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6. "...it is not difficult to understand...of seizing the South China Sea, ...when briefing papers are telling them of untold riches of the sea. According to estimates...Nansha's ( the eighth largest island of Spratly Islands and the fourth largest among Philippine-occupied Spratly islands) oil reserves total over 10 billion tons..."
From the novel "Dragon Strike," by Hawksley
Pity you can't see further than that big red nose of yours.
Nope... Just can't see risking WWIII over some crappy little Islands the Filipinos are too dirt poor to develop, anyway...
So one more time- Tell me why it's my problem if China takes these Islands in THEIR sea?
And now for an explanation of the difference between you and I........one a level even you can understand.
The Dog and the Wolf
Somehow, I doubt you have ever signed up for the Military to protect your freedoms... you let someone else do that.
The Chinese aren't out to enslave us. They aren't even out to conquer the Philippines, because who want to inherit THAT mess?
China has three venues for expansion. North, East and South. It is unlikely to expand in the Pacific where it will be checked by Japan and the US. A vast continent with a sparse population lies to the south with a number of islands or stepping stones in between. Although I do not think there will be a WWIII, that would be the most likely scenario and then about 2050.There is an old saying: "War is God's way of teaching Americans geography."
Ambrose Bierce
And today's geography lesson will introduce the ineluctable lead-up to WWIII.
Just as blood keeps the human organism alive, oil is the life's-blood of an industrial nation....imagine how absurd it would be for the leader of an modern nation to suggest...'Well, seeing as how much trouble and strife oil causes....our nation is going on a ten-year plan to wean ourselves off oil and all the other petroleum products.'
(Did somebody say 'Obama'??)
Contrary to the fables spread by Liberals....there are no alternatives to petroleum.
Here....the facts about oil, China, and the future.....WWIII.
1. "For China the problem was particularly acute: by the turn of the century, after years of an average growth of 7 percent in demand, it was faciang a shortfall in oil of 3,500,000 tons a year and this had to be met by imports. Its efforts to find oil in home waters had been to little avail: the East China Sea produced some modest gas finds but no oil to speak of.
The best find was a huge gas reservoir off the south coast of the Hainan Island at the northern end of the South China Sea, and an 800 km. sub-marine pipeline had been constructed to pipe 2,900,000 cubic meters of gas a day to fire a power station in Hong Kong."
From the novel "Dragon Strike," by Hawksley
a. " State media says China has found more than 100 billion cubic meters of natural gas in the politically volatile South China Sea.
The natural gas was discovered at the Lingshui 17-2 gas field, 150 kilometers south of southern Hainan island. "
China says natural gas found off Hainan s shores - The Standard
2. "Onshore, the application of new drilling techniques succeeded in extracting more oil from the Daqing field in the north-east, China's most productive- indeed the north-eastern oilfields accounted for 70 % of onshore production."
From the novel "Dragon Strike," by Hawksley
a. " Annual crude oil output at Daqing Oil Field, China's largest oil field, will fall to 30 million tons by 2010, a steep drop of 18.4 million tons from last year's level, Xinhua news agency reported yesterday.
Daqing's crude output will shrink by 7 percent yearly in the following seven years. Its crude output is expected to drop to 20 million tons by 2020, said Gai Ruyin, mayor of Daqing City in Heilongjiang Province.
The report also said there is only 500 million tons of recoverable oil reserve left in the country's largest oil field,..."
China s Daqing Oil Field Passes Peak
What to do....what to do...??
Pity you can't see further than that big red nose of yours.
Nope... Just can't see risking WWIII over some crappy little Islands the Filipinos are too dirt poor to develop, anyway...
So one more time- Tell me why it's my problem if China takes these Islands in THEIR sea?
And now for an explanation of the difference between you and I........one a level even you can understand.
The Dog and the Wolf
Somehow, I doubt you have ever signed up for the Military to protect your freedoms... you let someone else do that.
The Chinese aren't out to enslave us. They aren't even out to conquer the Philippines, because who want to inherit THAT mess?
Those are people who get paid to have theories. They are not paid to invest capital.Meh...there are only droplets of oil in the Spratleys. If there was oil, people would be drilling wells...but they are not.
This is just China being assholes.
I have a feeling that the appellation may just stick to you.
The South China Sea holds an estimated 190 trillion cubic feet of natural gas and 11 billion barrels of oil in proved and probable reserves, with much more potentially undiscovered.
South China Sea Energy Exploration and Development | Asia ...
South China Sea Energy Exploration and Development | Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative
I'd suggest you stick to posting only about things you actually know about.....but then you'd disappear from the board.
Think of the petroleum estimates of the USGS, and how many wells they drill.
At the end of the day, no one is taking the risk of drilling wells.
"...only droplets of oil...."
That's what you said.
So, China is risking loss of face at the least, and war in the worst case over only droplets of oil.
I believe you've been put in your place.....last seat in the dumb row.
Although the conclusion is hardly in doubt, let's give you a little IQ test: can you count to potato?
The entire issue is establishing and saving face. A common asian cultural trait.
Petroleum resources are a sideshow. A convenient distraction.
" State media says China has found more than 100 billion cubic meters of natural gas in the politically volatile South China Sea.
The natural gas was discovered at the Lingshui 17-2 gas field, 150 kilometers south of southern Hainan island. "
China says natural gas found off Hainan s shores - The Standard
"...it is not difficult to understand...of seizing the South China Sea, ...when briefing papers are telling them of untold riches of the sea. According to estimates...Nansha's ( the eighth largest island of Spratly Islands and the fourth largest among Philippine-occupied Spratly islands) oil reserves total over 10 billion tons..."
From the novel "Dragon Strike," by Hawksley
a. " In 1968, oil was discovered in the region.[4]The Geology and Mineral Resources Ministry of the People's Republic of China (PRC) has estimated that the Spratly area holds oil and natural gas reserves of 17.7 billion tons (1.60 × 1010kg),[citation needed]compared to the 13 billion tons (1.17 × 1010kg) held byKuwait, placing it as, potentially, the fourth largest reserve bed in the world. These large potential reserves have assisted in intensifying the territorial claims of the neighbouring countries." Spratly Islands dispute - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
"So you want your own private island? China certainly does. It has been building manmade bases over some of the Spratly Islands in the South China Sea since 2014, much to the annoyance of other powers in the region—the Philippines, Malaysia, Vietnam, and Japan all lay claim to parts of the sea, which is a valuable trade passage and fishing ground. On Monday the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) confirmed the completion of another Chinese man-made island, China’s Fiery Cross Island, and the new land is now ready for use as a military base.
The U.S. estimates China has added 3,200 acres of land on seven features (which includes rocky outcrops and reefs) over the past three years, although China denies it is militarizing the islands it has built. Last week, Chinese Premier Li Keqiang said that the defense equipment on the islands was there to maintain "freedom of navigation". Fiery Cross reef, once merely a mass of rocks and a coral reef, now has a runway and several other buildings, including basketball courts and a running track. The island joins several other military bases in the South China Sea, adding extra aerial capacity to existing naval resources and mobile missile launchers.
“Beijing can now deploy military assets, including combat aircraft and mobile missile launchers to the Spratly Islands at any time,” said the Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative (AMTI) on Monday in a report that included images of the three man-made islands—Fiery Cross reef, Subi, and Mischief. Its director Greg Poling told Voice of America that new antennas had been spotted on Subi and Fiery Cross, so he expected deployments there soon."
How China is building its new territory in the South China Sea
You should get in touch with the Chinese forthwith.....imagine the money you could save them.
It appears that the difference between your post and truth is akin to the difference between a lightning bug and lightning.
Ok, take the Gulf of Mexico as an example. Look at the international boundaries. Mexico could claim everything up to Pensacola, and the US could claim everything down to Veracruz. But they settled on an east west line at the Rio.
Ok, take the Gulf of Mexico as an example. Look at the international boundaries. Mexico could claim everything up to Pensacola, and the US could claim everything down to Veracruz. But they settled on an east west line at the Rio.
I don't think I'd want to use our relationship with Mexico as a good example of anything. Lots of bad history there.
The unique thing about China is that China had a long history of being abused and exploited by foreign powers, starting with the Opium Wars and ending with World War II.
The thing is, we really have a lot more to gain by a powerful China engaged in the international community than one that is isolated.
Just look at a map. China’s claim of geography is ridiculous. It is gerrymandering on a colossal scale. It is Florida claiming they own everything offshore within 20 miles of Maine.
Just look at a map. China’s claim of geography is ridiculous. It is gerrymandering on a colossal scale. It is Florida claiming they own everything offshore within 20 miles of Maine.
When you got a billion people and the world's largest military, you can pretty much claim whatever you want.
AGAIN - WHY IS THIS OUR PROBLEM?
Sooo......how much do you pay for those white flags you fly?
China's a big country...doesn't it have oil elsewhere???
Well....
3. "The Tarim basin in the far north-west proved prospective, but it was just about as far as you could get from where it was needed...transportation costs added $3 a barrel."
From the novel "Dragon Strike," by Hawksley
a."As of 26th Dec. 2002, the oil production in the oilfield was 5.006 ×106 t in the same year, the first time to breakthrough 5 ×106 t/a, becoming the sixth large onshore oilfield in China.."
welcome to oilchina
4. "China has quickly risen to the top ranks in global energy demand over the past few years. China is the world's second-largest oil consumer behind the United States and became the largest global energy consumer in 2010. The country was a net oil exporter until the early 1990s and became the world's second-largest net importer of crude oil and petroleum products in 2009. The U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) projects that China will surpass the United States as the largest net oil importer by 2014, in part due to China's rising oil consumption. China's oil consumption growth accounted for one-third of the world's oil consumption growth in 2013, and EIA projects the same share in 2014." China - Analysis - U.S. Energy Information Administration EIA
See the problem?
5. Beijing looks primarily to the Persian Gulf, Africa, and Russia/Central Asia to satisfy its growing demand, with imported oil accounting for approximately 11 percent of China's total energy consumption.Jan 20, 2014
Where Does China Import Its Energy From (And What This ...
www.zerohedge.com/.../where-does-china-import-its-energy-an..
So....is China going to simply going to give up its 'superpower' ambitions?
Is it?
Or is there something it can do to ameliorate the problem?
China's a big country...doesn't it have oil elsewhere???
Well....
3. "The Tarim basin in the far north-west proved prospective, but it was just about as far as you could get from where it was needed...transportation costs added $3 a barrel."
From the novel "Dragon Strike," by Hawksley
a."As of 26th Dec. 2002, the oil production in the oilfield was 5.006 ×106 t in the same year, the first time to breakthrough 5 ×106 t/a, becoming the sixth large onshore oilfield in China.."
welcome to oilchina
4. "China has quickly risen to the top ranks in global energy demand over the past few years. China is the world's second-largest oil consumer behind the United States and became the largest global energy consumer in 2010. The country was a net oil exporter until the early 1990s and became the world's second-largest net importer of crude oil and petroleum products in 2009. The U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) projects that China will surpass the United States as the largest net oil importer by 2014, in part due to China's rising oil consumption. China's oil consumption growth accounted for one-third of the world's oil consumption growth in 2013, and EIA projects the same share in 2014." China - Analysis - U.S. Energy Information Administration EIA
See the problem?
5. Beijing looks primarily to the Persian Gulf, Africa, and Russia/Central Asia to satisfy its growing demand, with imported oil accounting for approximately 11 percent of China's total energy consumption.Jan 20, 2014
Where Does China Import Its Energy From (And What This ...
www.zerohedge.com/.../where-does-china-import-its-energy-an..
So....is China going to simply going to give up its 'superpower' ambitions?
Is it?
Or is there something it can do to ameliorate the problem?
We’re giving them every opportunity to take the leadership role by default
The question is...do we back off or be the world's policeman? Does the world go to hell in a hand basket if we stop? I do not like the endless wars because I do not know if its for elitists. The middle east must be tamed. By themselves or by others. The so called caliphate is supposed to bring peace to them. So they say. To many violent groups in landmasses where many people want peace and prosperity.Just look at a map. China’s claim of geography is ridiculous. It is gerrymandering on a colossal scale. It is Florida claiming they own everything offshore within 20 miles of Maine.
When you got a billion people and the world's largest military, you can pretty much claim whatever you want.
AGAIN - WHY IS THIS OUR PROBLEM?
The question is...do we back off or be the world's policeman? Does the world go to hell in a hand basket if we stop? I do not like the endless wars because I do not know if its for elitists. The middle east must be tamed. By themselves or by others. The so called caliphate is supposed to bring peace to them. So they say. To many violent groups in landmasses where many people want peace and prosperity.Just look at a map. China’s claim of geography is ridiculous. It is gerrymandering on a colossal scale. It is Florida claiming they own everything offshore within 20 miles of Maine.
When you got a billion people and the world's largest military, you can pretty much claim whatever you want.
AGAIN - WHY IS THIS OUR PROBLEM?
When America backs away, there is rampant chaos and oppression in the world.
FDR was all about allowing Hitler his rampage.
"MUNICH MESSAGE FROM U.S. BARED; Roosevelt Sent Encouraging 'Good Man' to Chamberlain Day Before Conference"
The question is...do we back off or be the world's policeman? Does the world go to hell in a hand basket if we stop? I do not like the endless wars because I do not know if its for elitists. The middle east must be tamed. By themselves or by others. The so called caliphate is supposed to bring peace to them. So they say. To many violent groups in landmasses where many people want peace and prosperity.
When America backs away, there is rampant chaos and oppression in the world.
FDR was all about allowing Hitler his rampage.
"MUNICH MESSAGE FROM U.S. BARED; Roosevelt Sent Encouraging 'Good Man' to Chamberlain Day Before Conference"
Um, here's the thing. Chamberlain was completely in the right at Munich.
Here's the situation he had to deal with, and keeping in mind that Munich was only about the disposition of the Sudetenland.....
1) You had 3 Million Sudetenland Germans who really wanted to be part of Greater Germany in the region in question.
2) You had the Slovaks, who really wanted their own country (And got one afterwards).
3) Germany already had the Czech part of the country surrounded on three sides.
4) The French had invested all of their military spending on defensive measures like the Maginot line and in were no position to launch an offensive against Germany.
5) A war with Germany might have brought the UK into Conflict with Italy, which had a strong military presence in the Mediterranean
6) The USSR had a treaty with Czechoslovakia that would only go into effect if France also joined the war. This would have allowed Stalin to invade Eastern Europe. (In 1938, the west was a lot more afraid of Stalin than Hitler or Mussolini.)
7) Given the absolute Carnage of WWI, no one in the UK or France wanted another war with Germany.
8) While in the first World War, the British and French had the Americans, Japanese, Russians and Italians as allies, in this war, none of those countries could be relied upon. Japan and Italy were Hitler's allies. Russia had its own agenda and America didn't want to get involved.
So- the reality. He avoided war for another year.
If anything, the worst effect of Munich was after Hitler broke his word on the rest of Czechoslovakia, Chamberlain FOOLISHLY wrote a blank check to the Junta of Colonels who were running Poland at the time. He was in no position to help them, either.
The thing is, we've created this false narrative that WWII could have been won with less loss of life if Chamberlain had only taken a harder line at Munich... when in reality.... The UK wasn't ready for a war in 1938, they weren't ready for one in 1939, and they weren't ready for one in 1940. (But they had one anyway.)
"Chamberlain was completely in the right at Munich. "
Case closed.
"Chamberlain was completely in the right at Munich. "
Case closed.
Duly noted you couldn't refute the point.
Seriously, I'm not even sure why you bother, you seem in love with the sound of your own voice.
