The future in Mexico

[elektra]

yes, lets increase the use of heavy industry. We can build solar panels every day, every hour of the day, a week, all year. We must build and build and build, that will save the world, building more stuff that dont work.

 

[Old Rocks]

Well now, there are a bunch of nation and companies that totally disagree with you. Guess we see who is correct in the coming years. LOL

 

[elektra]

Well now, there are a bunch of nation and companies that totally disagree with you. Guess we see who is correct in the coming years. LOL

you drinking again, old crock, your response is gibberish. And as you like to demand, comnent, "quote and link or you are a fucking liar".

 

[Old Rocks]

Quick Facts

• There are nearly 6,000 major solar projects currently in the database, representing roughly 70 GW of capacity.
• The list shows that there is over 20.5 GWac of major solar projects currently operating.
• There remains an enormous amount of capacity in the pipeline, with over 49 GW of PV and CSP projects either under construction or under development.

Major Solar Projects List | SEIA

A lot of solar power coming online.

 

[Old Rocks]

This article has been Updated on 6/27/17

*As of June 2017 China and India have taken over as the leading developers of large scale solar projects.

U.S. demand for solar power is surging despite an economic recession, thanks to government financial incentives, some easing in credit availability, and increasing public recognition of its environmental benefits. Although the largest utility scale plants are outside the United States, 2 Plants currently in construction in California and New Mexico will balance the European dominance in large scale solar utility projects.

Top 5 Largest Solar Power Plants of the World | SolarInsure

And this is just the start.

 

[Old Rocks]

Another future in solar.

 

[elektra]

Quick Facts

• There are nearly 6,000 major solar projects currently in the database, representing roughly 70 GW of capacity.
• The list shows that there is over 20.5 GWac of major solar projects currently operating.
• There remains an enormous amount of capacity in the pipeline, with over 49 GW of PV and CSP projects either under construction or under development.

Major Solar Projects List | SEIA

A lot of solar power coming online.

Once again Old Crock's link proves old crock is a liar!
Ivanpah? You produce a list that states Ivanpah is thee largest Solar Power plant in the world? Ivanpah is a complete failure!!! Ivanpah now operates as a natural gas boiler! So your list is of all failed, solar plants, installed power, in theory! Complete utter bullshit. Ivanpah is not operating, today, tomorrow, or yesterday. Ivanpah is 3 solar plants. How many other failed solar plants are on the list. I picked out three in 3 seconds. Old crock is lousy liar.

 

[Old Rocks]

So, out of 6000, you pick Ivanpah. Funny as hell. So Ivanpah has taught us that route to solar power is not an easy on. However, there are gigawatts of PV solar power already in, and much more on the way.

California invested heavily in solar power. Now there's so much that other states are sometimes paid to take it

Not long ago, solar was barely a rounding error for California’s energy producers.

In 2010, power plants in the state generated just over 15% of their electricity production from renewable sources. But that was mostly wind and geothermal power, with only a scant 0.5% from solar. Now that overall amount has grown to 27%, with solar power accounting for 10%, or most of the increase. The solar figure doesn’t include the hundreds of thousands of rooftop solar systems that produce an additional 4 percentage points, a share that is ever growing.

 

[elektra]

So, out of 6000, you pick Ivanpah. Funny as hell. So Ivanpah has taught us that route to solar power is not an easy on. However, there are gigawatts of PV solar power already in, and much more on the way.

California invested heavily in solar power. Now there's so much that other states are sometimes paid to take it

Not long ago, solar was barely a rounding error for California’s energy producers.

In 2010, power plants in the state generated just over 15% of their electricity production from renewable sources. But that was mostly wind and geothermal power, with only a scant 0.5% from solar. Now that overall amount has grown to 27%, with solar power accounting for 10%, or most of the increase. The solar figure doesn’t include the hundreds of thousands of rooftop solar systems that produce an additional 4 percentage points, a share that is ever growing.

California has to import more electricity every year. Despite the nonsensical claims you make old crock. California imports about a quarter of its electricity on average - Today in Energy - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

 

[gipper]

As long as the government isn't involved in it, I'm fine with solar infrastructure.

As a traditional conservative, I do want to conserve natural resources and the environment..

Of course the government will be involved. Here in Oregon with have basalt ridges, mostly rock, with vast wind and solar potential. That is BLM land, so the use of it would be controlled by the government. But, by throwing a grid from the Idaho border to Klamath Falls, and charging for the electricity going across it, the government could pay for it the same as we payed for the Interstate System. Utilities would build solar and wind projects, and pay for the use of the land the same as they do for the wheat farmers east of The Dallas. And that money could provide much needed funds for the upkeep of our national parks and monuments.

Why bother when we have so much oil, natural gas and coal?

 

[elektra]

So, out of 6000, you pick Ivanpah. Funny as hell. So Ivanpah has taught us that route to solar power is not an easy on. However, there are gigawatts of PV solar power already in, and much more on the way.

California invested heavily in solar power. Now there's so much that other states are sometimes paid to take it

Not long ago, solar was barely a rounding error for California’s energy producers.

In 2010, power plants in the state generated just over 15% of their electricity production from renewable sources. But that was mostly wind and geothermal power, with only a scant 0.5% from solar. Now that overall amount has grown to 27%, with solar power accounting for 10%, or most of the increase. The solar figure doesn’t include the hundreds of thousands of rooftop solar systems that produce an additional 4 percentage points, a share that is ever growing.

You agree that Ivanpah has failed yet old crocks own link proves the lie by claiming Ivanpah is 10% of renewables. That one plant out of the 6000 accounts for 10%! Now the total is 27%, 15% for wind 10% for Ivanpah and 2% for the other 5999 solar projects!

In the Mojave Desert at the California/Nevada border, the Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System uses 347,000 garage-door-sized mirrors to heat water that powers steam generators. This solar thermal plant — one of the clean energy facilities that helps produce 10% of the state’s electricity. (Mark Boster / Los Angeles Times)

The quote is from your link old crock. It proves all the lies.

 

[Old Rocks]

So, out of 6000, you pick Ivanpah. Funny as hell. So Ivanpah has taught us that route to solar power is not an easy on. However, there are gigawatts of PV solar power already in, and much more on the way.

California invested heavily in solar power. Now there's so much that other states are sometimes paid to take it

Not long ago, solar was barely a rounding error for California’s energy producers.

In 2010, power plants in the state generated just over 15% of their electricity production from renewable sources. But that was mostly wind and geothermal power, with only a scant 0.5% from solar. Now that overall amount has grown to 27%, with solar power accounting for 10%, or most of the increase. The solar figure doesn’t include the hundreds of thousands of rooftop solar systems that produce an additional 4 percentage points, a share that is ever growing.

California has to import more electricity every year. Despite the nonsensical claims you make old crock. California imports about a quarter of its electricity on average - Today in Energy - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

In 2016, the California grid region, which covers most of the state and a small portion of Nevada, imported a net daily average of 201 million kilowatthours (kWh) throughout the year from other western regions, or about 26% of its average daily demand. Those imports were supplied by the other two regions that make up the Western Interconnect (WECC). The Northwest region of WECC, which includes most of Colorado, Idaho, Nevada, Montana, Oregon, Utah, Wyoming, Washington, and a small area of northern California, supplied a daily average of 122 million kWh. The bulk of the remaining imports to the California region, 68 million kWh per day on average, came from the Southwest region of WECC, which includes much of Arizona, New Mexico, and small portions of Nevada and Texas.

Daily net interchange values reflect the sum of hourly electricity flows on transmission lines between the balancing authorities that manage regional electric production and consumption. Despite net daily imports, on an hourly basis, the California region sometimes exports electricity. Although in aggregate these regions reflect overall importing and exporting trends, the net flow of electricity for an individual balancing authority within each region may differ from the overall regional totals.

California imports about a quarter of its electricity on average - Today in Energy - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

Yes, California is the industrial powerhouse on the West Coast, and were it a separate nation, would be the fifth biggest economy in the world. And it uses a lot of power, and generates a lot of power.

 

[Old Rocks]

Damn, you are a fucking illiterate, Miss Elektra.

[In the Mojave Desert at the California/Nevada border, the Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System uses 347,000 garage-door-sized mirrors to heat water that powers steam generators. This solar thermal plant — one of the clean energy facilities that helps produce 10% of the state’s electricity. (Mark Boster / Los Angeles Times)]

 

[jasonnfree]

As goeorge Carlin would say , golf courses, cementarys and now solar farms a waste of space ..

Carlin had the same opinion of republicans. A waste of space. Link below

 

[elektra]

Damn, you are a fucking illiterate, Miss Elektra.

[In the Mojave Desert at the California/Nevada border, the Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System uses 347,000 garage-door-sized mirrors to heat water that powers steam generators. This solar thermal plant — one of the clean energy facilities that helps produce 10% of the state’s electricity. (Mark Boster / Los Angeles Times)]

Yes, a very decieving article. Not one mention that Ivanpah uses matural gas and does not qualify as clean energy or that it destroyed 6 square miles of desert.

 

[elektra]

Yes, California is the industrial powerhouse on the West Coast, and were it a separate nation, would be the fifth biggest economy in the world. And it uses a lot of power, and generates a lot of power.

Technically California is not an Industrial power house. That position has long fell by the wayside. Restrictive democrats pushing green energy destroyed that. 5th? Maybe, doubtful and irrelevant. The fact remains that california has destroyed its place as a state for industry and it is destroying its agriculture. At the same time green energy is raising the cost of electricity and fails to meet the needs of the people. Other states are getting rich off of california buy supplying this tumbling powerhouse with its basic needs

 

[elektra]

Technically California is not an Industrial power house. That position has long fell by the wayside. Restrictive democrats pushing green energy destroyed that. 5th? Maybe, doubtful and irrelevant. The fact remains that california has destroyed its place as a state for industry and it is destroying its agriculture. At the same time green energy is raising the cost of electricity and fails to meet the needs of the people. Other states are getting rich off of california buy supplying this tumbling powerhouse with its basic needs

 

[anotherlife]

Technically California is not an Industrial power house. That position has long fell by the wayside. Restrictive democrats pushing green energy destroyed that. 5th? Maybe, doubtful and irrelevant. The fact remains that california has destroyed its place as a state for industry and it is destroying its agriculture. At the same time green energy is raising the cost of electricity and fails to meet the needs of the people. Other states are getting rich off of california buy supplying this tumbling powerhouse with its basic needs

Enron 2002. California is also too big to fail.