The General Welfare Clause - Why the current use of it is unconstitutional

In article 1 it says the government can lay taxes to provide for both the defense and welfare of american citizens. However, these taxes must be uniform throughout the country. By having our progressive tax system, only taxing people with cadillac plans, or only increasing the taxes on the rich to pay for health care this legislation directily violates article 1, section 8, clause 1 by having the duties, imposts, and excises being applied non-uniformly for health care in the legislation.


The uniformity clause in article 1 means that regardless of what kind of tax you're talking about, it must apply equally to all the states. It means only that taxes cannot be used to show favortism toward people in one particular location. The Supreme Court has repeatedly affirmed this idea over the years. Here's one example, a quote from the Court's unanimous decision in the Head Money Cases of 1884 as written by Justice Samuel Miller.


The uniformity here prescribed has reference to the various localities in which the tax is intended to operate.......The tax is uniform when it operates with the same force and effect in every place where the subject of it is found.


Head Money Cases
 
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In article 1 it says the government can lay taxes to provide for both the defense and welfare of american citizens. However, these taxes must be uniform throughout the country. By having our progressive tax system, only taxing people with cadillac plans, or only increasing the taxes on the rich to pay for health care this legislation directily violates article 1, section 8, clause 1 by having the duties, imposts, and excises being applied non-uniformly for health care in the legislation.


The uniformity clause in article 1 means that regardless of what kind of tax you're talking about, it must apply equally to all the states. It means only that taxes cannot be used to show favortism toward people in one particular location. The Supreme Court has repeatedly affirmed this idea over the years. Here's one example, a quote from the Court's unanimous decision in the Head Money Cases of 1884 as written by Justice Samuel Miller.


The uniformity here prescribed has reference to the various localities in which the tax is intended to operate.......The tax is uniform when it operates with the same force and effect in every place where the subject of it is found.


Head Money Cases

Look at edit3 in the OP.

There are deals in the bill that allow states like nebraska and florida to pay less into the government health system overall than other states. This is not uniform taxation and, as you state, it violates the constitution due to it not "applying equally to all the states"
 
In article 1 it says the government can lay taxes to provide for both the defense and welfare of american citizens. However, these taxes must be uniform throughout the country. By having our progressive tax system, only taxing people with cadillac plans, or only increasing the taxes on the rich to pay for health care this legislation directily violates article 1, section 8, clause 1 by having the duties, imposts, and excises being applied non-uniformly for health care in the legislation.


The uniformity clause in article 1 means that regardless of what kind of tax you're talking about, it must apply equally to all the states. It means only that taxes cannot be used to show favortism toward people in one particular location. The Supreme Court has repeatedly affirmed this idea over the years. Here's one example, a quote from the Court's unanimous decision in the Head Money Cases of 1884 as written by Justice Samuel Miller.


The uniformity here prescribed has reference to the various localities in which the tax is intended to operate.......The tax is uniform when it operates with the same force and effect in every place where the subject of it is found.


Head Money Cases

Look at edit3 in the OP.

There are deals in the bill that allow states like nebraska and florida to pay less into the government health system overall than other states. This is not uniform taxation and, as you state, it violates the constitution due to it not "applying equally to all the states"


No, those are examples of pork-barrel spending. In each case, those states are getting a big, fat cash handout from Washington. It's absolutely disgusting but it has nothing to do with tax levels. Everybody is taxed the same. They just get different-sized helpings of pork.
 
The uniformity clause in article 1 means that regardless of what kind of tax you're talking about, it must apply equally to all the states. It means only that taxes cannot be used to show favortism toward people in one particular location. The Supreme Court has repeatedly affirmed this idea over the years. Here's one example, a quote from the Court's unanimous decision in the Head Money Cases of 1884 as written by Justice Samuel Miller.





Head Money Cases

Look at edit3 in the OP.

There are deals in the bill that allow states like nebraska and florida to pay less into the government health system overall than other states. This is not uniform taxation and, as you state, it violates the constitution due to it not "applying equally to all the states"


No, those are examples of pork-barrel spending. In each case, those states are getting a big, fat cash handout from Washington. It's absolutely disgusting but it has nothing to do with tax levels. Everybody is taxed the same. They just get different-sized helpings of pork.

It relates to medicare/medicade tax not spending so it actually does apply
 
In article 1 it says the government can lay taxes to provide for both the defense and welfare of american citizens. However, these taxes must be uniform throughout the country. By having our progressive tax system, only taxing people with cadillac plans, or only increasing the taxes on the rich to pay for health care this legislation directily violates article 1, section 8, clause 1 by having the duties, imposts, and excises being applied non-uniformly for health care in the legislation.


The uniformity clause in article 1 means that regardless of what kind of tax you're talking about, it must apply equally to all the states. It means only that taxes cannot be used to show favortism toward people in one particular location. The Supreme Court has repeatedly affirmed this idea over the years. Here's one example, a quote from the Court's unanimous decision in the Head Money Cases of 1884 as written by Justice Samuel Miller.


The uniformity here prescribed has reference to the various localities in which the tax is intended to operate.......The tax is uniform when it operates with the same force and effect in every place where the subject of it is found.


Head Money Cases

Look at edit3 in the OP.

There are deals in the bill that allow states like nebraska and florida to pay less into the government health system overall than other states. This is not uniform taxation and, as you state, it violates the constitution due to it not "applying equally to all the states"

Exactly...Now witness the very symbol of justice regarding Law?

Stare at it for a moment, what does it mean for justice? Is this just a symbol? Does it really MEAN anything?

The statue has a balanced scale for a reason...(They weren't trying to be cute).

Justice.jpg
 
I'm pretty sure the cadillac plans were taken out of the bill. They aren't increasing tax on the rich but on income level. Subtle, but different, and uniform.

Fail.

income tax is the only tax that taxes one group of people at a higher rate than another.....

if i am good at something the government takes more from me.....and gives it to people that aren't so good at it.....
Or you could be bad at everything and have investment income.

Income tax taxes income, not people.

Income is the product of one's labor... and taxes on that product are decidedly a tax on the INDIVIDUAL... Thus the name: "INDIVIDUAL INCOME TAX"... just as the CORPORATE Income Tax, taxes the product of the corporation's labor...

Investment income is also a product of the investor's labor... in having secured the investment; All are their PROPERTY and taxation of that property flies in the face of principled liberty.

Now again kids... the issue is not so much the taxation; but the confiscatory taxation and the INSATIABLE APPETITE OF LEFTIST ABUSE!
 
The uniformity clause in article 1 means that regardless of what kind of tax you're talking about, it must apply equally to all the states. It means only that taxes cannot be used to show favortism toward people in one particular location. The Supreme Court has repeatedly affirmed this idea over the years. Here's one example, a quote from the Court's unanimous decision in the Head Money Cases of 1884 as written by Justice Samuel Miller.





Head Money Cases

Look at edit3 in the OP.

There are deals in the bill that allow states like nebraska and florida to pay less into the government health system overall than other states. This is not uniform taxation and, as you state, it violates the constitution due to it not "applying equally to all the states"

Exactly...Now witness the very symbol of justice regarding Law?

Stare at it for a moment, what does it mean for justice? Is this just a symbol? Does it really MEAN anything?

The statue has a balanced scale for a reason...(They weren't trying to be cute).

Justice.jpg


Yep... The problem is that the Left does not understand what the scale is designed to balance.
 
income tax is the only tax that taxes one group of people at a higher rate than another.....

if i am good at something the government takes more from me.....and gives it to people that aren't so good at it.....
Or you could be bad at everything and have investment income.

Income tax taxes income, not people.

Income is the product of one's labor... and taxes on that product are decidedly a tax on the INDIVIDUAL... Thus the name: "INDIVIDUAL INCOME TAX"... just as the CORPORATE Income Tax, taxes the product of the corporation's labor...

Investment income is also a product of the investor's labor... in having secured the investment; All are their PROPERTY and taxation of that property flies in the face of principled liberty.

Now again kids... the issue is not so much the taxation; but the confiscatory taxation and the INSATIABLE APPETITE OF LEFTIST ABUSE!

And the POWER over others for their own GAIN. This government is replete with it, and MUST be replaced.
 
Read what it says in the constitution people...here is a quote of it

Preamble: We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Article 1, section 8, clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;


In the preamble there is clearly a difference between common defense and general welfare. That difference being that one is to be provided for and the other is to be promoted, not provided.

In article 1 it says the government can lay taxes to provide for both the defense and welfare of american citizens. However, these taxes must be uniform throughout the country. By having our progressive tax system, only taxing people with cadillac plans, or only increasing the taxes on the rich to pay for health care this legislation directily violates article 1, section 8, clause 1 by having the duties, imposts, and excises being applied non-uniformly for health care in the legislation.
I'm pretty sure the cadillac plans were taken out of the bill. They aren't increasing tax on the rich but on income level. Subtle, but different, and uniform.

Fail.

income tax is the only tax that taxes one group of people at a higher rate than another.....

if i am good at something the government takes more from me.....and gives it to people that aren't so good at it.....

That's not true. Everyone is subject to the exact same tax table. The higher rates apply to the income made in that bracket only.

Every single american pays:
10% on the first $8375
15% on $8376 - $34000
25% on $34001 - $82400

And so on. People are under the misconception that if you break into the next plateau, your entire income is taxed higher. Not the case. I, for example, just like everyone else, pay 35% on amounts I make in excess of $373,651.00. Of course, in my case that's 35% of zero.

Hence, every American is subject to the exact same tax table.
 
Read what it says in the constitution people...here is a quote of it

Preamble: We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Article 1, section 8, clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;


In the preamble there is clearly a difference between common defense and general welfare. That difference being that one is to be provided for and the other is to be promoted, not provided.

In article 1 it says the government can lay taxes to provide for both the defense and welfare of american citizens. However, these taxes must be uniform throughout the country. By having our progressive tax system, only taxing people with cadillac plans, or only increasing the taxes on the rich to pay for health care this legislation directily violates article 1, section 8, clause 1 by having the duties, imposts, and excises being applied non-uniformly for health care in the legislation.

EDIT: Taxes on cadillac plans have been removed. This is no longer an issue
EDIT2: If the taxes on employers and employees who have employer provided health plans is still in then this is an issue. It is not being implimented uniformly as american's who either purchase it on their own, are on a government program already, or dont choose to have it have don't have to pay the tax but those who get it from their employer do. not uniform
EDIT3: The special tax break deals for states like florida and nebraska are also a direct violation of the constitution as those are not being applied uniformly.



I'm not a tax guy... so bear with me... But yes, they can use a progressive tax scale on income. By the 16th, it need not be apportioned:
"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."
Only direct taxes must be apportioned and we don't currently have any... (well, except for Obamacare's individual mandate :rolleyes:)
The Constitutional Dictionary - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

Now, I think they could have had some trouble on the "Cadillac plans" by waiving it for one group and not another, as that would not be uniform, and the bill is huge, so there might be some uniformity problems that haven't come to light. But here's where they've definitely got a Constitutional problem... the Individual Mandate. The argument will be from Article I, Section 9, Clause 4:
"No capitation, or other direct, tax shall be laid, unless in proportion to the census or enumeration herein before directed to be taken."

There's several definitions for "indirect" and "direct" taxes, but for Constitutional purposes, we go with the legal one, which says in essence that the federal government can't tax something or someone merely for existing.
What is Difference Between Direct and Indirect Tax?
Indirect taxes would all be based on some kind of transaction or activity.

And THAT's where they run into a problem. There's NO ACTIVITY when a citizen refuses to purchase a product. There's no commerce involved in inactivity.

The states will be hitting on several points and the "direct tax" will most certainly be among them:
Do the 13 state attorneys general have a case against ObamaCare?

My response:

Absolutely. It will be an uphill battle, because modern “constitutional law” is so far removed from the Constitution itself, but a win is not impossible. There are three main arguments. (1) Under the Constitution, as properly interpreted, Congress has no power to enact such a plan. (2) The plan conscripts state governments into carrying out and paying for federal mandates. And (3) the individual mandate amounts to an unlawful capitation or direct tax.

(more...)
The States Respond to ObamaCare | Cato @ Liberty
 
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It relates to medicare/medicade tax not spending so it actually does apply


That's simply not true. Every state is taxed exactly the same. Nebraska was promised a bigger cash handout from the federal government than any other state. That's pork.

They were also promised to not have to pay the increased medicare tax that is in the bill.
 

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