The Geography of Gun Deaths

[Luddly Neddite]

he wont answer if he doesnt like what you ask......Dean is the same way.....

Ask him what he asked me cuz I have no idea.

THEN I'll ignore him.



(Not all of us sit in front of this board 24/7. Not all of us read every single post by every single rw nutter crackpot who has a computer.)

you know how to read....go read it......and if you Start the fucking thread people expect you to at least stick around to answer some questions on what you bring up.....otherwise WHY START THE DAM THINGS?.....and you avg more posts than i do per day....so you sit in front of that machine more than i do....

I didn't start the thread and no, I don't go hunting to see what this or that person wrote.

Grow up.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Which liberal arguement for what? Here in Oregon most liberals own guns. And most hunt.

What we are argueing for is addressing the increasing toll from crazies getting their hands on weapons of war and creating slaughter in our schools, theaters, and malls. What you 'Conservatives' keep yapping about is unlimited freedom for any asshole to have any kind of weapon that he or she pleases.

Well, we have been seeing the outcome of that kind of thinking.

So tell me numbskull... Why go after the Rights of Law abiding citizens when you should be going after crazies??? Oh, that's right... It isn't about controlling guns, it's about controlling people.

FINALLY, a legit comment/question from the right.

I've been asking the same question for weeks now:

Why are the gun nuts in favor of arming criminals, illegal aliens and terrorists?

The answer I get is that the law does not say that when indeed, it sure as hell does.

So, tell me, WHAT is the answer to that question?

 

[saveliberty]

"It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners"
Albert Camus

The Geography of Gun Deaths

Let's start by looking at factors that are sometimes assumed to be associated with gun violence but statistically are not.

It is commonly assumed that mental illness or stress levels trigger gun violence. But that's not borne out at the state level. We found no statistical association between gun deaths and mental illness or stress levels. We also found no association between gun violence and the proportion of neurotic personalities.

Must exclude all mass murder by guns then huh?

Images of drug-crazed gunmen are a commonplace: Guns and drug abuse are presumed to go together. But, again, that was not the case in our state-level analysis. We found no association between illegal drug use and death from gun violence at the state level.

It isn't the users, its the sellers who have the guns idiot.

Some might think gun violence would be higher in states with higher levels of unemployment and higher levels of inequality. But, again, we found no evidence of any such association with either of these variables.

Interesting where are Detroit and Flint on the gun violence list again?
So what are the factors that are associated with firearm deaths at the state level?

Poverty is one. The correlation between death by gun and poverty at the state level is .59.

So there is no correlation between poverty and unemployment? Moron.
An economy dominated by working class jobs is another. Having a high percentage of working class jobs is closely associated with firearm deaths (.55).

And, not surprisingly, firearm-related deaths are positively correlated with the rates of high school students that carry weapons on school property (.54).

So NOW we add in the mass killing all of a sudden, why not in the first instance then?
What about politics? It's hard to quantify political rhetoric, but we can distinguish blue from red states. Taking the voting patterns from the 2008 presidential election, we found a striking pattern: Firearm-related deaths were positively associated with states that voted for McCain (.66) and negatively associated with states that voted for Obama (-.66). Though this association is likely to infuriate many people, the statistics are unmistakable. Partisan affiliations alone cannot explain them; most likely they stem from two broader, underlying factors - the economic and employment makeup of the states and their policies toward guns and gun ownership.

Michigan voted for McCain, I'll have to let him know, he should probably be President then.

Firearm deaths were far less likely to occur in states with higher levels of college graduates (-.64) and more creative class jobs (-.52).

Gun deaths were also less likely in states with higher levels of economic development (with a correlation of -.32 to economic output) and higher levels of happiness and well-being (-.41).

And for all the terrifying talk about violence-prone immigrants, states with more immigrants have lower levels of gun-related deaths (the correlation between the two being -.34).

Yes, well they use knives and their fists. Dead is dead.
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My comments in blue. I have to say some of the shoddiest research I've ever seen outside of Climate science.

 

[saveliberty]

In case this was missed -

Almost 100% sure an eighteen year old high school student with a gun is a killer then huh? Morons.

 

[skookerasbil]

So much for the thinking of the left on banning guns................

Within A Decade Of The UK Banning And Confiscating Handguns, Crimes Involving Handguns Doubled


Fairy tale thinking is gay.

 

[skookerasbil]

More fodder that the gun grabbers on the left dont have a clue..............

California gun sales jump; gun injuries, deaths fall - Data Center - The Sacramento Bee


Ooooooops!!!

 

[skookerasbil]

Stuff Black People Don't Like - SBPDL: Guns Don't Kill People; Dangerous Minorities Do -- The Chicago Edition


Stuff the PC white folks dont like either............

 

[skookerasbil]

Record Gun Sales in December - Yahoo! News

I call this thread the Geography of Gay

 

[skookerasbil]

Dominating

 

[bripat9643]

You actually think you have a bigger warmonger than Adolf Hitler?

Do they have a rhetorical law named after the fallacy of invoking them as a comparative?

OK then.

Wilson, FDR, Truman and LBJ have far more blood on their hands than Hitler ever dreamed of having.

That's the historical fact, Jack.

If you're trying to shift to body counts so you can insert nuclear warhead here, well the thing about moving the goalposts is that everybody can see you doing it. You said "warmongers".

Those four guys were either drawn into an already-existing war or inherited them,

That's the ultimate in naivete. Anyone who has studied the issues knows that Wilson spent his entire 2nd term trying to engineer the U.S. into WW I. Wilson knew the Lusitania was carrying illegal weapons. William Jennings Bryan tried to get him to warn Americans not to book a passage on it, but he refused. For the Lusitania's final voyage, the British admiralty substituted captain William Turner for the usual captain. As the the ship drew near to its final destination, orders came from the British Admiralty to the military escort ship, the Juno to abandon its usual mission, thereby leaving the ocean liner without protection from submarines. The Lusitania was not told that it was now alone, nor was it told that a German submarine was directly in its path - fact known to the Admiralty. Finally, the Admiralty ordered Captain Turner to reduce his speed, thereby making the Lusitania an easy target for torpedoes.

FDR engineered the Japanese into attacking Pearl Harbor. He knew the Japanese fleet was headed towards Pearl Harbor. He ordered all ships to vacate the area of the ocean the Japanese fleet was traveling through so it wouldn't be discovered.

Almost every knows that Johnson's claims about the Gulf of Tonkin incident were a big lie designed to all the United States to insert itself into the Vietnam War.

If you don't know the details, then I suggest you read "Century of Warfare." It will open your eyes, unless you're a brainwashed drone, that is.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Ask him what he asked me cuz I have no idea.

THEN I'll ignore him.



(Not all of us sit in front of this board 24/7. Not all of us read every single post by every single rw nutter crackpot who has a computer.)

you know how to read....go read it......and if you Start the fucking thread people expect you to at least stick around to answer some questions on what you bring up.....otherwise WHY START THE DAM THINGS?.....and you avg more posts than i do per day....so you sit in front of that machine more than i do....

I didn't start the thread and no, I don't go hunting to see what this or that person wrote.

Grow up.

then why start the threads you start that ask something if you are not going to stick around to answer the question your asking?....why start them?....thats a fair question and many here have said this about you.....so how about answering it?......

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Which liberal arguement for what? Here in Oregon most liberals own guns. And most hunt.

What we are argueing for is addressing the increasing toll from crazies getting their hands on weapons of war and creating slaughter in our schools, theaters, and malls. What you 'Conservatives' keep yapping about is unlimited freedom for any asshole to have any kind of weapon that he or she pleases.

Well, we have been seeing the outcome of that kind of thinking.

My wife who was born and raised in the Philippines asked me why don't they have armed police in the schools like we do? I couldn't help but smile and say, because people here are stupid. Indeed, the guns used in that massacre did not belong to the shooter, but his mother. How would you prevent that? Lemmie guess, not by having an armed police officer in the schools? See, ... ... ... thats stupid.

OK. Let's put a police officer in every school in the nation. 24/7. And send the bill to gun manufacturers, and all the retail stores that sell guns.

Why not make prisoners who have committed crimes with firearms pay for it?