The Following People Are Traitors

[5stringJeff]

BTW, fuck Bill Frist. Worst leadership you could have in a supposedly Conservative party.

Bill Frist is pitiful.

And I owe you rep.

 

[5stringJeff]

Did our own ancestors not "invade" this country over the course of the last 200 years?

If they came here legally and applied to become citizens, then no, they didn't.

 

[Dr Grump]

If they came here legally and applied to become citizens, then no, they didn't.

He probably means between 1492 and 1776....:happy2:

 

[KarlMarx]

Here's the deal....

At one time, the Roman Empire was the most powerful entity in the world. Slowly they allowed the invading barbarians to penetrate their borders, get a foothold and eventually brought down the Western Empire. The Roman Empire fell partly because of illegal immigration.

Now, we have the continent of Europe with a large foreign population, from an alien culture, brought in to do the jobs that no one else wanted. They not only did not assimilate, they do not consider themselves to be citizens of the countries they live in. Now many of these people are unemployed, or unemployable, or both. They haven't assimilated, they're volatile, and they're violent in many cases. This large foreign population I speak of are the Muslims.

We've seen the result. They riot, they cause mayhem, many are adherents of a radical form of Islam.

Now, our esteemed Senators, not willing to learn from history, are going to help this country repeat it. Don't be fooled. We will live to see the results of this travesty of legislation. We will have large scale riots, we will see a large segment of the population consider themselves other than American. We will pay for their medicines, their education and they will pay us back by cutting our throats.

Our Senators won't care, though, they'll be off in some secluded, exclusive neighborhood and won't have to worry about the rest of us.

 

[Avatar4321]

Bill Frist is pitiful.

And I owe you rep.

Do you know whats incredibly stupid. Frist and McCain just sealed their fate. There is no chance in hell they are going to get the Republican nomination for President now.

Now McCain really had little chance as it was, but Frist has totally ruined his chance now as well. Pretty sad.

And the President is pretty disappointing here as well. He had the potential to be a real leader, but he really seems to blow it.

 

[opewon]

Ditto here...Both Lugar and Bayh sold us out. I'm so livid about this issue it makes me sick. So what are we going to do about it? I'm calling every Congressman and Senator that voted for this attrocious bill and giving them hell and tell them (or their assistants) that I WON"T forget, and come election day and I won't be voting for them election day. Gonna make darn sure that I talk to everyone I know and tell them to get off their butts and tell them the same thing!

 

[no1tovote4]

I've spent a long time working to get a Conservative Congress/Executive branch only to be disappointed entirely with the result. What happened to the (small l) libertarians in the Republican Party?

 

[Annie]

I've spent a long time working to get a Conservative Congress/Executive branch only to be disappointed entirely with the result. What happened to the (small l) libertarians in the Republican Party?

There are a few, but not influential. They need grassroots across the country, perhaps with another party. The Libertarian Party is a joke. We need something, something different.

 

[no1tovote4]

There are a few, but not influential. They need grassroots across the country, perhaps with another party. The Libertarian Party is a joke. We need something, something different.

No kidding and the "Constitutional Party" is even worse. There is almost nowhere for a Conservative Libertarian to reside and actually get representation.

 

[Annie]

No kidding and the "Constitutional Party" is even worse. There is almost nowhere for a Conservative Libertarian to reside and actually get representation.

Agreed. I'm a good 'worker bee' but not an organizer. Wish there were someone to step up, today. I have no fear that someone will, eventually.

 

[007]

So, I got the voting record for the immigration vote earlier today straight from the U.S. Senate web site. link

The following people are traitors to this country and should be thrown in jail for not only endorsing a foreign invasion of this country but attempting to hide it from the citizens of this country.



The following people are the true patriots, willing to stand up fro what is truly right.



The following people are spineless, yellow bellied weasels who are to afraid of their own shadows to actually take a stand on an issue.



If you are represented by anybody in the first or third catagories, write them, e-mail them, kick down their doors, or do whatever you have to do to let them know that this is these are their last terms in office, and that you will make it your personal mission to make sure none of them ever so much as holds a seat on the city water conservation board of a one street town.

Having trouble finding yours? At the link above, you can find them listed by state, as well.

I've copied that list to a PDF file. I'm going to keep an eye on it. Granted, in Nevada I already know who NOT to vote for, I'd still like to remember who voted to sell out America.

 

[Mariner]

Calling people traitors because they voted in a democratic process is bizarre.

I understand the gut feeling many people have that it's wrong to give "free pass" to people who entered the country illegally, but the situation is a little bit more complicated than that:

1. Perhaps the real traitors would be the American business owners who hire all these illegal aliens, and those of us who buy their products? That would include every voter whose landscaping, nannying, salad-picking, nursing home attending, etc. etc. needs are handled by illegal aliens. Without a demand, there would be no supply.

2. KarlMarx's argument that this is something like the Roman Empire letting in barbarians is silly. These people are hardworking and willing to take enormous risks to work for money. Sounds like good future Americans to me.

3. There is no practical alternative. It would be inordinately expensive and require vast police action to locate and deport 11+ million people, and then keep them out. One non-partisan researcher commented that building a wall actually helps keep them in--many would prefer to work here briefly then return home, but the harder it is to cross the border, the more they get stuck here.

4. Look back just a generation or two. The Chinese were going to destroy our civilization. Then the "inferior" southern Europeans (Greeks, Italians) were going to do it. It's the same old arguments, over and over, and they all represent fear of diversity and newness--and they all deny that humans are not native to North America, so we're all visitors here.

5. Some of the Republicans voting in favor of immigrants do so for very good reasons. Martinez of Florida was an illegal himself, and now he's a U.S. Congressperson. Pete Domenici's mother was arrested in his home, at family dinnertime--she was here illegally from Italy. Several other Republicans find themselves in the same boat.

If you really want to end illegal immigration, the fastest way would likely be by clamping down on employers, requiring proof of citizenship to get a job in this country. Then we'd be up a creek in terms of lack of labor. There was a terrific piece on Sunday, I think, in the New York Times, by a conservative columnist quoting an elderly Republican woman in a nursing home, thanking God for the illegals who care for her.

Mariner.

 

[Hobbit]

Calling people traitors because they voted in a democratic process is bizarre.

I understand the gut feeling many people have that it's wrong to give "free pass" to people who entered the country illegally, but the situation is a little bit more complicated than that:

I don't really see any gray area in granting legitimacy to millions of criminals who have a stated goal of taking the southwest and making it part of Mexico. One of the sworn jobs of Congress is to protect the country, its citizens, and our Constitution. Legalizing millions of lawbreakers who leech off of our welfare programs, pay no taxes, are far more likely to commit violent crimes, and complicate our lives by refusing to learn the language seems like a dereliction of duty to me. Attempting to fool the American people into thinking they really are doing something about the problem just so the spineless weasels can keep their cushy jobs at our expense is downright treasonous.

1. Perhaps the real traitors would be the American business owners who hire all these illegal aliens, and those of us who buy their products? That would include every voter whose landscaping, nannying, salad-picking, nursing home attending, etc. etc. needs are handled by illegal aliens. Without a demand, there would be no supply.

Yes, everybody who knowingly supports illegal immigration is right there along with them.

2. KarlMarx's argument that this is something like the Roman Empire letting in barbarians is silly. These people are hardworking and willing to take enormous risks to work for money. Sounds like good future Americans to me.

These are the lies fed by the pro-illegal lobby. Yes, some of them are hardworking, but they still cut in front of the line, an act that taints everything else that they do. They pay no taxes, collect welfare, and they don't want to become citizens. They want to take all that money back to Mexico and retire. They also bring in a lot of illegal goods, like drugs and guns, along with the organized crime that follows such vices. No, this migration is an invasion.

3. There is no practical alternative. It would be inordinately expensive and require vast police action to locate and deport 11+ million people, and then keep them out. One non-partisan researcher commented that building a wall actually helps keep them in--many would prefer to work here briefly then return home, but the harder it is to cross the border, the more they get stuck here.

We don't have to round them up. If we yank out the welcome mat by actually requiring proof of citizenship/legal residency for drivers' licenses, welfare, food stamps, and actually enforce our laws against hiring them, they'll deport themselves. They can legally cross from America to Mexico. We won't stop them unless they have outstanding warrants.

4. Look back just a generation or two. The Chinese were going to destroy our civilization. Then the "inferior" southern Europeans (Greeks, Italians) were going to do it. It's the same old arguments, over and over, and they all represent fear of diversity and newness--and they all deny that humans are not native to North America, so we're all visitors here.

There's a fundamental problem with your argument. All those Chinese, Europeans, etc. were here legally. They learned the language. They assimilated. They stayed. These people do none of these things. They don't know English. They didn't enter legally. Many of them take their money back to Mexico instead of staying here. They also don't assimilate. They make their own little communities to ensure they never have to learn English and call anyone racist who thinks they should have to learn English. One more time, now, this influx of invaders is completely ILLEGAL. These ones you brought up were all perfectly legal involving following the legal process properly.

5. Some of the Republicans voting in favor of immigrants do so for very good reasons. Martinez of Florida was an illegal himself, and now he's a U.S. Congressperson. Pete Domenici's mother was arrested in his home, at family dinnertime--she was here illegally from Italy. Several other Republicans find themselves in the same boat.

That's no excuse. I have a friend who's in jail for child porn. Does that mean that if I'm ever in Congress, I have a good excuse to vote for a bill that legalizes child porn? They have an obligation to uphold our laws, whether they have relatives who broke them or not.

If you really want to end illegal immigration, the fastest way would likely be by clamping down on employers, requiring proof of citizenship to get a job in this country. Then we'd be up a creek in terms of lack of labor. There was a terrific piece on Sunday, I think, in the New York Times, by a conservative columnist quoting an elderly Republican woman in a nursing home, thanking God for the illegals who care for her.

Mariner.

Yes, those things would help, but the first thing we need to do is stop pussyfooting with Mexico and close the damn border, something the senate refuses to do. And the second part is a total myth. If illegals weren't doing the jobs, somebody else would. Demand creates supply. Even in industries that heavily employ illegals, the percentage of employees who are illegal is still less than 15%, and it's estimated that paying legal taxpayers to do the same job would raise prices, at most, 7%. OH NOES, NOT 7%. IT'S TEH END OF TEH WORLD!!!! We don't need them. They don't need us. And both groups would be better off WITHOUT Vicente Fox.

Oh, and we know who you are. Your name's at the top of the post, remember?

 

[5stringJeff]

No kidding and the "Constitutional Party" is even worse. There is almost nowhere for a Conservative Libertarian to reside and actually get representation.

The problem with the Libertarian and Constitution Parties is that they don't do grassroots. All you ever hear from the Constitution Party is Petrouka's quadrenial Presidential campaigns. If these parties got some grassroots organization and started running candidates in local races, they might make a name for themselves.

 

[CSM]

Calling people traitors because they voted in a democratic process is bizarre.

I understand the gut feeling many people have that it's wrong to give "free pass" to people who entered the country illegally, but the situation is a little bit more complicated than that:

1. Perhaps the real traitors would be the American business owners who hire all these illegal aliens, and those of us who buy their products? That would include every voter whose landscaping, nannying, salad-picking, nursing home attending, etc. etc. needs are handled by illegal aliens. Without a demand, there would be no supply.

2. KarlMarx's argument that this is something like the Roman Empire letting in barbarians is silly. These people are hardworking and willing to take enormous risks to work for money. Sounds like good future Americans to me.

3. There is no practical alternative. It would be inordinately expensive and require vast police action to locate and deport 11+ million people, and then keep them out. One non-partisan researcher commented that building a wall actually helps keep them in--many would prefer to work here briefly then return home, but the harder it is to cross the border, the more they get stuck here.

4. Look back just a generation or two. The Chinese were going to destroy our civilization. Then the "inferior" southern Europeans (Greeks, Italians) were going to do it. It's the same old arguments, over and over, and they all represent fear of diversity and newness--and they all deny that humans are not native to North America, so we're all visitors here.

5. Some of the Republicans voting in favor of immigrants do so for very good reasons. Martinez of Florida was an illegal himself, and now he's a U.S. Congressperson. Pete Domenici's mother was arrested in his home, at family dinnertime--she was here illegally from Italy. Several other Republicans find themselves in the same boat.

If you really want to end illegal immigration, the fastest way would likely be by clamping down on employers, requiring proof of citizenship to get a job in this country. Then we'd be up a creek in terms of lack of labor. There was a terrific piece on Sunday, I think, in the New York Times, by a conservative columnist quoting an elderly Republican woman in a nursing home, thanking God for the illegals who care for her.

Mariner.

Point of order: Martinez was NOT an Illegal alien....and Domenici's mother was not arrested because she was here illegally from Italy...I have provided links for disproving these falsehoods before; you all can look for the truth yourselves this time.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Mariner, it's not because they voted. It's what they voted for that matters. You know that.

 

[Redhots]

They also don't assimilate.

Thats because we (corporations and their bought and paid for political allies) never wanted them to.

If they did and became Americans then they would have to be paid a minimum wage and be entitled to various worker's rights which doesn't work too well with some business models.

If I was a savvy marketing guru I would advise my employer to start slapping "Made by Americans" stickers on all their products and then reap the windfall... provided they could make that claim with a straight face that is.

 

[Hobbit]

Thats because we (corporations and their bought and paid for political allies) never wanted them to.

If they did and became Americans then they would have to be paid a minimum wage and be entitled to various worker's rights which doesn't work too well with some business models.

If I was a savvy marketing guru I would advise my employer to start slapping "Made by Americans" stickers on all their products and then reap the windfall... provided they could make that claim with a straight face that is.

There's no f-ing way for a corporation to keep someone from assimilating if they want to. Nearly everyone speaks English around here. If you live in the United States and don't speak English, it's because you don't want to. If you want to assimilate, you can. You're acting as though the ENTIRE thing is the corporations' fault, and while there wouldn't be a supply if there wasn't a demand, this also wouldn't be a problem if the damn Mexicans would stay in their own damn country instead of ploughing into ours. There's also a supply and demand for hitmen in this country. Do the hitmen get a free ride? I mean, after all, they wouldn't be hitmen if the mob bosses didn't want people whacked, so following your same logic, they should be excused from punishment while we concentrate on the 'real' criminals.