God in to one dysfunctional subset of humanity?

Yes there is.

They do NOT all believe the same insane shit you find in the old testament.

You are now attempting to lump together over 2 billion people, with wildly different belief systems.

AvgJoe normally you are one of this boards most enlighten posters, but here you are now doing the same stupid assed thing that every fucking totalitarian nitwit on this board advocates.

You are asking our permission to stop thinking clearly and to give yourself the right to COLLECTIVE JUDGEMENT of people based on some goofy notuion that they are ALL THE SAME.

Shame on you.

You know better than this..

As I said, Brother... It's not the message or the faith or the religion that I'm asking about.

It's the Deity.

I find it interesting that so much violence has been and is being fomented by various followers of The God of Abraham as described in The Torah, The New Testament and The Koran.

What's so wrong about recognizing that it all comes back to the same Named Deity?

 

[The Irish Ram]

What is wrong with it is you are trying to place the onus on God for the actions of men. You are trying to trace the followers actions back to the source. Thing is, the followers ARE the source of violence, and hatred toward their fellow man. Place responsibility where it belongs.

Followers make mistakes. God never does. So trace the violence to the followers of the God of Abraham and everything else we choose to follow, and leave the Deity out of it. The followers do......
Violence, hatred, conceit, murder= man.
Forgiveness, gentleness, mercy, and love =The God of Abraham. The one true God.

That we don't get it has nothing to do with the Deity who grieves over our lack of understanding and love for one another.

 

[Ceminus]

First let me say I will not say which G-d(s) I follow. I would just like to point out a few things for thought.

1.) Science does not preclude the idea of God(s), after all what is God(s), something more advanced than us, a creator of an Universe? Til we can answer all questions to the meaning of the universe its just not a simple science has proven this or that, after all we barely comprehend the basic workings of our universe little alone is there something so great we can barely perceive it.

2.) God(s) is our way of trying to grasp something much beyond our rudimentary existence, to think on God(s) is to open yourself up to a larger possible perspective of the universe, I don't condemn God(s) on the basis of what people have done in the name of God(s).

3.) Why is it my neighbor believing in one God, two God(s) or even three the most pressing issue, we all have a right to try to comprehend these questions but it is an individual right, me forcing my beliefs is not the same as me bringing someone to God(s), its just forcing something on someone that may not even agree with my point of view.

4.)To be honest I am disappointed by most people who claim a belief, one most haven't thought through what they believe, and worse yet force it on others, God(s) or no God(s), most fall short of their own beliefs they cling to, I think most really thing harder on how to be a better person in the name of their beliefs more often than not.

5.) My last point sorry for the length, but it is this; God(s) i think should make us better as a people so my belief in or not I hope brings me better understanding of other people, love other people and try to overcome my shortfalls when it comes to dealing with them. God(s) too often come under attack by our own failings. (Nothing in this post is meant as an attack or criticism of anyone's values, just food for thought)

 

[Nutz]

I don't like feeding my faith to the anti-Christian zealots so let me approach it like this...Liberals look at government one way; conservatives have a different view of the same government. The American government is of the people. Define government. Same question, same premise. How can government exist when there are different points of views?

Why is it illogical or so unheard of that people have different opinions, interpretations, philosophies and ideals?

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

This is not only sound philosophy but a proven truth... A good tree cannot produce bad fruit and a bad tree cannot produce good fruit. If it is producing bad fruit or no fruit at all there is something wrong with the tree.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

The difference is that Abraham was able to deal with an unknowable God.
A God neither physical nor metaphysical.
But it's possible Islam believes the same.

Abraham sat around the campfire with God. God ate Sarah's stew with His mouth. They walked together, talked, bargained with each other. They laughed.......
They made promises to each other that still exist for Abraham and his children today. They considered each other as friends! Friends tend to know each other pretty well.

I love where that line of thought leads to! What a great post, Irish Ram!

 

[Vandalshandle]

"...God said to Abraham, "Kill me a son".
Abe said, "Man, you must be putting me on!"
God said, "No", Abe said, "What?"
God said, "You can do what you want to, but
the next time you see me comin', you'd better run!"
Abe said, "Where do you want this killin' done?"
God said, "Over out on Highway 61".

Dylan

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Great thread, Joe!

 

[AVG-JOE]

Hmmm...

I saw this on the FB and I thought of this thread.

I know that this oversimplifies it, but it's funny 'cause it's true.

 

[Statistikhengst]

Hmmm...

I saw this on the FB and I thought of this thread.

I know that this oversimplifies it, but it's funny 'cause it's true.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Well Reader, they're down to Bill Maher as a reference source.

If that isn't ROCK BOTTOM... it can't be far from it.

 

[AVG-JOE]

So... I can guess how you feel about the source, any thoughts on the content?

Even a broken clock is correct twice a day, ass-u-me-ing it doesn't read in military time.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Jesus was many things. A socialist is not one of them.

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[Where_r_my_Keys]

Jesus was many things. A socialist is not one of them.

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Would ya care to enlighten us as to where Jesus required that one confiscate the property of others to give to the poor? To reject all sense of personal responsibility, to reject God, God's Law and the Laws of Nature?

I'm fairly familiar with the Scriptures and I don't recall Jesus ever requiring his followers to embrace evil.

Maybe you can narrow your contest to something lucid.

(Reader, Evil is irrational, thus you will not be seeing a lucid response from the above noted adherent to such.)

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

So... I can guess how you feel about the source, any thoughts on the content?

The Content is as illegitimate as the source.

But hey... in your defense; as a Leftist, you're as delusional as the source, so there is NO WAY that you could have known that.