The Future Past...

[pbel]

The year is 2,048, Israel and the Muslim nations are still fighting their War of Attrition. Because of the constant rocket attacks, Israel has built a lid over its security walls, much like an American football stadium.

Since its birth 100 hundred years ago, most of the Israelis have left for greener pastures. The population of Israel has been reduced to 857,000 and the Palestinian Israelis now number 7,000,000 people. A new proportional voting law passed twenty years ago gives Jewish voters 20,000 votes for every one Palestinian. This should keep them in power for 17 more years according to Israeli demographers.

America which provided much of its military hardware has long disappeared from the scene along with the depletion of oil in the Middle East. It is now self sufficient in new energy sources so that oil needed is miniscule.

Israel has a new ally in Indiabut that alliance is in danger because conversions to Islam have greatly reduced the amount of Cow Worshipers to a minority. The Israelis tried to introduce Hinduism into Israel to show their solidarity with their ally but the high Rabbinate refused to allow that because you could not eat corned beef but would allow pork chops!

It just wasn’t Kosher!

The situation for the farmers is getting desperate too. The Wall is fine for keeping stolen Arab land but without sunlight their electric bills for grow lights is making their products too expensive for marketing.

There have been rumors that the government will try opening a rolling system of the concrete roof over Israel in different parts of the country, hopefully fooling the Arabs and staying ahead of the rockets.

Israelis finally elected a woman Prime Minister in since Golda Meir 70 years ago in Attilla Roseis. She promised to Kill ‘em all in her campaign. Roseis is a nice Jewish Grandma who loves her grandchildren in which she teaches them how to kill Arabs.




The year is 2148…It has been one hundred years since Roseis was elected PM of Israel, her great grandsons Sniffer and CamelPed are the only two Jews left in Israel. They were left with trying to convert Palestinians with promises of riches and gold. But alas no takers means that they lack the necessary ten Jews to form a congregation…

It has been 47 years since the wells went dry in the Middle East. Because of this the ME was no longer important strategically to anyone. America left fifty years ago and stopped sending military hardware to Israel because Israel could no longer afford these weapons because all Jewish Israeli had migrated all over the world seeking economic opportunities without the danger of constant war.



It is obvious that Israel's military dominance in the ME vaporized when Russia rolled over Israel's Ally(Armenia) who supplied them with Western Arms. Russia is now (if it hasn't already) putting missile shields in Syria and Iran...She probably will now give them missiles and who knows what else?





2148
Hezbolah does it again with rockets deep into Israel. Israel retaliates with air strikes which are met with new Russian air defense systems which If Israel does not make peace soon the stew is brewing for a major check Israeli Air Power. Israel escalates with a land invasion which fails because Hezbolah has new anti tank weapons transferred from Syria via Russia...Israel bombs Syrian Military positions but the Russian made air defenses take a 80% toll on their planes. Egypt masses troops and Israel threatens nuclear strikes....
Iran launches thousands of missiles with chemical war heads...Israel retaliates by nuking Tehran...Pakistan sends three dozen nukes into Dimmona and other major Israeli cities...
Russia and America nervously keep in contact and hold off their forces, the ME is no longer.

 

[Hossfly]

This was not brilliant when you first posted it years ago, it still was not brilliant when you kept on posting it over and over throughout the years. What makes you think it is brilliant now


jt2

 

[pbel]

This was not brilliant when you first posted it years ago, it still was not brilliant when you kept on posting it over and over throughout the years. What makes you think it is brilliant now


jt2

oldies but goodies.

 

[Hossfly]

This was not brilliant when you first posted it years ago, it still was not brilliant when you kept on posting it over and over throughout the years. What makes you think it is brilliant now


jt2

oldies but goodies.

That's your opinion. Surely a "brilliant" Brandeis scholar can think up some new stuff instead of repeating the same nonsense for years and years.


jt2

 

[Saigon]

It is an interesting thread idea, and a different view of the conflict from the usual.

But I disagree with one point - most Israelis have moved on?

I think not.

A million Askhenazi Jews moved from Russia to Israel since the collapse of the USSR, and more will follow. With anti-semitism on the rise in countries like Poland and Ukraine, more and more Jews may move there....plus immigrants moving for the good life Israel offers.

 

[Artevelde]

The year is 2,048, Israel and the Muslim nations are still fighting their War of Attrition. Because of the constant rocket attacks, Israel has built a lid over its security walls, much like an American football stadium.

Since its birth 100 hundred years ago, most of the Israelis have left for greener pastures. The population of Israel has been reduced to 857,000 and the Palestinian Israelis now number 7,000,000 people. A new proportional voting law passed twenty years ago gives Jewish voters 20,000 votes for every one Palestinian. This should keep them in power for 17 more years according to Israeli demographers.

America which provided much of its military hardware has long disappeared from the scene along with the depletion of oil in the Middle East. It is now self sufficient in new energy sources so that oil needed is miniscule.

Israel has a new ally in Indiabut that alliance is in danger because conversions to Islam have greatly reduced the amount of Cow Worshipers to a minority. The Israelis tried to introduce Hinduism into Israel to show their solidarity with their ally but the high Rabbinate refused to allow that because you could not eat corned beef but would allow pork chops!

It just wasn’t Kosher!

The situation for the farmers is getting desperate too. The Wall is fine for keeping stolen Arab land but without sunlight their electric bills for grow lights is making their products too expensive for marketing.

There have been rumors that the government will try opening a rolling system of the concrete roof over Israel in different parts of the country, hopefully fooling the Arabs and staying ahead of the rockets.

Israelis finally elected a woman Prime Minister in since Golda Meir 70 years ago in Attilla Roseis. She promised to Kill ‘em all in her campaign. Roseis is a nice Jewish Grandma who loves her grandchildren in which she teaches them how to kill Arabs.




The year is 2148…It has been one hundred years since Roseis was elected PM of Israel, her great grandsons Sniffer and CamelPed are the only two Jews left in Israel. They were left with trying to convert Palestinians with promises of riches and gold. But alas no takers means that they lack the necessary ten Jews to form a congregation…

It has been 47 years since the wells went dry in the Middle East. Because of this the ME was no longer important strategically to anyone. America left fifty years ago and stopped sending military hardware to Israel because Israel could no longer afford these weapons because all Jewish Israeli had migrated all over the world seeking economic opportunities without the danger of constant war.



It is obvious that Israel's military dominance in the ME vaporized when Russia rolled over Israel's Ally(Armenia) who supplied them with Western Arms. Russia is now (if it hasn't already) putting missile shields in Syria and Iran...She probably will now give them missiles and who knows what else?





2148
Hezbolah does it again with rockets deep into Israel. Israel retaliates with air strikes which are met with new Russian air defense systems which If Israel does not make peace soon the stew is brewing for a major check Israeli Air Power. Israel escalates with a land invasion which fails because Hezbolah has new anti tank weapons transferred from Syria via Russia...Israel bombs Syrian Military positions but the Russian made air defenses take a 80% toll on their planes. Egypt masses troops and Israel threatens nuclear strikes....
Iran launches thousands of missiles with chemical war heads...Israel retaliates by nuking Tehran...Pakistan sends three dozen nukes into Dimmona and other major Israeli cities...
Russia and America nervously keep in contact and hold off their forces, the ME is no longer.

It is precisely because people keep thinking up these kinds of fantasies in which the Jews disappear that the Palestinians have time and again failed to grasp the opportunities for peace and therefore keep digging themselves in an ever deeper hole.

 

[pbel]

The year is 2,048, Israel and the Muslim nations are still fighting their War of Attrition. Because of the constant rocket attacks, Israel has built a lid over its security walls, much like an American football stadium.

Since its birth 100 hundred years ago, most of the Israelis have left for greener pastures. The population of Israel has been reduced to 857,000 and the Palestinian Israelis now number 7,000,000 people. A new proportional voting law passed twenty years ago gives Jewish voters 20,000 votes for every one Palestinian. This should keep them in power for 17 more years according to Israeli demographers.

America which provided much of its military hardware has long disappeared from the scene along with the depletion of oil in the Middle East. It is now self sufficient in new energy sources so that oil needed is miniscule.

Israel has a new ally in Indiabut that alliance is in danger because conversions to Islam have greatly reduced the amount of Cow Worshipers to a minority. The Israelis tried to introduce Hinduism into Israel to show their solidarity with their ally but the high Rabbinate refused to allow that because you could not eat corned beef but would allow pork chops!

It just wasn’t Kosher!

The situation for the farmers is getting desperate too. The Wall is fine for keeping stolen Arab land but without sunlight their electric bills for grow lights is making their products too expensive for marketing.

There have been rumors that the government will try opening a rolling system of the concrete roof over Israel in different parts of the country, hopefully fooling the Arabs and staying ahead of the rockets.

Israelis finally elected a woman Prime Minister in since Golda Meir 70 years ago in Attilla Roseis. She promised to Kill ‘em all in her campaign. Roseis is a nice Jewish Grandma who loves her grandchildren in which she teaches them how to kill Arabs.




The year is 2148…It has been one hundred years since Roseis was elected PM of Israel, her great grandsons Sniffer and CamelPed are the only two Jews left in Israel. They were left with trying to convert Palestinians with promises of riches and gold. But alas no takers means that they lack the necessary ten Jews to form a congregation…

It has been 47 years since the wells went dry in the Middle East. Because of this the ME was no longer important strategically to anyone. America left fifty years ago and stopped sending military hardware to Israel because Israel could no longer afford these weapons because all Jewish Israeli had migrated all over the world seeking economic opportunities without the danger of constant war.



It is obvious that Israel's military dominance in the ME vaporized when Russia rolled over Israel's Ally(Armenia) who supplied them with Western Arms. Russia is now (if it hasn't already) putting missile shields in Syria and Iran...She probably will now give them missiles and who knows what else?





2148
Hezbolah does it again with rockets deep into Israel. Israel retaliates with air strikes which are met with new Russian air defense systems which If Israel does not make peace soon the stew is brewing for a major check Israeli Air Power. Israel escalates with a land invasion which fails because Hezbolah has new anti tank weapons transferred from Syria via Russia...Israel bombs Syrian Military positions but the Russian made air defenses take a 80% toll on their planes. Egypt masses troops and Israel threatens nuclear strikes....
Iran launches thousands of missiles with chemical war heads...Israel retaliates by nuking Tehran...Pakistan sends three dozen nukes into Dimmona and other major Israeli cities...
Russia and America nervously keep in contact and hold off their forces, the ME is no longer.

It is precisely because people keep thinking up these kinds of fantasies in which the Jews disappear that the Palestinians have time and again failed to grasp the opportunities for peace and therefore keep digging themselves in an ever deeper hole.

It is precisely your belief that my Geo-Political analyses are fantasy or my fantasy rather than what would naturally occur over time.

Of course Israel has the Military might to hold off any Arab military advances...in time however wars of attrition are won exactly how the Arabs defeated the previous invaders to Palestine, to Wit: the Crusades, Brits, Turks...They simply keep up the pressure until their sheer numbers make their enemies crack!

Time is their secret weapon.
A two State solution will give the Arabs and Islam a way to make peace and hope for acceptance.

It took the Jews 2000 years to get a toe-hold on ancient Judea...Think the Long Term!

 

[Artevelde]

The year is 2,048, Israel and the Muslim nations are still fighting their War of Attrition. Because of the constant rocket attacks, Israel has built a lid over its security walls, much like an American football stadium.

Since its birth 100 hundred years ago, most of the Israelis have left for greener pastures. The population of Israel has been reduced to 857,000 and the Palestinian Israelis now number 7,000,000 people. A new proportional voting law passed twenty years ago gives Jewish voters 20,000 votes for every one Palestinian. This should keep them in power for 17 more years according to Israeli demographers.

America which provided much of its military hardware has long disappeared from the scene along with the depletion of oil in the Middle East. It is now self sufficient in new energy sources so that oil needed is miniscule.

Israel has a new ally in Indiabut that alliance is in danger because conversions to Islam have greatly reduced the amount of Cow Worshipers to a minority. The Israelis tried to introduce Hinduism into Israel to show their solidarity with their ally but the high Rabbinate refused to allow that because you could not eat corned beef but would allow pork chops!

It just wasn’t Kosher!

The situation for the farmers is getting desperate too. The Wall is fine for keeping stolen Arab land but without sunlight their electric bills for grow lights is making their products too expensive for marketing.

There have been rumors that the government will try opening a rolling system of the concrete roof over Israel in different parts of the country, hopefully fooling the Arabs and staying ahead of the rockets.

Israelis finally elected a woman Prime Minister in since Golda Meir 70 years ago in Attilla Roseis. She promised to Kill ‘em all in her campaign. Roseis is a nice Jewish Grandma who loves her grandchildren in which she teaches them how to kill Arabs.




The year is 2148…It has been one hundred years since Roseis was elected PM of Israel, her great grandsons Sniffer and CamelPed are the only two Jews left in Israel. They were left with trying to convert Palestinians with promises of riches and gold. But alas no takers means that they lack the necessary ten Jews to form a congregation…

It has been 47 years since the wells went dry in the Middle East. Because of this the ME was no longer important strategically to anyone. America left fifty years ago and stopped sending military hardware to Israel because Israel could no longer afford these weapons because all Jewish Israeli had migrated all over the world seeking economic opportunities without the danger of constant war.



It is obvious that Israel's military dominance in the ME vaporized when Russia rolled over Israel's Ally(Armenia) who supplied them with Western Arms. Russia is now (if it hasn't already) putting missile shields in Syria and Iran...She probably will now give them missiles and who knows what else?





2148
Hezbolah does it again with rockets deep into Israel. Israel retaliates with air strikes which are met with new Russian air defense systems which If Israel does not make peace soon the stew is brewing for a major check Israeli Air Power. Israel escalates with a land invasion which fails because Hezbolah has new anti tank weapons transferred from Syria via Russia...Israel bombs Syrian Military positions but the Russian made air defenses take a 80% toll on their planes. Egypt masses troops and Israel threatens nuclear strikes....
Iran launches thousands of missiles with chemical war heads...Israel retaliates by nuking Tehran...Pakistan sends three dozen nukes into Dimmona and other major Israeli cities...
Russia and America nervously keep in contact and hold off their forces, the ME is no longer.

It is precisely because people keep thinking up these kinds of fantasies in which the Jews disappear that the Palestinians have time and again failed to grasp the opportunities for peace and therefore keep digging themselves in an ever deeper hole.

It is precisely your belief that my Geo-Political analyses are fantasy or my fantasy rather than what would naturally occur over time.

Of course Israel has the Military might to hold off any Arab military advances...in time however wars of attrition are won exactly how the Arabs defeated the previous invaders to Palestine, to Wit: the Crusades, Brits, Turks...They simply keep up the pressure until their sheer numbers make their enemies crack!

Time is their secret weapon.
A two State solution will give the Arabs and Islam a way to make peace and hope for acceptance.

It took the Jews 2000 years to get a toe-hold on ancient Judea...Think the Long Term!

Yes, it's been working out great for the Palestinians these last 65 years!

 

[Hossfly]

It is an interesting thread idea, and a different view of the conflict from the usual.

But I disagree with one point - most Israelis have moved on?

I think not.

A million Askhenazi Jews moved from Russia to Israel since the collapse of the USSR, and more will follow. With anti-semitism on the rise in countries like Poland and Ukraine, more and more Jews may move there....plus immigrants moving for the good life Israel offers.

You don't think it is strange that someone has saved stuff from 10 years ago? BTW, why not tell us about the good life the Muslims have had in their own countries that they left for the good life in Europe, Canada and America?

 

[Saigon]

Hossfly -

Are there many people in America from Guatemala? Russia? Viet Nam?

It's only natural that people want to leave poorer countries for wealthier ones. I am not cinvinced they are always better off by doing so in the long run, but I understand they want to go.

The US is wealthier and safer than Syria, so naturally Syrians want to move.

 

[Hossfly]

Hossfly -

Are there many people in America from Guatemala? Russia? Viet Nam?

It's only natural that people want to leave poorer countries for wealthier ones. I am not cinvinced they are always better off by doing so in the long run, but I understand they want to go.

The US is wealthier and safer than Syria, so naturally Syrians want to move.

Why stop with Syria when there are many Muslim countries where people want to leave for a better life. Take the Shiites and Ahmadis for example. They are always being killed in Pakistan, the Land of the Pure, by the Sunnis. They actually are safer living among the Hindus in India.


jt2

 

[pbel]

It is precisely because people keep thinking up these kinds of fantasies in which the Jews disappear that the Palestinians have time and again failed to grasp the opportunities for peace and therefore keep digging themselves in an ever deeper hole.

It is precisely your belief that my Geo-Political analyses are fantasy or my fantasy rather than what would naturally occur over time.

Of course Israel has the Military might to hold off any Arab military advances...in time however wars of attrition are won exactly how the Arabs defeated the previous invaders to Palestine, to Wit: the Crusades, Brits, Turks...They simply keep up the pressure until their sheer numbers make their enemies crack!

Time is their secret weapon.
A two State solution will give the Arabs and Islam a way to make peace and hope for acceptance.

It took the Jews 2000 years to get a toe-hold on ancient Judea...Think the Long Term!

Yes, it's been working out great for the Palestinians these last 65 years!

The Palestinians are the Pawns in this struggle...It is a Western Invassion into Islamic Lands for the Muslim people and the powers who control them...On this issue they all agree.

It is my hope that a two state solution will mitigate the hate of the last 65 years with a peace in which Israel helps the Economies of the ME thrive and trade will bring the fruits of friendship.

Look at Germany and Japan...indeed friends of the USA through TRADE! That is the key to peace.

 

[Hossfly]

It is precisely your belief that my Geo-Political analyses are fantasy or my fantasy rather than what would naturally occur over time.

Of course Israel has the Military might to hold off any Arab military advances...in time however wars of attrition are won exactly how the Arabs defeated the previous invaders to Palestine, to Wit: the Crusades, Brits, Turks...They simply keep up the pressure until their sheer numbers make their enemies crack!

Time is their secret weapon.
A two State solution will give the Arabs and Islam a way to make peace and hope for acceptance.

It took the Jews 2000 years to get a toe-hold on ancient Judea...Think the Long Term!

Yes, it's been working out great for the Palestinians these last 65 years!

The Palestinians are the Pawns in this struggle...It is a Western Invassion into Islamic Lands for the Muslim people and the powers who control them...On this issue they all agree.

It is my hope that a two state solution will mitigate the hate of the last 65 years with a peace in which Israel helps the Economies of the ME thrive and trade will bring the fruits of friendship.

Look at Germany and Japan...indeed friends of the USA through TRADE! That is the key to peace.

Pbel doesn't seem to understand that the Muslims don't want to see the Jews govern any piece of land in the Middle East no matter how tiny. I don't even think he is conscious of the fact that they are murdering non Muslims and even Muslims of different sects. I have never seen him bring this up at any time on a Middle East Discussiom Board. In addition to his oldies he was always busy blaming the 'Zionists.'


jt2

 

[pbel]

Yes, it's been working out great for the Palestinians these last 65 years!

The Palestinians are the Pawns in this struggle...It is a Western Invassion into Islamic Lands for the Muslim people and the powers who control them...On this issue they all agree.

It is my hope that a two state solution will mitigate the hate of the last 65 years with a peace in which Israel helps the Economies of the ME thrive and trade will bring the fruits of friendship.

Look at Germany and Japan...indeed friends of the USA through TRADE! That is the key to peace.

Pbel doesn't seem to understand that the Muslims don't want to see the Jews govern any piece of land in the Middle East no matter how tiny. I don't even think he is conscious of the fact that they are murdering non Muslims and even Muslims of different sects. I have never seen him bring this up at any time on a Middle East Discussiom Board. In addition to his oldies he was always busy blaming the 'Zionists.'


jt2

The Islamic World encompasses many more nations that donot have violence. And yes HossFly there are many Muslim States espescially in the ME whose borders were drawn by the Western Powers to pit diverse groups piting them against each other, an old British divide and conquor rule.

Also, you conveiniently forget that in 2002 the Arab Leagues 27 members offered Israel total Peace, Trade and normalization. Israel refused to even consider it.

The Arab Spring is a result of that failure. The Cat is now out of the bag! The peoples' Radicalization.

 

[Hossfly]

The Palestinians are the Pawns in this struggle...It is a Western Invassion into Islamic Lands for the Muslim people and the powers who control them...On this issue they all agree.

It is my hope that a two state solution will mitigate the hate of the last 65 years with a peace in which Israel helps the Economies of the ME thrive and trade will bring the fruits of friendship.

Look at Germany and Japan...indeed friends of the USA through TRADE! That is the key to peace.

Pbel doesn't seem to understand that the Muslims don't want to see the Jews govern any piece of land in the Middle East no matter how tiny. I don't even think he is conscious of the fact that they are murdering non Muslims and even Muslims of different sects. I have never seen him bring this up at any time on a Middle East Discussiom Board. In addition to his oldies he was always busy blaming the 'Zionists.'


jt2

The Islamic World encompasses many more nations that donot have violence. And yes HossFly there are many Muslim States espescially in the ME whose borders were drawn by the Western Powers to pit diverse groups piting them against each other, an old British divide and conquor rule.

Also, you conveiniently forget that in 2002 the Arab Leagues 27 members offered Israel total Peace, Trade and normalization. Israel refused to even consider it.

The Arab Spring is a result of that failure. The Cat is now out of the bag! The peoples' Radicalization.

Yes, Pbel, that is why the Egyptians are killing the Copts because of Israel and the West. Why are the Shiites killing the Sunnis and vice versa in Iraq and other places? Do you blame this on Israel and the West?



jt2

 

[Saigon]

Why stop with Syria when there are many Muslim countries where people want to leave for a better life. Take the Shiites and Ahmadis for example. They are always being killed in Pakistan, the Land of the Pure, by the Sunnis. They actually are safer living among the Hindus in India.


jt2

Just as people move from India, Russia and Honduras.

Do people move from Hondruas to the US because of Islam, too?

I think not.

 

[Artevelde]

Hossfly -

Are there many people in America from Guatemala? Russia? Viet Nam?

It's only natural that people want to leave poorer countries for wealthier ones. I am not cinvinced they are always better off by doing so in the long run, but I understand they want to go.

The US is wealthier and safer than Syria, so naturally Syrians want to move.

There are quite a few wealthy Arab countries. Apparently they are not so attractive.

 

[Saigon]

Art -

I'm not so sure....I don't hear of too many Qataris or Kuwaitis struggling to make ends meet, or claiming asylum on our shores.

They may not be paradises to us, but I doubt they are any less attractive places to live than much of Asia, Africa, Central or South America.

 

[Artevelde]

Art -

I'm not so sure....I don't hear of too many Qataris or Kuwaitis struggling to make ends meet, or claiming asylum on our shores.

They may not be paradises to us, but I doubt they are any less attractive places to live than much of Asia, Africa, Central or South America.

What I meant was that people from Arab countries seeking a better life seldom turn to other arab countries, but prefer the West.

Particularly disturbing is the fact that over the last several decades Christian communities in many Arab countries have come under very great pressure.