The Finding Out What's In The Bill Thread

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  1. boedicca

    boedicca Uppity Water Nymph Supporting Member

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    This is the thread in which we post the goodies that we find out are in the bill now that it has been passed - just as Her Lady Highness Pelosi promised.

    Here's a good one: the Senior Staff who drafted the bill slipped in a provision which expempts themselves from ObamaCare:

    One such surprise is found on page 158 of the legislation, which appears to create a carveout for senior staff members in the leadership offices and on congressional committees, essentially exempting those senior Democrat staffers who wrote the bill from being forced to purchase health care plans in the same way as other Americans.

    A major story during the course of the health care debate was whether members of Congress would commit to placing themselves in the same health care exchanges as average citizens, or whether they would hang on to their government plans — that’s why leadership chose to add this portion to the bill, serving as a guarantee that members would participate in the same health plans as the people. Here’s the relevant text:


    (i) REQUIREMENT- Notwithstanding any other provision of law, after the effective date of this subtitle, the only health plans that the Federal Government may make available to Members of Congress and congressional staff with respect to their service as a Member of Congress or congressional staff shall be health plans that are–

    (I) created under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act); or

    (II) offered through an Exchange established under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act).

    But as with a lot of legislative matters, the devil is in the details — or in this case, the definitions. As anyone who’s worked on Capitol Hill knows, the personal office staff for a member is governed by different rules than those who work on committees and in the leadership offices. It appears from the way this language is written that those staffers NOT in personal offices, such as those working and paid under the committee structure (such as those working for Chairman Henry Waxman) or those working on leadership staff (such as those working for Speaker Nancy Pelosi) would be exempt from these requirements (emphasis added).

    (ii) DEFINITIONS- In this section:

    (I) MEMBER OF CONGRESS- The term `Member of Congress’ means any member of the House of Representatives or the Senate.

    (II) CONGRESSIONAL STAFF- The term `congressional staff’ means all full-time and part-time employees employed by the official office of a Member of Congress, whether in Washington, DC or outside of Washington, DC.

    According to the Congressional Research Service, this definition of staff will only apply to those staffers employed within a member’s “personal office” — meaning that it will absolutely not apply to committee staff members, and may not apply to leadership staff.

    Please add the surprised you discover are buried in the bill!
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  2. Vel

    Vel Gold Member

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    How about this for all those who think they might start their own little construction business.
    PAGE 2107

    1 (2) Section 4980H(d)(2) of the Internal Revenue Code

    2 of 1986, as added by section 1513(a) of this Act, is amended

    3 by adding at the end the following:


    5 DUSTRY EMPLOYERS.—In the case of any em

    6 ployer the substantial annual gross receipts of

    7 which are attributable to the construction indus

    8 try—

    9 ‘‘(i) subparagraph (A) shall be applied

    10 by substituting ‘who employed an average of

    11 at least 5 full-time employees on business

    12 days during the preceding calendar year

    13 and whose annual payroll expenses exceed

    14 $250,000 for such preceding calendar year’

    15 for ‘who employed an average of at least 50

    16 full-time employees on business days during

    17 the preceding calendar year’, and

    18 ‘‘(ii) subparagraph (B) shall be ap

    19 plied by substituting ‘5’ for ‘50’.’’.

    20 (3) The amendment made by paragraph (2) shall

    21 apply to months beginning after December 31, 2013.

    That’s right, the construction industry, which currently has an unemployment rate of 27.1 percent (you read that correctly), is being targeted in this bill with a much lower exemption threshold than other small businesses. While most other small businesses are not subject to fines and regulations unless they have 50 or more employees, construction companies — wait, “any employer the substantial annual gross receipts of which are attributable to the construction industry” so this takes in lots of other companies who are ancillary to the industry as well — are subject to these same provisions if they have as few as 5 employees.
    This little-noticed provision was slipped into the Senate bill just prior to its passage on Christmas Eve by Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.) And while members of Congress had pledged to the construction industry that they would remove this language or address it in the reconciliation package of legislative fixes, they didn’t.

    Health Care Bill Targets Construction Industry Virginia Virtucon
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  3. boedicca

    boedicca Uppity Water Nymph Supporting Member

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    There are a lot of electricians and PLUMBERS who fit into this category.
  4. Immanuel

    Immanuel Gold Member

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    Here is the list of goodies:

  5. Valerie

    Valerie Gold Member

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    FACTBOX-US healthcare bill would provide immediate benefits | Reuters
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    Valerie Gold Member

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    Factbox: Winners, losers in House healthcare bill | Reuters
  7. LuckyDan

    LuckyDan Sublime

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    Here's the hit list:

    Democrats Voting 'Aye'

    Gary Ackerman [D, NY-5]
    Robert Andrews [D, NJ-1]
    Joe Baca [D, CA-43]
    Brian Baird [D, WA-3]
    Tammy Baldwin [D, WI-2]
    Melissa Bean [D, IL-8]
    Xavier Becerra [D, CA-31]
    Shelley Berkley [D, NV-1]
    Howard Berman [D, CA-28]
    Sanford Bishop [D, GA-2]
    Timothy Bishop [D, NY-1]
    Earl Blumenauer [D, OR-3]
    John Boccieri [D, OH-16]
    Leonard Boswell [D, IA-3]
    Allen Boyd [D, FL-2]
    Robert Brady [D, PA-1]
    Bruce Braley [D, IA-1]
    Corrine Brown [D, FL-3]
    George Butterfield [D, NC-1]
    Lois Capps [D, CA-23]
    Michael Capuano [D, MA-8]
    Dennis Cardoza [D, CA-18]
    Russ Carnahan [D, MO-3]
    Christopher Carney [D, PA-10]
    André Carson [D, IN-7]
    Kathy Castor [D, FL-11]
    Judy Chu [D, CA-32]
    Yvette Clarke [D, NY-11]
    William Clay [D, MO-1]
    Emanuel Cleaver [D, MO-5]
    James Clyburn [D, SC-6]
    Steve Cohen [D, TN-9]
    Gerald Connolly [D, VA-11]
    John Conyers [D, MI-14]
    Jim Cooper [D, TN-5]
    Jim Costa [D, CA-20]
    Jerry Costello [D, IL-12]
    Joe Courtney [D, CT-2]
    Joseph Crowley [D, NY-7]
    Henry Cuellar [D, TX-28]
    Elijah Cummings [D, MD-7]
    Kathleen Dahlkemper [D, PA-3]
    Danny Davis [D, IL-7]
    Susan Davis [D, CA-53]
    Peter DeFazio [D, OR-4]
    Diana DeGette [D, CO-1]
    William Delahunt [D, MA-10]
    Rosa DeLauro [D, CT-3]
    Norman Dicks [D, WA-6]
    John Dingell [D, MI-15]
    Lloyd Doggett [D, TX-25]
    Joe Donnelly [D, IN-2]
    Michael Doyle [D, PA-14]
    Steve Driehaus [D, OH-1]
    Donna Edwards [D, MD-4]
    Keith Ellison [D, MN-5]
    Brad Ellsworth [D, IN-8]
    Eliot Engel [D, NY-17]
    Anna Eshoo [D, CA-14]
    Bob Etheridge [D, NC-2]
    Sam Farr [D, CA-17]
    Chaka Fattah [D, PA-2]
    Bob Filner [D, CA-51]
    Bill Foster [D, IL-14]
    Barney Frank [D, MA-4]
    Marcia Fudge [D, OH-11]
    John Garamendi [D, CA-10]
    Gabrielle Giffords [D, AZ-8]
    Charles Gonzalez [D, TX-20]
    Barton Gordon [D, TN-6]
    Alan Grayson [D, FL-8]
    Raymond Green [D, TX-29]
    Al Green [D, TX-9]
    Raul Grijalva [D, AZ-7]
    Luis Gutiérrez [D, IL-4]
    John Hall [D, NY-19]
    Deborah Halvorson [D, IL-11]
    Phil Hare [D, IL-17]
    Jane Harman [D, CA-36]
    Alcee Hastings [D, FL-23]
    Martin Heinrich [D, NM-1]
    Brian Higgins [D, NY-27]
    Baron Hill [D, IN-9]
    James Himes [D, CT-4]
    Maurice Hinchey [D, NY-22]
    Rubén Hinojosa [D, TX-15]
    Mazie Hirono [D, HI-2]
    Paul Hodes [D, NH-2]
    Rush Holt [D, NJ-12]
    Michael Honda [D, CA-15]
    Steny Hoyer [D, MD-5]
    Jay Inslee [D, WA-1]
    Steve Israel [D, NY-2]
    Jesse Jackson [D, IL-2]
    Sheila Jackson-Lee [D, TX-18]
    Henry Johnson [D, GA-4]
    Eddie Johnson [D, TX-30]
    Steve Kagen [D, WI-8]
    Paul Kanjorski [D, PA-11]
    Marcy Kaptur [D, OH-9]
    Patrick Kennedy [D, RI-1]
    Dale Kildee [D, MI-5]
    Carolyn Kilpatrick [D, MI-13]
    Mary Jo Kilroy [D, OH-15]
    Ronald Kind [D, WI-3]
    Ann Kirkpatrick [D, AZ-1]
    Ron Klein [D, FL-22]
    Suzanne Kosmas [D, FL-24]
    Dennis Kucinich [D, OH-10]
    James Langevin [D, RI-2]
    Rick Larsen [D, WA-2]
    John Larson [D, CT-1]
    Barbara Lee [D, CA-9]
    Sander Levin [D, MI-12]
    John Lewis [D, GA-5]
    David Loebsack [D, IA-2]
    Zoe Lofgren [D, CA-16]
    Nita Lowey [D, NY-18]
    Ben Luján [D, NM-3]
    Daniel Maffei [D, NY-25]
    Carolyn Maloney [D, NY-14]
    Betsy Markey [D, CO-4]
    Edward Markey [D, MA-7]
    Doris Matsui [D, CA-5]
    Carolyn McCarthy [D, NY-4]
    Betty McCollum [D, MN-4]
    James McDermott [D, WA-7]
    James McGovern [D, MA-3]
    Jerry McNerney [D, CA-11]
    Kendrick Meek [D, FL-17]
    Gregory Meeks [D, NY-6]
    Michael Michaud [D, ME-2]
    Bradley Miller [D, NC-13]
    George Miller [D, CA-7]
    Harry Mitchell [D, AZ-5]
    Alan Mollohan [D, WV-1]
    Gwen Moore [D, WI-4]
    Dennis Moore [D, KS-3]
    James Moran [D, VA-8]
    Patrick Murphy [D, PA-8]
    Scott Murphy [D, NY-20]
    Christopher Murphy [D, CT-5]
    Jerrold Nadler [D, NY-8]
    Grace Napolitano [D, CA-38]
    Richard Neal [D, MA-2]
    James Oberstar [D, MN-8]
    David Obey [D, WI-7]
    John Olver [D, MA-1]
    Solomon Ortiz [D, TX-27]
    William Owens [D, NY-23]
    Frank Pallone [D, NJ-6]
    William Pascrell [D, NJ-8]
    Edward Pastor [D, AZ-4]
    Donald Payne [D, NJ-10]
    Nancy Pelosi [D, CA-8]
    Ed Perlmutter [D, CO-7]
    Thomas Perriello [D, VA-5]
    Gary Peters [D, MI-9]
    Chellie Pingree [D, ME-1]
    Jared Polis [D, CO-2]
    Earl Pomeroy [D, ND-0]
    David Price [D, NC-4]
    Mike Quigley [D, IL-5]
    Nick Rahall [D, WV-3]
    Charles Rangel [D, NY-15]
    Silvestre Reyes [D, TX-16]
    Laura Richardson [D, CA-37]
    Ciro Rodriguez [D, TX-23]
    Steven Rothman [D, NJ-9]
    Lucille Roybal-Allard [D, CA-34]
    Dutch Ruppersberger [D, MD-2]
    Bobby Rush [D, IL-1]
    Timothy Ryan [D, OH-17]
    John Salazar [D, CO-3]
    Loretta Sanchez [D, CA-47]
    Linda Sánchez [D, CA-39]
    John Sarbanes [D, MD-3]
    Janice Schakowsky [D, IL-9]
    Mark Schauer [D, MI-7]
    Adam Schiff [D, CA-29]
    Kurt Schrader [D, OR-5]
    Allyson Schwartz [D, PA-13]
    Robert Scott [D, VA-3]
    David Scott [D, GA-13]
    José Serrano [D, NY-16]
    Joe Sestak [D, PA-7]
    Carol Shea-Porter [D, NH-1]
    Brad Sherman [D, CA-27]
    Albio Sires [D, NJ-13]
    Louise Slaughter [D, NY-28]
    Adam Smith [D, WA-9]
    Victor Snyder [D, AR-2]
    Jackie Speier [D, CA-12]
    John Spratt [D, SC-5]
    Fortney Stark [D, CA-13]
    Bart Stupak [D, MI-1]
    Betty Sutton [D, OH-13]
    Michael Thompson [D, CA-1]
    Bennie Thompson [D, MS-2]
    John Tierney [D, MA-6]
    Dina Titus [D, NV-3]
    Paul Tonko [D, NY-21]
    Edolphus Towns [D, NY-10]
    Niki Tsongas [D, MA-5]
    Christopher Van Hollen [D, MD-8]
    Nydia Velázquez [D, NY-12]
    Peter Visclosky [D, IN-1]
    Timothy Walz [D, MN-1]
    Debbie Wasserman Schultz [D, FL-20]
    Maxine Waters [D, CA-35]
    Diane Watson [D, CA-33]
    Melvin Watt [D, NC-12]
    Henry Waxman [D, CA-30]
    Anthony Weiner [D, NY-9]
    Peter Welch [D, VT-0]
    Charles Wilson [D, OH-6]
    Lynn Woolsey [D, CA-6]
    David Wu [D, OR-1]
    John Yarmuth [D, KY-3]
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  8. Valerie

    Valerie Gold Member

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    Highlights of the health care reform bill |

    Information for these facts come from the Kaiser Family Foundation and several federal sources including the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, Department of Health and Human Resources and Congressional Budget Office.


    It's difficult to take the time and focus on sifting through all the garbage info and slanted opinion pieces to finally get down to the FACTS of what is actually in this bill. The dreaded federal plan "public option" is not even a part of this final version, correct???
  9. Ravi

    Ravi BANNED

    Feb 27, 2008
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    I especially like this.

    I also like the fact that children can stay on their parents policies until age 26.

    Honestly, other that penalizing people for not purchasing insurance I can't find much to dislike...except the lack of a public option.
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  10. Immanuel

    Immanuel Gold Member

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    No, it is not a part of the Senate Plan.

    The Senate passed a version of health care reform without the public option. My understanding is that Senate Dems wanted to get the bill passed and could not do so with the public option in place so they took it out expecting it to be reconciled into the final bill passed by both houses. Good Ole Nancy figured out that she didn't have the votes to pass Health Care Reform in the House so she came out with this plan to get the House to vote on and accept the Senate version in mass.

    Thus we have a piece meal law that was thrown together that no one knows what the hell it says or does.

    The indication I believe is that Good Ole Nancy would get the Public Option next time around.

    Aren't they already talking about how they are going to fix this law?

    God help us!

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