The Fifth Proof of God

[ding]

Ummmm.... no. It is a logical proof.

It isn’t “proof” of anything. It’s a series of observations.

Observations that conclude everything has purpose which it does.

The conclusion that it is directed instead of random is based upon the observation that everything has purpose.

Another way to say this is that it is the nature of any creation to be the realization of some intention. We can use our own experiences to know that what we create is what we intended to create and that we created for a purpose.

Those obsevations don't demonstrate purpose.

When you make something do you do it for a reason?

You're putting the cart before the horse...

No. I am using your experiences as a proxy for my point.

It is the nature of things that are created by intelligence to have a purpose. You are intelligent and when you create things you do so for a purpose.

 

[Vastator]

It isn’t “proof” of anything. It’s a series of observations.

Observations that conclude everything has purpose which it does.

The conclusion that it is directed instead of random is based upon the observation that everything has purpose.

Another way to say this is that it is the nature of any creation to be the realization of some intention. We can use our own experiences to know that what we create is what we intended to create and that we created for a purpose.

Those obsevations don't demonstrate purpose.

When you make something do you do it for a reason?

You're putting the cart before the horse...

No. I am using your experiences as a proxy for my point.

It is the nature of things that are created by intelligence to have a purpose. You are intelligent and when you create things you do so for a purpose.

But I'm not a first cause, so it doesn't work...

 

[ding]

The Fifth Way: Argument from Design

1. We see that natural bodies work toward some goal, and do not do so by chance.
   
   
2. Most natural things lack knowledge.
   
   
3. But as an arrow reaches its target because it is directed by an archer, what lacks intelligence achieves goals by being directed by something intelligence.
   
   
4. Therefore some intelligent being exists by whom all natural things are directed to their end; and this being we call God.

there is still no PROOF of G-d. G-d is about faith.

why do you keep doing this?

Because among other things, He is a logical God. Do you really believe He would not leave us ways to discover His invisible attributes?

 

[ding]

Observations that conclude everything has purpose which it does.

The conclusion that it is directed instead of random is based upon the observation that everything has purpose.

Another way to say this is that it is the nature of any creation to be the realization of some intention. We can use our own experiences to know that what we create is what we intended to create and that we created for a purpose.

Those obsevations don't demonstrate purpose.

When you make something do you do it for a reason?

You're putting the cart before the horse...

No. I am using your experiences as a proxy for my point.

It is the nature of things that are created by intelligence to have a purpose. You are intelligent and when you create things you do so for a purpose.

But I'm not a first cause, so it doesn't work...

It works 100%. Now you should be able to understand the proof. And if you still can't. I can't help you. We will have reached an impasse.

 

[Vastator]

Those obsevations don't demonstrate purpose.

When you make something do you do it for a reason?

You're putting the cart before the horse...

No. I am using your experiences as a proxy for my point.

It is the nature of things that are created by intelligence to have a purpose. You are intelligent and when you create things you do so for a purpose.

But I'm not a first cause, so it doesn't work...

It works 100%. Now you should be able to understand the proof. And if you still can't. I can't help you. We will have reached an impasse.

It doesn't work 100%. Nor am I at an impasse. I'm fully capable of continuing forward...

 

[ding]

When you make something do you do it for a reason?

You're putting the cart before the horse...

No. I am using your experiences as a proxy for my point.

It is the nature of things that are created by intelligence to have a purpose. You are intelligent and when you create things you do so for a purpose.

But I'm not a first cause, so it doesn't work...

It works 100%. Now you should be able to understand the proof. And if you still can't. I can't help you. We will have reached an impasse.

It doesn't work 100%. Nor am I at an impasse. I'm fully capable of continuing forward...

It does because you create things for reasons. Don't be a dumbass. See? I told you we were at an impasse.

 

[Vastator]

You're putting the cart before the horse...

No. I am using your experiences as a proxy for my point.

It is the nature of things that are created by intelligence to have a purpose. You are intelligent and when you create things you do so for a purpose.

But I'm not a first cause, so it doesn't work...

It works 100%. Now you should be able to understand the proof. And if you still can't. I can't help you. We will have reached an impasse.

It doesn't work 100%. Nor am I at an impasse. I'm fully capable of continuing forward...

It does because you create things for reasons. Don't be a dumbass. See? I told you we were at an impasse.

That's not an impasse, that's you forfeiting reasoned discussion, in favor of name calling, because you have no intelligent answer to further your position.

 

[ding]

Ummmm.... no. It is a logical proof.

Which of course is why they're baffled and terrified of it. They can't stay away from this forum out of deep neurotic doubts and their pagan superstitions.

They are like moths to flames.

 

[ding]

No. I am using your experiences as a proxy for my point.

It is the nature of things that are created by intelligence to have a purpose. You are intelligent and when you create things you do so for a purpose.

But I'm not a first cause, so it doesn't work...

It works 100%. Now you should be able to understand the proof. And if you still can't. I can't help you. We will have reached an impasse.

It doesn't work 100%. Nor am I at an impasse. I'm fully capable of continuing forward...

It does because you create things for reasons. Don't be a dumbass. See? I told you we were at an impasse.

That's not an impasse, that's you forfeiting reasoned discussion, in favor of name calling, because you have no intelligent answer to further your position.

No. It's I am done. There is nothing left to explain. I've already said it all. I'm happy with how it stands. You can keep arguing if you want.

 

[ding]

The Fifth Way: Argument from Design

1. We see that natural bodies work toward some goal, and do not do so by chance.
   
   
2. Most natural things lack knowledge.
   
   
3. But as an arrow reaches its target because it is directed by an archer, what lacks intelligence achieves goals by being directed by something intelligence.
   
   
4. Therefore some intelligent being exists by whom all natural things are directed to their end; and this being we call God.

None of htis is proof of the malicious bronze age sky fairy called Yahweh.

That's good because it wasn't intended to do that.

Stop jumping to conclusions that aren't there, Joe.

That's the only kind of conclusions he ever has.

They are intellectually dead because they follow beliefs which are intellectually dead because they aren't even beliefs, they are arguments against others having beliefs.

 

[Picaro]

The Fifth Way: Argument from Design

1. We see that natural bodies work toward some goal, and do not do so by chance.
   
   
2. Most natural things lack knowledge.
   
   
3. But as an arrow reaches its target because it is directed by an archer, what lacks intelligence achieves goals by being directed by something intelligence.
   
   
4. Therefore some intelligent being exists by whom all natural things are directed to their end; and this being we call God.

None of htis is proof of the malicious bronze age sky fairy called Yahweh.

That's good because it wasn't intended to do that.

Stop jumping to conclusions that aren't there, Joe.

That's the only kind of conclusions he ever has.

They are intellectually dead because they follow beliefs which are intellectually dead because they aren't even beliefs, they are arguments against others having beliefs.

Indeed. Excellent observation.

 

[ding]

The Fifth Way: Argument from Design

1. We see that natural bodies work toward some goal, and do not do so by chance.
   
   
2. Most natural things lack knowledge.
   
   
3. But as an arrow reaches its target because it is directed by an archer, what lacks intelligence achieves goals by being directed by something intelligence.
   
   
4. Therefore some intelligent being exists by whom all natural things are directed to their end; and this being we call God.

None of htis is proof of the malicious bronze age sky fairy called Yahweh.

That's good because it wasn't intended to do that.

Stop jumping to conclusions that aren't there, Joe.

That's the only kind of conclusions he ever has.

They are intellectually dead because they follow beliefs which are intellectually dead because they aren't even beliefs, they are arguments against others having beliefs.

Indeed. Excellent observation.

They have never made an honest effort to understand. Which is why I do what I do.

 

[Picaro]

None of htis is proof of the malicious bronze age sky fairy called Yahweh.

That's good because it wasn't intended to do that.

Stop jumping to conclusions that aren't there, Joe.

That's the only kind of conclusions he ever has.

They are intellectually dead because they follow beliefs which are intellectually dead because they aren't even beliefs, they are arguments against others having beliefs.

Indeed. Excellent observation.

They have never made an honest effort to understand. Which is why I do what I do.

It's obvious they have never taken an empirical lab science course, that is certain.

 

[ding]

That's good because it wasn't intended to do that.

Stop jumping to conclusions that aren't there, Joe.

That's the only kind of conclusions he ever has.

They are intellectually dead because they follow beliefs which are intellectually dead because they aren't even beliefs, they are arguments against others having beliefs.

Indeed. Excellent observation.

They have never made an honest effort to understand. Which is why I do what I do.

It's obvious they have never taken an empirical lab science course, that is certain.

Science is the study of nature to understand nature and make predictions about nature. If men are unable to understand that the universe is a product of intelligence, then they are without excuse.

 

[Taz]

You're putting the cart before the horse...

No. I am using your experiences as a proxy for my point.

It is the nature of things that are created by intelligence to have a purpose. You are intelligent and when you create things you do so for a purpose.

But I'm not a first cause, so it doesn't work...

It works 100%. Now you should be able to understand the proof. And if you still can't. I can't help you. We will have reached an impasse.

It doesn't work 100%. Nor am I at an impasse. I'm fully capable of continuing forward...

It does because you create things for reasons. Don't be a dumbass. See? I told you we were at an impasse.

Sometimes I create things for no reason at all.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Did ding say "logic"? O my. What a shitshow this is. shillian, joeB, ding, and logic.

Tbh you sorry leftist shills, I'm rooting for ding to own your stupid asses. I may even back him up.

Logic is not his strong suit, however.

 

[ding]

 

[ding]

No. I am using your experiences as a proxy for my point.

It is the nature of things that are created by intelligence to have a purpose. You are intelligent and when you create things you do so for a purpose.

But I'm not a first cause, so it doesn't work...

It works 100%. Now you should be able to understand the proof. And if you still can't. I can't help you. We will have reached an impasse.

It doesn't work 100%. Nor am I at an impasse. I'm fully capable of continuing forward...

It does because you create things for reasons. Don't be a dumbass. See? I told you we were at an impasse.

Sometimes I create things for no reason at all.

Sure, so what?