The fall of Obama

[midcan5]

"Tragically, President Bush thinks nothing of breaking one international covenant after another. Yet, I do not say, God damn him. For all his crimes, tortures, and killings, I say, God help him." Sherwood Ross

http://www.counterpunch.com/ross03192008.html

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGas2B6F75k[/ame]

 

[Alucard]

"Tragically, President Bush thinks nothing of breaking one international covenant after another. Yet, I do not say, God damn him. For all his crimes, tortures, and killings, I say, God help him." Sherwood Ross

http://www.counterpunch.com/ross03192008.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGas2B6F75k

So I take it... You agree with the reverend Wright?

 

[midcan5]

So I take it... You agree with the reverend Wright?

In a way yes, and a person from the other side of the aisle actually answered the why below:

"Rev. Wright is an undeniably fiery speaker who, in the long tradition of American preachers, proudly and often indiscriminately uses hyperbole to communicate his point. He is unabashed about mixing his faith with his politics and he is unafraid of being provocative to the point of being offensive. His view of the world is a dark one but it is balanced by a shining belief that people can win the fight against oppression. I can understand how a man like Obama can discount the controversial rhetoric and focus on the deeper message. I can also understand why others would condemn him for doing so.

Ultimately, I think Rev. Wright reveals what we already know about Obama: he’s a big, ole liberal with a streak of individualism. He sees the world in terms of oppressors and their victims, like most liberals, but has that Christian layer which sees the individual as ultimately in control. He’s also been steeped in the rhetoric of black liberation and the corresponding animosity towards whites – somehow he’s moved passed that and embraced a more unifying vision (or, as some will believe, he’s duplicitous and has a hidden black power agenda).

Ultimately, Obama’s conversion doesn’t seem to have changed his politics so much as it gave pre-existing politics a spiritual element. If you disagree with liberal ideology you’re likely to find Obama’s theology to be similarly unlikable. They come from different places but arrive at the same goals of social justice and communal prosperity. Rev. Wright delivers that message in a flamboyant style that has resulted in plenty of condemnable statements. But, if we’re going to judge Obama for his religion, it is better to take his faith on its whole rather than basing our perceptions on his pastor’s occasionally offensive diatribes.

Those of us who are not supporting Obama would do better just to focus on the man’s politics and avoid the temptation to get tangled in a religious debate."

http://www.suntimes.com/news/blogen...1GT&bbParentWidgetId=B8k88rWwXopuz5STgLeVwBLu

 

[M14 Shooter]

Face it, America is tired of the same old rhetoric, and that's all McCain has offered so far.

"The failure of the Iraqi state would be a disaster. It would dishonor the 900-plus men and women who have already died. . . . It would be a betrayal of the promise that we made to the Iraqi people, and it would be hugely destabilizing from a national security perspective."
--Barack Hussein Obama, July 2004

So, do you agree with O?

 

[CrimsonWhite]

Ironically, Obama is on the rise again. The republicans brought out the smear tactics too early in the campaign season, in a feeble attempt to push hillary into the nomination. If Hillary doesn't get the nomination, Obama will be president.

Face it, America is tired of the same old rhetoric, and that's all McCain has offered so far.

So I guess Obama's rhetoric has something different. Sorry bub, but screaming the word "change" 96 times during a 30 minute speech is nothing new.

 

[Alucard]

In a way yes, and a person from the other side of the aisle actually answered the why below:

"Rev. Wright is an undeniably fiery speaker who, in the long tradition of American preachers, proudly and often indiscriminately uses hyperbole to communicate his point. He is unabashed about mixing his faith with his politics and he is unafraid of being provocative to the point of being offensive. His view of the world is a dark one but it is balanced by a shining belief that people can win the fight against oppression. I can understand how a man like Obama can discount the controversial rhetoric and focus on the deeper message. I can also understand why others would condemn him for doing so.

Ultimately, I think Rev. Wright reveals what we already know about Obama: he’s a big, ole liberal with a streak of individualism. He sees the world in terms of oppressors and their victims, like most liberals, but has that Christian layer which sees the individual as ultimately in control. He’s also been steeped in the rhetoric of black liberation and the corresponding animosity towards whites – somehow he’s moved passed that and embraced a more unifying vision (or, as some will believe, he’s duplicitous and has a hidden black power agenda).

Ultimately, Obama’s conversion doesn’t seem to have changed his politics so much as it gave pre-existing politics a spiritual element. If you disagree with liberal ideology you’re likely to find Obama’s theology to be similarly unlikable. They come from different places but arrive at the same goals of social justice and communal prosperity. Rev. Wright delivers that message in a flamboyant style that has resulted in plenty of condemnable statements. But, if we’re going to judge Obama for his religion, it is better to take his faith on its whole rather than basing our perceptions on his pastor’s occasionally offensive diatribes.

Those of us who are not supporting Obama would do better just to focus on the man’s politics and avoid the temptation to get tangled in a religious debate."

http://www.suntimes.com/news/blogen...1GT&bbParentWidgetId=B8k88rWwXopuz5STgLeVwBLu

So you want to sweep it under the carpet...

Sorry... Thats Not gonna happen...

Could you imagine the outcry if McCain was even slightly connected to some White Supemacy group...

Obama celebrated this type of race hatred aimed at anyone and everyone not of African dissent...

He's a ******... And now America Knows...

It doesnt matter... Most former Obama supporters I've talked to would support McCain at this point anyway...

Like I told you.... Its over... Obama is going to get crushed in Pa. And if your lucky the supers will back hillary due to obamas self destruction...

if not... your screwed...

 

[M14 Shooter]

So I guess Obama's rhetoric has something different. Sorry bub, but screaming the word "change" 96 times during a 30 minute speech is nothing new.

Especially given that all of his proposed policies and rhetoric follow the same socialist line carried by all the other liberals.

Any "change" he offers is centered on style, not substance.

 

[CrimsonWhite]

Especially given that all of his proposed policies and rhetoric follow the same socialist line carried by all the other liberals.

Any "change" he offers is centered on style, not substance.

yep

http://www.usmessageboard.com/showpost.php?p=659337&postcount=27

 

[Eightball]

"Tragically, President Bush thinks nothing of breaking one international covenant after another. Yet, I do not say, God damn him. For all his crimes, tortures, and killings, I say, God help him." Sherwood Ross

http://www.counterpunch.com/ross03192008.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGas2B6F75k

How Pious, Saintly, and Squeeky Clean of you to pardon GWB........with the such altruistic love and acceptance.

 

[Jon]

I can't believe anyone would think Obama is still electable after this.

Clinton has to play nice, she can't use this against Barack. She can't call him out on it. But McCain can, and will, during the general election, and people will listen.

I hope and pray the DNC and the superdelegates see how this would affect the general election. I hope to God the voters of Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Kentucky, and other states see the adverse affect this has on the Democratic party. If they select this man as their candidate, they may as well admit they agree with "Reverend" Wright.

Not only could selecting Barack as their candidate end their chances of reclaiming the White House, it could mean losing their control on the House and Senate when those seats are up for reelection.

The DNC needs to be smart. I think they are. I think they'll make the right choice.

 

[Tiger]

LMFAO...yes, make fun of Wright for being racist at the same time calling Obama a Koon.

Real consistent there, jackass.

ROFLMAO!!! It was funny, but you made it funnier

 

[jreeves]

Ironically, Obama is on the rise again. The republicans brought out the smear tactics too early in the campaign season, in a feeble attempt to push hillary into the nomination. If Hillary doesn't get the nomination, Obama will be president.

Face it, America is tired of the same old rhetoric, and that's all McCain has offered so far.

Hmm...what polls have you been looking at?
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080320160022.mr0alglh&show_article=1

Democrat Barack Obama suffered in the polls Thursday after a much-acclaimed speech on race that, pundits said, had failed to defuse voters' anger over rage-filled sermons by his former pastor.
Waging an acrimonious battle against Hillary Clinton for the Democrats' White House nomination, Obama confessed to being bruised by the controversy surrounding his longtime Chicago preacher, Reverend Jeremiah Wright.

"In some ways this controversy has actually shaken me up a little bit and gotten me back into remembering that, you know, the odds of me getting elected have always been lower than some of the other conventional candidates," the Illinois senator told CNN in an interview that aired late Wednesday.

"As a practical matter, in terms of how this plays out demographically, I can't tell you. And the speech I gave yesterday (Tuesday) obviously was not crafted to hit a particular demographic," he said.

Obama, the first African-American with a viable shot at the presidency, used his landmark address on race and politics to try to blunt the Wright controversy but also to elevate the debate to a higher plane.

On endless television replays of his sermons, Wright has been shown assailing US and Israeli "terrorism," calling on blacks to sing "God damn America," and alleging that AIDS in Africa was spread by the US government.

Many conservative commentators have fastened on Obama's refusal to disown Wright, whom the senator described as "like family," even as he condemned the pastor's incendiary sermons as "profoundly distorted."

A clutch of polls released since Tuesday pointed to an erosion of Obama's support, with white working-class voters and independents especially alienated. That could hurt him in the Democrats' next primary in Pennsylvania on April 22.

The latest Gallup daily tracking poll found Clinton pulling into a seven-point lead nationally over Obama, 49 percent to 42 percent. It was Clinton's first statistically significant lead over Obama in more than a month.

"The initial indications are that the speech has not halted Clinton's gaining momentum, as she led by a similar margin in Tuesday night's polling as compared to Monday night's polling," Gallup said.

The poll also found Republican nominee-elect John McCain benefiting from the Democratic brawling. The Arizona senator had an edge of 47 percent to 43 percent over Obama, and a lead of 48 percent to 45 over Clinton.

Another survey by Rasmussen gave Obama a favorable rating of 48 percent among voters. Just before the Wright videos emerged last week, Obama's rating was 52 percent.

CBS News poll numbers showed Obama still just ahead of Clinton among Democratic primary voters -- 46 percent to 43. But a month ago, his margin was far wider at 54 percent to 38.

"If the sort of figures we've been seeing in the past 48 hours persist, they will certainly play into the superdelegates' calculation," said Bill Galston, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution and former White House advisor.

With Obama only just ahead of Clinton after 46 Democratic contests, the nomination is likely to hinge on nearly 800 party elders known as superdelegates, who are free to vote as conscience dictates.

In public, the Clinton campaign has kept its distance from Obama's pastor problems. But The New York Times reported Thursday that the row was grist for her aides' lobbying of superdelegates.

"Mrs. Clinton's advisers said they had spent recent days making the case to wavering superdelegates that Mr. Obama's association with Mr. Wright would doom their party in the general election," the newspaper said.

The Clinton campaign did not comment on that assertion, but her chief strategist Mark Penn seized on the shifting landscape suggested in the latest polls.

"The more that the voters learn about Barack Obama, the more his ability to beat John McCain is declining compared to Hillary," he said in a campaign memo.

Obama, on CNN, insisted that before the Democratic convention in August, "we're going to have won more states, we will have a higher portion of the popular vote," and be poised to become the standard-bearer against McCain.