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[Old Rocks]

LOL. Your people, ol' Bushie, and company, failed to protect America. 3000 Americans murdered on American soil. Then let the perpetrator of that horror get away with it.

And what family bankrolled the business failures of ol' Bushie? Was this payback?

 

[namvet]

your pardon. Clinton mudered em. he should have been put up agianst a wall and his fuckin head blown off

 

[Old Rocks]

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A mere 38 days after taking office, the World Trade Center is attacked for the first time. Clinton captures and imprisons Ramzi Yousef, Abdul Hakim Murad, and Wali Khan Amin Shah.

January 1994: Clinton's first crime bill provides for stringent anti-terrorism measures, as does the more specifically targetted Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996. Clinton also requested and received funding for sponsoring simulated terrorist attacks to test the effectiveness of municpal response teams.

July 1996: Congressional Republicans object to Clinton's proposed expansion of the intelligence agencies wiretap authority. Newt Gingrich tells Fox News Sunday: "When you have an agency that turns 900 personnel files over to people like Craig Livingstone... it's very hard to justify giving the agency more power."

September 1996: Republicans in Congress refuse all of Clinton's requested counterterrorism spending. Orrin Hatch (R-UT): "The administration would be wise to utilize the resources Congress has already provided before it requests additional funding."

Summer 1998: Clinton issues series of top secret directives to the CIA authorizing the assassination of Osama Bin Laden and several of his top lieutenants.

August 1998: Alleged chemical weapons factories in Sudan are bombed. The bombings are met with bipartisan approval: "The President did exactly the right thing. By doing this we're sending the signal there are no sancturies for terrorists." -Newt Gingrich. Richard Clarke, counterterrorism expert under both Bush and Clinton, testifying before the 9-11 commission, on the bombing: "To this day, there are a lot of people who believe that it was not related to a terrorist group, not related to chemical weapons. They're wrong, by the way. But the President had decided in PDD-39 that there should be a low threshold of evidence when it comes to the possibility of terrorists getting their access -- getting their hands on chemical weapons. And he acted on that basis."

Paul Bremer to the Washington Post on Clinton: "he correctly focused on bin Laden". "Overall, I give him very high remarks" - Robert Oakley, Reagan counterterrorism czar.

 

[namvet]

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A mere 38 days after taking office, the World Trade Center is attacked for the first time. Clinton captures and imprisons Ramzi Yousef, Abdul Hakim Murad, and Wali Khan Amin Shah.

January 1994: Clinton's first crime bill provides for stringent anti-terrorism measures, as does the more specifically targetted Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996. Clinton also requested and received funding for sponsoring simulated terrorist attacks to test the effectiveness of municpal response teams.

July 1996: Congressional Republicans object to Clinton's proposed expansion of the intelligence agencies wiretap authority. Newt Gingrich tells Fox News Sunday: "When you have an agency that turns 900 personnel files over to people like Craig Livingstone... it's very hard to justify giving the agency more power."

September 1996: Republicans in Congress refuse all of Clinton's requested counterterrorism spending. Orrin Hatch (R-UT): "The administration would be wise to utilize the resources Congress has already provided before it requests additional funding."

Summer 1998: Clinton issues series of top secret directives to the CIA authorizing the assassination of Osama Bin Laden and several of his top lieutenants.

August 1998: Alleged chemical weapons factories in Sudan are bombed. The bombings are met with bipartisan approval: "The President did exactly the right thing. By doing this we're sending the signal there are no sancturies for terrorists." -Newt Gingrich. Richard Clarke, counterterrorism expert under both Bush and Clinton, testifying before the 9-11 commission, on the bombing: "To this day, there are a lot of people who believe that it was not related to a terrorist group, not related to chemical weapons. They're wrong, by the way. But the President had decided in PDD-39 that there should be a low threshold of evidence when it comes to the possibility of terrorists getting their access -- getting their hands on chemical weapons. And he acted on that basis."

Paul Bremer to the Washington Post on Clinton: "he correctly focused on bin Laden". "Overall, I give him very high remarks" - Robert Oakley, Reagan counterterrorism czar.

Summer 1998: Clinton issues series of top secret directives to the CIA authorizing the assassination of Osama Bin Laden and several of his top lieutenants.

 

[Old Rocks]

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August 6: George Tenet delivers to the vacationing Bush a memo entitled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.", saying al Qaeda is planning on hijacking planes and possibly attacking New York. No action is taken. The next day Bush tells the press pool "I've got a lot of national secuirty concerns that we're working on - Iraq, Macedonia, very worrisome right now."

August 16: INS arrests Moussaoui, saying he's "the type of person who could fly something into the World Trade Center".

August 25th: Bush still on vacation. Clarke's memo of fighting terrorism still sitting around, waiting for his attention. Bush tells press "Spot's a good runner. You know, Barney-terriers are bred to go into holes and pull out varmint. And Spotty chases birds. Spotty's a great water dog. I'll go fly fishing this afternoon on my lake." Later builds a nature trail.

Feeling the heat in August about an "imminent terrorist attack", acting FBI Director Thomas Pickard requests an additional $58 million in anti-terrorism funding from the Department of Justice.
September 5: Eight months after Rice had been briefed, and 11 months after Clinton suggested Bush create it, Clarke's plan finally reaches the principals comittee. Bush is back from his month-long August vacation. Cheney, Rice, Powell, and Rumsfeld decide to advise Bush to adopt Clarke's plan with a phased in approach. They wait several days before they put it on his desk.1

September 9: The Senate Armed Services Committe recommends shifting $814 million from missile defense to anti-terrorism funding. Secretary Rumsfeld informs the Senate that he will recommend the President veto this.

September 10: Ashcroft sends his budget request to Bush. Includes spending increases in 68 different programs, none of which deal with terrorism. Ashcroft passes around a memo to his department of his seven top priorities, again terrorism isn't on the list. Acting FBI Director Pickard receives Ashcroft's official denial for Pickard's request for more anti-terrorism funding.

September 11: Using hijacked airliners, Saudi and Egyptian members of al Qaeda attack the World Trade Center and Pentagon, killing thousands. Another hijacked airline crashes to earth in eastern Pennsylvania, apparently brought down as part of a battle between the hijackers and the passengers. Military moves to DefCon 3, all domestic flights are grounded.

September 11-15: Some 142 Saudi nationals, including 24 members of the bin Laden family, are allowed to fly out of the country.

November: Clinton's "defunct, cut, non-battle ready military" kicks the crap out of Afghanistan.
Military is so dismantled it prompts Lawrence J. Korb, director of national secuirty studies at the Council of Foreign Relations, to say after the Iraq invasion "[t]he fact of the matter is that most of the credit for the successful military operation should go to the Clinton Admnistration."

There will, of course, always be those who close their eyes to inconvenient facts, but even

 

[Old Rocks]

Well, Nam, you can ignore the facts. The rest of us will not. You, and others like you, saddled this nation with the worst President and administration in our history. And we have paid for it in blood.

 

[Toronado3800]

your pardon. Clinton mudered em. he should have been put up agianst a wall and his fuckin head blown off

Loosely put, wasn't Reagan the one who gave the Mujahideen Stinger missiles and trained Osama's buddies how to shoot down Russian helicopters?

It's the trick of hindsight to wonder if the world would be a better place with Russian occupation and babysitting of Afghanistan during the 90's or even today. Especially the USSR of Gorbachev. But still it shows a certain lack of foresight, a blind hatred of communism, and a poor understanding of how dangerous our "allies" were to be funding the wrong side in that war.

 

[namvet]

your pardon. Clinton mudered em. he should have been put up agianst a wall and his fuckin head blown off

Loosely put, wasn't Reagan the one who gave the Mujahideen Stinger missiles and trained Osama's buddies how to shoot down Russian helicopters?

It's the trick of hindsight to wonder if the world would be a better place with Russian occupation and babysitting of Afghanistan during the 90's or even today. Especially the USSR of Gorbachev. But still it shows a certain lack of foresight, a blind hatred of communism, and a poor understanding of how dangerous our "allies" were to be funding the wrong side in that war.

Loosely put, wasn't Reagan the one who gave the Mujahideen Stinger missiles and trained Osama's buddies how to shoot down Russian helicopters?

I don't see any connection here at all. the point is ????

 

[Toronado3800]

IF the Russians were the occupiers of Afghanistan then the first targets of the modern Mujahideen (Taliban, Al Qaeda) would presumably be Russian.

If the Russians kicked butt and put down the opposition in Afghanistan things would obviously be different. We can only dream they would have killed this fella.
Osama bin Laden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

After leaving college in 1979 bin Laden joined Abdullah Azzam to fight the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan[44] and lived for a time in Peshawar.[45]

That is where the tie in is.

More ideally the Russians would have broke themselves fighting that war and we'd have neither enemy to deal with. I have a certain longing for the good ol days when we were only involved in a Cold War and the occasional Korea, Vietnam, Angola type wars far from home.

 

[namvet]

IF the Russians were the occupiers of Afghanistan then the first targets of the modern Mujahideen (Taliban, Al Qaeda) would presumably be Russian.

If the Russians kicked butt and put down the opposition in Afghanistan things would obviously be different. We can only dream they would have killed this fella.
Osama bin Laden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

After leaving college in 1979 bin Laden joined Abdullah Azzam to fight the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan[44] and lived for a time in Peshawar.[45]

That is where the tie in is.

More ideally the Russians would have broke themselves fighting that war and we'd have neither enemy to deal with. I have a certain longing for the good ol days when we were only involved in a Cold War and the occasional Korea, Vietnam, Angola type wars far from home.

thank you for telling me something i already knew. Afghanistan was Russia's vietnam. all reagan did was help insure the Russians failed. payback time. at this time in history bin laden was a new meal at taco bell.

 

[Toronado3800]

In my opinion we aided the greater evil in the war between the Russians and Afghanistan.

BTW. Thanks for the keeping the conversation on a level basis. I respect your point of views even when I do disagree. Heck, sometimes I just like sprouting off opposing ideas. When folks resort to cussing each other out here it gets old.