The First Multirole Fighter

[Daryl Hunt]

No, there wasn't. Not even close. Germany produced slightly over 1,400 262's. Less than 300 of them ever saw combat. Why do you think that is?

They were awaiting conversion. The fuel tank got smaller and a bomb bay was added. As I already noted. Hitler was manic about it and the involved people were forbidden to call it a fighter because it had to be a Blitzbomber.

An absolutely laughable assertion.

Look it up, then.

In the middle of 1943 when they started the Bomber Fortress idea in daylight bombing you are right and it was even worse than that. But it ended up averaging out about what you claim. After October of 1943, the bomber losses dropped to almost zero but the new fighter escort losses went way, way up. This also made the win/loss record for the P-38 look very deceptive. The Luftwaffe changed tactics and even with the new P-51 coming on line, the bomber losses came back on line but not nearly as deadly. And by March of 1944, the bomber losses were almost zero to Luftwaffe fighters but there were still plenty of losses to AA to go around. By Jan 1945, the AA was almost silent as well. The Multi Role Fighters did their jobs and did them well.

With the P-47 and the P-38 being based out of France, there wasn't a place in Germany that was safe from them. Of course, this was after the last time that the Luftwaffe had massed their entire Fighter Force and tried to cripple the Allied Fighters stationed in France and failed miserably. And, yes, there was a lot of luck involved on the P-47s side that day that the P-47s spotted the attacking force enabling the P-51s time to launch as well as the other P-47s. And there just wasn't enough experienced Luftwaffe Pilots in those seats either. But it was a good gamble. It really was a gamble, use those fighters in battle or lose them on the ground for the Luftwaffe. I know there used to be clip from the Discovery Channel that documented this but I can't find it now. Such a grand gamble. By that late in the war, the P-38 and the P-47 were doing the greater damage to the German war effort than the P-51 since the P-38 and the P-47 could take out locomotives, tanks and just about anything they ran across. But let a Luftwaffe Fighter show up and if the P-51 didn't bag them in the air, the Mustang would follow it home and bag it either on landing or on the ground. Or maybe, the P-38 or the P-47 would have enough gas left and have empty racks and do the fighter thing as well. That's one of the advantages of a Multi Role Fighter.

You can have a great Multirole fighter but when you have only one task left, going after bombers and their escort, it doesn´t mean anything anymore.

The 109 was designed as a point defense fighter. And it was very good at it. Until later fighters came on line, it was the best at it. It was a one trick pony and all it's design was to do just that job. If it was only to go up against other fighters, they would have put in more than 2 12.7mm machine guns. Instead, they put in those nasty cannons for the bombers. Since it was a point defense fighter, range really wasn't that important. It did bite them in the butt for the battle of britain though when they tried to use it as a bomber escort which took it outside of it's wheelhouse.

 

[Bleipriester]

They were awaiting conversion. The fuel tank got smaller and a bomb bay was added. As I already noted. Hitler was manic about it and the involved people were forbidden to call it a fighter because it had to be a Blitzbomber.

An absolutely laughable assertion.

Look it up, then.

In the middle of 1943 when they started the Bomber Fortress idea in daylight bombing you are right and it was even worse than that. But it ended up averaging out about what you claim. After October of 1943, the bomber losses dropped to almost zero but the new fighter escort losses went way, way up. This also made the win/loss record for the P-38 look very deceptive. The Luftwaffe changed tactics and even with the new P-51 coming on line, the bomber losses came back on line but not nearly as deadly. And by March of 1944, the bomber losses were almost zero to Luftwaffe fighters but there were still plenty of losses to AA to go around. By Jan 1945, the AA was almost silent as well. The Multi Role Fighters did their jobs and did them well.

With the P-47 and the P-38 being based out of France, there wasn't a place in Germany that was safe from them. Of course, this was after the last time that the Luftwaffe had massed their entire Fighter Force and tried to cripple the Allied Fighters stationed in France and failed miserably. And, yes, there was a lot of luck involved on the P-47s side that day that the P-47s spotted the attacking force enabling the P-51s time to launch as well as the other P-47s. And there just wasn't enough experienced Luftwaffe Pilots in those seats either. But it was a good gamble. It really was a gamble, use those fighters in battle or lose them on the ground for the Luftwaffe. I know there used to be clip from the Discovery Channel that documented this but I can't find it now. Such a grand gamble. By that late in the war, the P-38 and the P-47 were doing the greater damage to the German war effort than the P-51 since the P-38 and the P-47 could take out locomotives, tanks and just about anything they ran across. But let a Luftwaffe Fighter show up and if the P-51 didn't bag them in the air, the Mustang would follow it home and bag it either on landing or on the ground. Or maybe, the P-38 or the P-47 would have enough gas left and have empty racks and do the fighter thing as well. That's one of the advantages of a Multi Role Fighter.

You can have a great Multirole fighter but when you have only one task left, going after bombers and their escort, it doesn´t mean anything anymore.

The 109 was designed as a point defense fighter. And it was very good at it. Until later fighters came on line, it was the best at it. It was a one trick pony and all it's design was to do just that job. If it was only to go up against other fighters, they would have put in more than 2 12.7mm machine guns. Instead, they put in those nasty cannons for the bombers. Since it was a point defense fighter, range really wasn't that important. It did bite them in the butt for the battle of britain though when they tried to use it as a bomber escort which took it outside of it's wheelhouse.

No, I don´t think the 109 had 12,77 mm. Not the early ones at least.
"Point defense fighter" didn´t exist. It was unique.

 

[westwall]

An absolutely laughable assertion.

Look it up, then.

In the middle of 1943 when they started the Bomber Fortress idea in daylight bombing you are right and it was even worse than that. But it ended up averaging out about what you claim. After October of 1943, the bomber losses dropped to almost zero but the new fighter escort losses went way, way up. This also made the win/loss record for the P-38 look very deceptive. The Luftwaffe changed tactics and even with the new P-51 coming on line, the bomber losses came back on line but not nearly as deadly. And by March of 1944, the bomber losses were almost zero to Luftwaffe fighters but there were still plenty of losses to AA to go around. By Jan 1945, the AA was almost silent as well. The Multi Role Fighters did their jobs and did them well.

With the P-47 and the P-38 being based out of France, there wasn't a place in Germany that was safe from them. Of course, this was after the last time that the Luftwaffe had massed their entire Fighter Force and tried to cripple the Allied Fighters stationed in France and failed miserably. And, yes, there was a lot of luck involved on the P-47s side that day that the P-47s spotted the attacking force enabling the P-51s time to launch as well as the other P-47s. And there just wasn't enough experienced Luftwaffe Pilots in those seats either. But it was a good gamble. It really was a gamble, use those fighters in battle or lose them on the ground for the Luftwaffe. I know there used to be clip from the Discovery Channel that documented this but I can't find it now. Such a grand gamble. By that late in the war, the P-38 and the P-47 were doing the greater damage to the German war effort than the P-51 since the P-38 and the P-47 could take out locomotives, tanks and just about anything they ran across. But let a Luftwaffe Fighter show up and if the P-51 didn't bag them in the air, the Mustang would follow it home and bag it either on landing or on the ground. Or maybe, the P-38 or the P-47 would have enough gas left and have empty racks and do the fighter thing as well. That's one of the advantages of a Multi Role Fighter.

You can have a great Multirole fighter but when you have only one task left, going after bombers and their escort, it doesn´t mean anything anymore.

The 109 was designed as a point defense fighter. And it was very good at it. Until later fighters came on line, it was the best at it. It was a one trick pony and all it's design was to do just that job. If it was only to go up against other fighters, they would have put in more than 2 12.7mm machine guns. Instead, they put in those nasty cannons for the bombers. Since it was a point defense fighter, range really wasn't that important. It did bite them in the butt for the battle of britain though when they tried to use it as a bomber escort which took it outside of it's wheelhouse.

No, I don´t think the 109 had 12,77 mm. Not the early ones at least.
"Point defense fighter" didn´t exist. It was unique.

The G models had two MG 131 firing through the prop disc.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

An absolutely laughable assertion.

Look it up, then.

In the middle of 1943 when they started the Bomber Fortress idea in daylight bombing you are right and it was even worse than that. But it ended up averaging out about what you claim. After October of 1943, the bomber losses dropped to almost zero but the new fighter escort losses went way, way up. This also made the win/loss record for the P-38 look very deceptive. The Luftwaffe changed tactics and even with the new P-51 coming on line, the bomber losses came back on line but not nearly as deadly. And by March of 1944, the bomber losses were almost zero to Luftwaffe fighters but there were still plenty of losses to AA to go around. By Jan 1945, the AA was almost silent as well. The Multi Role Fighters did their jobs and did them well.

With the P-47 and the P-38 being based out of France, there wasn't a place in Germany that was safe from them. Of course, this was after the last time that the Luftwaffe had massed their entire Fighter Force and tried to cripple the Allied Fighters stationed in France and failed miserably. And, yes, there was a lot of luck involved on the P-47s side that day that the P-47s spotted the attacking force enabling the P-51s time to launch as well as the other P-47s. And there just wasn't enough experienced Luftwaffe Pilots in those seats either. But it was a good gamble. It really was a gamble, use those fighters in battle or lose them on the ground for the Luftwaffe. I know there used to be clip from the Discovery Channel that documented this but I can't find it now. Such a grand gamble. By that late in the war, the P-38 and the P-47 were doing the greater damage to the German war effort than the P-51 since the P-38 and the P-47 could take out locomotives, tanks and just about anything they ran across. But let a Luftwaffe Fighter show up and if the P-51 didn't bag them in the air, the Mustang would follow it home and bag it either on landing or on the ground. Or maybe, the P-38 or the P-47 would have enough gas left and have empty racks and do the fighter thing as well. That's one of the advantages of a Multi Role Fighter.

You can have a great Multirole fighter but when you have only one task left, going after bombers and their escort, it doesn´t mean anything anymore.

The 109 was designed as a point defense fighter. And it was very good at it. Until later fighters came on line, it was the best at it. It was a one trick pony and all it's design was to do just that job. If it was only to go up against other fighters, they would have put in more than 2 12.7mm machine guns. Instead, they put in those nasty cannons for the bombers. Since it was a point defense fighter, range really wasn't that important. It did bite them in the butt for the battle of britain though when they tried to use it as a bomber escort which took it outside of it's wheelhouse.

No, I don´t think the 109 had 12,77 mm. Not the early ones at least.
"Point defense fighter" didn´t exist. It was unique.

It was the first of it's kind. Later one, the breed would go by other names but that is what was used in that time. The Spit was also of that breed. It's funny, the F-15 was said to have not one ounce for ground attack but look where it ended up. But it had room for expansion. The 109 had no room for expansion. It was what it was. And we are talking about Multi roled fighters, not single mission. And the 109 was a one trick pony. You want to talk about a more multi role Luftwaffe fighter, you might take a look at the 190.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Look it up, then.

In the middle of 1943 when they started the Bomber Fortress idea in daylight bombing you are right and it was even worse than that. But it ended up averaging out about what you claim. After October of 1943, the bomber losses dropped to almost zero but the new fighter escort losses went way, way up. This also made the win/loss record for the P-38 look very deceptive. The Luftwaffe changed tactics and even with the new P-51 coming on line, the bomber losses came back on line but not nearly as deadly. And by March of 1944, the bomber losses were almost zero to Luftwaffe fighters but there were still plenty of losses to AA to go around. By Jan 1945, the AA was almost silent as well. The Multi Role Fighters did their jobs and did them well.

With the P-47 and the P-38 being based out of France, there wasn't a place in Germany that was safe from them. Of course, this was after the last time that the Luftwaffe had massed their entire Fighter Force and tried to cripple the Allied Fighters stationed in France and failed miserably. And, yes, there was a lot of luck involved on the P-47s side that day that the P-47s spotted the attacking force enabling the P-51s time to launch as well as the other P-47s. And there just wasn't enough experienced Luftwaffe Pilots in those seats either. But it was a good gamble. It really was a gamble, use those fighters in battle or lose them on the ground for the Luftwaffe. I know there used to be clip from the Discovery Channel that documented this but I can't find it now. Such a grand gamble. By that late in the war, the P-38 and the P-47 were doing the greater damage to the German war effort than the P-51 since the P-38 and the P-47 could take out locomotives, tanks and just about anything they ran across. But let a Luftwaffe Fighter show up and if the P-51 didn't bag them in the air, the Mustang would follow it home and bag it either on landing or on the ground. Or maybe, the P-38 or the P-47 would have enough gas left and have empty racks and do the fighter thing as well. That's one of the advantages of a Multi Role Fighter.

You can have a great Multirole fighter but when you have only one task left, going after bombers and their escort, it doesn´t mean anything anymore.

The 109 was designed as a point defense fighter. And it was very good at it. Until later fighters came on line, it was the best at it. It was a one trick pony and all it's design was to do just that job. If it was only to go up against other fighters, they would have put in more than 2 12.7mm machine guns. Instead, they put in those nasty cannons for the bombers. Since it was a point defense fighter, range really wasn't that important. It did bite them in the butt for the battle of britain though when they tried to use it as a bomber escort which took it outside of it's wheelhouse.

No, I don´t think the 109 had 12,77 mm. Not the early ones at least.
"Point defense fighter" didn´t exist. It was unique.

The G models had two MG 131 firing through the prop disc.

And the Gustav was the most produced model of all the 109s.

 

[Bleipriester]

In the middle of 1943 when they started the Bomber Fortress idea in daylight bombing you are right and it was even worse than that. But it ended up averaging out about what you claim. After October of 1943, the bomber losses dropped to almost zero but the new fighter escort losses went way, way up. This also made the win/loss record for the P-38 look very deceptive. The Luftwaffe changed tactics and even with the new P-51 coming on line, the bomber losses came back on line but not nearly as deadly. And by March of 1944, the bomber losses were almost zero to Luftwaffe fighters but there were still plenty of losses to AA to go around. By Jan 1945, the AA was almost silent as well. The Multi Role Fighters did their jobs and did them well.

With the P-47 and the P-38 being based out of France, there wasn't a place in Germany that was safe from them. Of course, this was after the last time that the Luftwaffe had massed their entire Fighter Force and tried to cripple the Allied Fighters stationed in France and failed miserably. And, yes, there was a lot of luck involved on the P-47s side that day that the P-47s spotted the attacking force enabling the P-51s time to launch as well as the other P-47s. And there just wasn't enough experienced Luftwaffe Pilots in those seats either. But it was a good gamble. It really was a gamble, use those fighters in battle or lose them on the ground for the Luftwaffe. I know there used to be clip from the Discovery Channel that documented this but I can't find it now. Such a grand gamble. By that late in the war, the P-38 and the P-47 were doing the greater damage to the German war effort than the P-51 since the P-38 and the P-47 could take out locomotives, tanks and just about anything they ran across. But let a Luftwaffe Fighter show up and if the P-51 didn't bag them in the air, the Mustang would follow it home and bag it either on landing or on the ground. Or maybe, the P-38 or the P-47 would have enough gas left and have empty racks and do the fighter thing as well. That's one of the advantages of a Multi Role Fighter.

You can have a great Multirole fighter but when you have only one task left, going after bombers and their escort, it doesn´t mean anything anymore.

The 109 was designed as a point defense fighter. And it was very good at it. Until later fighters came on line, it was the best at it. It was a one trick pony and all it's design was to do just that job. If it was only to go up against other fighters, they would have put in more than 2 12.7mm machine guns. Instead, they put in those nasty cannons for the bombers. Since it was a point defense fighter, range really wasn't that important. It did bite them in the butt for the battle of britain though when they tried to use it as a bomber escort which took it outside of it's wheelhouse.

No, I don´t think the 109 had 12,77 mm. Not the early ones at least.
"Point defense fighter" didn´t exist. It was unique.

The G models had two MG 131 firing through the prop disc.

And the Gustav was the most produced model of all the 109s.

109 G variants:

• Bf 109 G-0: Jäger, Vorserie; Motor DB 601 E, Bewaffnung 2 × 7,92-mm-MG 17, 1 × 20-mm-MG 151/20 als Motorkanone; ausgestattet mit Druckkabine
• Bf 109 G-1: Jäger; Motor DB 605 A, Bewaffnung wie G-0; Druckkabine
  • Bf 109 G-1/R2: leichter Höhenjäger ohne Panzerung und ohne Zusatzkraftstoffanlage, aber mit GM-1-Anlage, 700 km/h in 7000 m, Serie von 80 Maschinen
• Bf 109 G-2: Jäger; Motor und Bewaffnung wie G-1; keine Druckkabine
  • Bf 109 G-2 trop: Jäger; Motor und Bewaffnung wie G-2; tropentaugliche Version (Sandfilter, Notausrüstung)
  • Bf 109 G-2/R1: Jaborei, Jagdbomber mit vergrößerter Reichweite: 1 × 500-kg-Bombe unter dem Rumpf, 2 × 300-l-Zusatztanks unter den Flächen, nur Versuch.
  • Bf 109 G-2/R2: Aufklärer; Motor und Bewaffnung wie G-2; Aufklärungskamera Rb 50/30, Rb 75/30, Rb 20/30 oder Rb 12.5/9 im Rumpf hinter der Kanzel
• Bf 109 G-3: Jäger; Motor und Bewaffnung wie G-1; Ersatz Fug 7a gegen FuG 16, vergrößerte Räder; Druckkabine
• Bf 109 G-4: Jäger; Motor und Bewaffnung wie G-3; keine Druckkabine
  • Bf 109 G-4 trop: Jäger; Motor und Bewaffnung wie G-4; tropentaugliche Version (Sandfilter, Notausrüstung)
  • Bf 109 G-4/R2: Aufklärer; Motor und Bewaffnung wie G-1; Aufklärungskamera Rb 50/30 im Rumpf hinter der Kanzel
• Bf 109 G-5: Jäger; Motor wie G-4, Bewaffnung 2 × 13-mm-MG 131, 1 × 20-mm-MG 151/20 als Motorkanone; Druckkabine
  • Bf 109 G-5/U2: Jäger; Motor und Bewaffnung wie G-5; GM-1-Zusatzeinspritzung
  • Bf 109 G-5/AS: Jäger; Motor DB 605 AS, Bewaffnung wie G-5; vergrößertes Seitenleitwerk aus Holz
• Bf 109 G-6: Jäger; Motor wie G-5, Bewaffnung 2 × 13-mm-MG 131, 1 × 20-mm-MG 151/20 als Motorkanone; keine Druckkabine
  • Bf 109 G-6 trop: Jäger; Motor und Bewaffnung wie G-6; tropentaugliche Version (Sandfilter, Notausrüstung)
  • Bf 109 G-6/R2: Aufklärer; Motor wie G-6, Bewaffnung 1 × 20-mm-MG 151/20; mit Reihenbildgerät RB 50/30
  • Bf 109 G-6/R3: Aufklärer; Motor wie G-6, Bewaffnung 1 × 20-mm-MG 151/20; mit Reihenbildgerät RB 75/30
  • Bf 109 G-6/U2: Jäger; Motor und Bewaffnung wie G-6; GM-1-Zusatzeinspritzung
  • Bf 109 G-6/U3: Jäger; Motor und Bewaffnung wie G-6; MW-50-Zusatzeinspritzung
  • Bf 109 G-6/U4: wie G-6 aber 30-mm-Motorkanone MK 108 statt der 20-mm-MG 151/20
  • Bf 109 G-6/N: Nachtjäger; Motor und Bewaffnung wie G-6, oft mit den Rüstsätzen R III (Zusatztank) und R VI (zwei MG 151/20 unter den Flächen) ausgestattet, FuG 350 Naxos-Z
  • Bf 109 G-6/AS: Jäger; Motor DB 605 AS, Bewaffnung wie G-6; vergrößertes Seitenleitwerk aus Holz
  • Bf 109 G-6/Y: Führungsmaschine für Staffel- und Gruppenführer; FuG-16-ZY-Funkgerät, Peilantenne unter dem Rumpf
• Bf 109 G-8: Aufklärer; Motor wie G-6, Bewaffnung 1 × 20-mm-MG 151/20; zwei RB-12,5/7×9- oder 32/7×9-Kameras im Rumpf hinter der Kanzel; keine Druckkabine
• Bf 109 G-10: Jäger; Motor DB 605 DM oder DB, Bewaffnung wie G-6; teilweise verstärktes Fahrwerk; vergrößertes Seitenleitwerk aus Holz und Motoren mit MW-50-Zusatzeinspritzung standardmäßig; keine Druckkabine;
  • Bf 109 G-10/U4: wie G-10, aber 30-mm-Motorkanone MK 108 statt der 20-mm-MG 151/20
• Bf 109 G-12: doppelsitziger Trainer; Umbauten aus überschüssigen G-Zellen verschiedener Varianten
• Bf 109 G-14: Jäger; Motor DB 605 AM; Bewaffnung wie G-6; vergrößertes Seitenleitwerk aus Holz und Motoren mit MW-50-Zusatzeinspritzung standardmäßig, keine Druckkabine
  • Bf 109 G-14/AS: Jäger; Motor DB 605 ASM; Bewaffnung wie G-6
  • Bf 109 G-14/U4: wie G-14 aber 30-mm-Motorkanone MK 108 statt der 20-mm-MG 151/20

 

[Daryl Hunt]

You can have a great Multirole fighter but when you have only one task left, going after bombers and their escort, it doesn´t mean anything anymore.

The 109 was designed as a point defense fighter. And it was very good at it. Until later fighters came on line, it was the best at it. It was a one trick pony and all it's design was to do just that job. If it was only to go up against other fighters, they would have put in more than 2 12.7mm machine guns. Instead, they put in those nasty cannons for the bombers. Since it was a point defense fighter, range really wasn't that important. It did bite them in the butt for the battle of britain though when they tried to use it as a bomber escort which took it outside of it's wheelhouse.

No, I don´t think the 109 had 12,77 mm. Not the early ones at least.
"Point defense fighter" didn´t exist. It was unique.

The G models had two MG 131 firing through the prop disc.

And the Gustav was the most produced model of all the 109s.

109 G variants:

• Bf 109 G-0: Jäger, Vorserie; Motor DB 601 E, Bewaffnung 2 × 7,92-mm-MG 17, 1 × 20-mm-MG 151/20 als Motorkanone; ausgestattet mit Druckkabine
• Bf 109 G-1: Jäger; Motor DB 605 A, Bewaffnung wie G-0; Druckkabine
  • Bf 109 G-1/R2: leichter Höhenjäger ohne Panzerung und ohne Zusatzkraftstoffanlage, aber mit GM-1-Anlage, 700 km/h in 7000 m, Serie von 80 Maschinen
• Bf 109 G-2: Jäger; Motor und Bewaffnung wie G-1; keine Druckkabine
  • Bf 109 G-2 trop: Jäger; Motor und Bewaffnung wie G-2; tropentaugliche Version (Sandfilter, Notausrüstung)
  • Bf 109 G-2/R1: Jaborei, Jagdbomber mit vergrößerter Reichweite: 1 × 500-kg-Bombe unter dem Rumpf, 2 × 300-l-Zusatztanks unter den Flächen, nur Versuch.
  • Bf 109 G-2/R2: Aufklärer; Motor und Bewaffnung wie G-2; Aufklärungskamera Rb 50/30, Rb 75/30, Rb 20/30 oder Rb 12.5/9 im Rumpf hinter der Kanzel
• Bf 109 G-3: Jäger; Motor und Bewaffnung wie G-1; Ersatz Fug 7a gegen FuG 16, vergrößerte Räder; Druckkabine
• Bf 109 G-4: Jäger; Motor und Bewaffnung wie G-3; keine Druckkabine
  • Bf 109 G-4 trop: Jäger; Motor und Bewaffnung wie G-4; tropentaugliche Version (Sandfilter, Notausrüstung)
  • Bf 109 G-4/R2: Aufklärer; Motor und Bewaffnung wie G-1; Aufklärungskamera Rb 50/30 im Rumpf hinter der Kanzel
• Bf 109 G-5: Jäger; Motor wie G-4, Bewaffnung 2 × 13-mm-MG 131, 1 × 20-mm-MG 151/20 als Motorkanone; Druckkabine
  • Bf 109 G-5/U2: Jäger; Motor und Bewaffnung wie G-5; GM-1-Zusatzeinspritzung
  • Bf 109 G-5/AS: Jäger; Motor DB 605 AS, Bewaffnung wie G-5; vergrößertes Seitenleitwerk aus Holz
• Bf 109 G-6: Jäger; Motor wie G-5, Bewaffnung 2 × 13-mm-MG 131, 1 × 20-mm-MG 151/20 als Motorkanone; keine Druckkabine
  • Bf 109 G-6 trop: Jäger; Motor und Bewaffnung wie G-6; tropentaugliche Version (Sandfilter, Notausrüstung)
  • Bf 109 G-6/R2: Aufklärer; Motor wie G-6, Bewaffnung 1 × 20-mm-MG 151/20; mit Reihenbildgerät RB 50/30
  • Bf 109 G-6/R3: Aufklärer; Motor wie G-6, Bewaffnung 1 × 20-mm-MG 151/20; mit Reihenbildgerät RB 75/30
  • Bf 109 G-6/U2: Jäger; Motor und Bewaffnung wie G-6; GM-1-Zusatzeinspritzung
  • Bf 109 G-6/U3: Jäger; Motor und Bewaffnung wie G-6; MW-50-Zusatzeinspritzung
  • Bf 109 G-6/U4: wie G-6 aber 30-mm-Motorkanone MK 108 statt der 20-mm-MG 151/20
  • Bf 109 G-6/N: Nachtjäger; Motor und Bewaffnung wie G-6, oft mit den Rüstsätzen R III (Zusatztank) und R VI (zwei MG 151/20 unter den Flächen) ausgestattet, FuG 350 Naxos-Z
  • Bf 109 G-6/AS: Jäger; Motor DB 605 AS, Bewaffnung wie G-6; vergrößertes Seitenleitwerk aus Holz
  • Bf 109 G-6/Y: Führungsmaschine für Staffel- und Gruppenführer; FuG-16-ZY-Funkgerät, Peilantenne unter dem Rumpf
• Bf 109 G-8: Aufklärer; Motor wie G-6, Bewaffnung 1 × 20-mm-MG 151/20; zwei RB-12,5/7×9- oder 32/7×9-Kameras im Rumpf hinter der Kanzel; keine Druckkabine
• Bf 109 G-10: Jäger; Motor DB 605 DM oder DB, Bewaffnung wie G-6; teilweise verstärktes Fahrwerk; vergrößertes Seitenleitwerk aus Holz und Motoren mit MW-50-Zusatzeinspritzung standardmäßig; keine Druckkabine;
  • Bf 109 G-10/U4: wie G-10, aber 30-mm-Motorkanone MK 108 statt der 20-mm-MG 151/20
• Bf 109 G-12: doppelsitziger Trainer; Umbauten aus überschüssigen G-Zellen verschiedener Varianten
• Bf 109 G-14: Jäger; Motor DB 605 AM; Bewaffnung wie G-6; vergrößertes Seitenleitwerk aus Holz und Motoren mit MW-50-Zusatzeinspritzung standardmäßig, keine Druckkabine
  • Bf 109 G-14/AS: Jäger; Motor DB 605 ASM; Bewaffnung wie G-6
  • Bf 109 G-14/U4: wie G-14 aber 30-mm-Motorkanone MK 108 statt der 20-mm-MG 151/20

All Point Defense Fighters with very short range. Get up quick, shoot and get down quick. Not a single one could be remotely considered a Multi Role Fighter. And that was it's failing in the end. In fact, the Luftwaffe failed because it didn't spend enough on multi role fighters and it spent too much on the point defense fighters early on. And they tried to use short ranged light and medium bombers as heavy long ranged bombers as well. As long as they stayed in the Continental Europe, all things were good but trying to go into Africa, Russia and England was a dismal failure.The fact that a Multi Role Fighter could go out on a mission and do two different missions on the same flight was a huge force multiplier. The best fighter during WWII at that was the p-38 which could take off with a bomb load, hit land targets, keep it's external tanks, fly on to an air field, drop it's tanks, tangle with the overflights, strafe the fields and get home. The P-47 could do this as well but a little closer to home. Then next week, the multi roled fighter could team up with a pathfinder and do a bomb run where the heavies were having trouble getting through because they were too slow. Then the next week, they load them up with the heavy bombs and to for rail yards and shipping yards. Then the next week, they work as Bomber Escorts, and it goes on and on. Meanwhile, your 109 goes up fast, stays close to home, shoots, goes down and lands and has to refuel. And it's not any better of a fighter than the Multi Role fighter in a pure fighter role. The 109 had no real engineering room for improvement unlike the FW-190 which by the time the Dora came into being, was just as good as a pure fighter as the P-51, could ground attack as well as the P-38 and absorb damage was well as the P-47. The whole line of FW-190s including the A model were all Multi Role Fighters and used for just about everything. The 109 was a one trick pony.

 

[Bleipriester]

Read again, each type is declared. There a fighters, bombers, recons and trainers.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Read again, each type is declared. There a fighters, bombers, recons and trainers.

I can add an ice cream maker to it and call it an ice cream truck but it won't make it an ice cream truck.

 

[Bleipriester]

Read again, each type is declared. There a fighters, bombers, recons and trainers.

I can add an ice cream maker to it and call it an ice cream truck but it won't make it an ice cream truck.

Yes, it will.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Read again, each type is declared. There a fighters, bombers, recons and trainers.

I can add an ice cream maker to it and call it an ice cream truck but it won't make it an ice cream truck.

Yes, it will.

What do you mean you only have one flavor and you only had two ice cream sandwiches and you are sold out already?

 

[Bleipriester]

Read again, each type is declared. There a fighters, bombers, recons and trainers.

I can add an ice cream maker to it and call it an ice cream truck but it won't make it an ice cream truck.

Yes, it will.

What do you mean you only have one flavor and you only had two ice cream sandwiches and you are sold out already?

Then I learned I just need one flavor and I am sold out!