The fall of Obama

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    "Tragically, President Bush thinks nothing of breaking one international covenant after another. Yet, I do not say, God damn him. For all his crimes, tortures, and killings, I say, God help him." Sherwood Ross

    http://www.counterpunch.com/ross03192008.html

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    In a way yes, and a person from the other side of the aisle actually answered the why below:

    "Rev. Wright is an undeniably fiery speaker who, in the long tradition of American preachers, proudly and often indiscriminately uses hyperbole to communicate his point. He is unabashed about mixing his faith with his politics and he is unafraid of being provocative to the point of being offensive. His view of the world is a dark one but it is balanced by a shining belief that people can win the fight against oppression. I can understand how a man like Obama can discount the controversial rhetoric and focus on the deeper message. I can also understand why others would condemn him for doing so.

    Ultimately, I think Rev. Wright reveals what we already know about Obama: he’s a big, ole liberal with a streak of individualism. He sees the world in terms of oppressors and their victims, like most liberals, but has that Christian layer which sees the individual as ultimately in control. He’s also been steeped in the rhetoric of black liberation and the corresponding animosity towards whites – somehow he’s moved passed that and embraced a more unifying vision (or, as some will believe, he’s duplicitous and has a hidden black power agenda).

    Ultimately, Obama’s conversion doesn’t seem to have changed his politics so much as it gave pre-existing politics a spiritual element. If you disagree with liberal ideology you’re likely to find Obama’s theology to be similarly unlikable. They come from different places but arrive at the same goals of social justice and communal prosperity. Rev. Wright delivers that message in a flamboyant style that has resulted in plenty of condemnable statements. But, if we’re going to judge Obama for his religion, it is better to take his faith on its whole rather than basing our perceptions on his pastor’s occasionally offensive diatribes.

    Those of us who are not supporting Obama would do better just to focus on the man’s politics and avoid the temptation to get tangled in a religious debate."

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/blogen...1GT&bbParentWidgetId=B8k88rWwXopuz5STgLeVwBLu
     
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    "The failure of the Iraqi state would be a disaster. It would dishonor the 900-plus men and women who have already died. . . . It would be a betrayal of the promise that we made to the Iraqi people, and it would be hugely destabilizing from a national security perspective."
    --Barack Hussein Obama, July 2004

    So, do you agree with O?
     
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    So I guess Obama's rhetoric has something different. Sorry bub, but screaming the word "change" 96 times during a 30 minute speech is nothing new.
     
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    So you want to sweep it under the carpet...

    Sorry... Thats Not gonna happen...

    Could you imagine the outcry if McCain was even slightly connected to some White Supemacy group...

    Obama celebrated this type of race hatred aimed at anyone and everyone not of African dissent...

    He's a ******... And now America Knows...

    It doesnt matter... Most former Obama supporters I've talked to would support McCain at this point anyway...

    Like I told you.... Its over... Obama is going to get crushed in Pa. And if your lucky the supers will back hillary due to obamas self destruction...

    if not... your screwed...
     
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    Especially given that all of his proposed policies and rhetoric follow the same socialist line carried by all the other liberals.

    Any "change" he offers is centered on style, not substance.
     
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    How Pious, Saintly, and Squeeky Clean of you to pardon GWB........with the such altruistic love and acceptance.
     
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    I can't believe anyone would think Obama is still electable after this.

    Clinton has to play nice, she can't use this against Barack. She can't call him out on it. But McCain can, and will, during the general election, and people will listen.

    I hope and pray the DNC and the superdelegates see how this would affect the general election. I hope to God the voters of Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Kentucky, and other states see the adverse affect this has on the Democratic party. If they select this man as their candidate, they may as well admit they agree with "Reverend" Wright.

    Not only could selecting Barack as their candidate end their chances of reclaiming the White House, it could mean losing their control on the House and Senate when those seats are up for reelection.

    The DNC needs to be smart. I think they are. I think they'll make the right choice.
     

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