FOURTH ESTATE: Journalists, newspapers, magazines, television, radio. All means of communication of the news of the day to the population as a whole. I am not going to specify any single issue in this thread but devote it to the Fourth Estate in general and the deplorable state into which most of it finds itself. Perhaps others will be motivated to include examples, good and bad, as we go along. No need for extensive discussion on any particular topic as the good stuff deserves its own thread, though of course discussion is always welcome. I hope we will illustrate the intentional dishonesty, blatant bias, and shoddy journalism that is prevalent through the whole slimy mess as well as the better sources that are still out there. Of course we aren't all going to agree on which news organizations deserve the most criticism, and we won't agree on what is good reporting and what is wanting. Our Leftist friends consider any news source that does not condemn something or somebody right of center to be biased; ditto our friends right of center don't accept much that glosses over or supports most concepts on the left. But whatever your views, please leave the schoolyard insults at the door and try to keep it civil. If we cannot conduct an adult conversation re a single concept on which we may or may not agree, then perhaps there is no hope that journalism could return to objectivity either?