The founders idea of a political spectrum

[Mr.Fitnah]

Strong government >>>>>>>>>>>self government >>>>>>>>>>No government
Facism
Communism >>>>>>>>>>where the founders X drew the line>>>>xAnarchy.
Police states.

the typical inaccurate spectrum

A more accurate spectrum

It makes no sense to draw a spectrum based on the platforms of a political party that can change from generation to generation, or on the seating charts of Euroabian parliaments.

 

[Baruch Menachem]

By the beard of the profit, you need to be a bit more sober before you post things like this.

I might agree with you, I usually do, but I can't figure out what you are doing here

 

[Samson]

By the beard of the profit, you need to be a bit more sober before you post things like this.

I might agree with you, I usually do, but I can't figure out what you are doing here

Yeah.

wtf.

 

[Kalam]

makes sense

Not one bit. Props for consistency.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

try it now, its a line from to much government> through to the place the founders chooseX> to anarchy

 

[Samson]

I'm voting "no" the thread makes no sense.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

the typical inaccurate spectrum

A more accurate spectrum

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Placing the political world into this more accurate framework yields a number of important corollary benefits and insights:

Gone is the muddled notion that if one moves too far from tyranny, one only encounters more tyranny. Liberty is the opposite of tyranny, and the more accurate spectrum makes that clear.
Leftist critics become less persuasive when depicting conservatives as incipient fascists. They can no longer warn that if one becomes too conservative, one becomes a fascist tyrant. To the contrary, the conservative is identified with liberty, while the liberal has more affinity with tyranny, whether soft or hard.
Moderates lose their hallowed position and aura of wisdom and restraint. They are simply a bit more conservative than liberals and more liberal than conservatives, i.e. they are less jealous of their liberty than are those to their right.
Libertarianism has a home. It resides at the right end of the spectrum, reflecting the maximization of liberty.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

If you are unable to comprehend this it, is on you not I.

 

[Samson]

If you are unable to comprehend this it, is on you not I.

If you are not unable to comprehend this it, is under you not upon I.

 

[Baruch Menachem]

Ah, with the graphic it makes more sense.

The spectrum is not between tweedledum and tweedledumber, but from freedom to slavery. Labels are irrelevant, reality is what counts. People who want to wear the jackboot standing on their neighbor's neck vs those who respect their neighbor's rights as well as their own responsibilities.

I can agree to that.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Ah, with the graphic it makes more sense.

The spectrum is not between tweedledum and tweedledumber, but from freedom to slavery. Labels are irrelevant, reality is what counts. People who want to wear the jackboot standing on their neighbor's neck vs those who respect their neighbor's rights as well as their own responsibilities.

I can agree to that.

With this line you cant play political pot and kettle games, you are either moving towards oppression and tyranny or liberty,
I can see why it isnt used.

 

[rightwinger]

I vote that the founding fathers had no conception of the complexities of government today

 

[hortysir]

the typical inaccurate spectrum

I agree with the "inaccurate" depiction.
Too extreme, in either direction, would rob liberties

 

[ihopehefails]

I hate the idea of labels anyways since it pigeon holes people into a certain way of thinking. We should not use them and just say what we believe.

 

[Sheldon]

Anarchy -v- Authoritarianism
Conservatism -v- Progressivism

The world ain't that black and white, so I bet most people are somewhere in between those terms. Like there's no pure capitalist economy, or socialist economy.

Liberalism on that graph would've meant something different to the founders than it is commonly understood today. Google "'The Great Switch' Barzun"

 

[goldcatt]

the typical inaccurate spectrum

I agree with the "inaccurate" depiction.
Too extreme, in either direction, would rob liberties

Agreed. It's in the nature of extremism to be intolerant of liberty. Extremists seek both control and ideological purity, liberty is anathema to both.

I would say the "inaccurate" depiction is more oversimplified than incorrect. But it serves its purpose.

 

[Vast LWC]

Well, see, here's the problem.

Conservatism does in fact promote economic freedom, but it does not promote social freedom.

Liberalism promotes social freedom, but does not promote economic freedom.

So, your chart needs another dimension, an x,y axis.

Like this:

This is known as the "Nolan Chart", and is much more accurate.

Note that it's creator, David Nolan, was a staunch Libertarian.

You can check out the Nolan Chart here .

 

[Vast LWC]

Though I'm not really sure that "Populist" and "Totalitarian" are really synonyms in todays vernacular.