The Fable of the siege.

[Indofred]

Hello again,

You post some shit from some daft twat Zionist pillock, and you expect anyone to take it seriously.
Go shit in a bag and punch it.

 

[Crystalclear]

Hamas didn't attack, you did.

The choice for Israel was to attack or to be attacked. Israel did the right thing to protect it's citizens.

Winning a democratic election, is not taking power by force.

Never heard of the battle of Gaza?

End the occupation and blockade and Israel will be safe. Not end it and you just keep creating enemies.

End the blockade and Israel will be be attacked.

You can't tap dance your way out of this one, bitch, Gaza is occupied. Stop talking about shit you know nothing about! And occupational law, is something you know nothing about.

Israel officialy retreated from Gaza in 2005 and still the Palestinians voted for an organisation that wants to wipe out Israel. That's when the blockade was set up again.

The occupation is an act of war and it started 34 years before there was any Hamas.

And the violence against Israel is even older than the occupation.

 

[Billo_Really]

The choice for Israel was to attack or to be attacked. Israel did the right thing to protect it's citizens.

An occupational force cannot claim self defense.

Never heard of the battle of Gaza?

I heard of it. It occurred after the election, did it not?

End the blockade and Israel will be be attacked.

Wrong.

Israel officialy retreated from Gaza in 2005 and still the Palestinians voted for an organisation that wants to wipe out Israel. That's when the blockade was set up again.

If you control the airspace and territorial waters, you haven't left.

And the violence against Israel is even older than the occupation.

If you want to go there, then there was no major incidents of violence between Palestinian-Jews and Palestinian-Arabs until the Zionist migration into the area.

Ergo, you fuckers imported the hostility into the area with your illegal immigration.

 

[docmauser1]

Ergo, you fuckers imported the hostility into the area with your illegal immigration.

"So far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied till their population has increased more than even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish population." Winnie Churchill
Palistanians are such settlers!

 

[Daniyel]

If you want to go there, then there was no major incidents of violence between Palestinian-Jews and Palestinian-Arabs until the Zionist migration into the area.

Ergo, you fuckers imported the hostility into the area with your illegal immigration.

Palestinian-Jews determined themselves as Israelis, the major migrations joined them, Palestinian-Arabs determined themselves as Palestinians, isolating themselves from Israel, which is fine, regardless of the violence, they simply refuse to be Israelis, Israel's land acquired by bloody wars supported by the Palestinians made them not only enemies of Israel, but also land-less, no piece of the cake past the Israeli victories, if living in peace is all they wanted, why not taking the 80% of the land offer? not to mention earlier chances? or anything at all? uhm..

 

[aris2chat]

The choice for Israel was to attack or to be attacked. Israel did the right thing to protect it's citizens.

An occupational force cannot claim self defense.

Never heard of the battle of Gaza?

I heard of it. It occurred after the election, did it not?

End the blockade and Israel will be be attacked.

Wrong.

Israel officialy retreated from Gaza in 2005 and still the Palestinians voted for an organisation that wants to wipe out Israel. That's when the blockade was set up again.

If you control the airspace and territorial waters, you haven't left.

And the violence against Israel is even older than the occupation.

If you want to go there, then there was no major incidents of violence between Palestinian-Jews and Palestinian-Arabs until the Zionist migration into the area.

Ergo, you fuckers imported the hostility into the area with your illegal immigration.

When Jordan had problems with the palestinians they did not hesitate to use deadly superior force, and killing a good many people including civilians.
Syria does not care about how many palestinians they kill, in lebanon or syria.
ISIS is the "Occupational" force and the execute prisoners, christians, civilians, reporters, etc.
Palestinians did their fair share of killing innocents when they were the occupational force in lebanon.
It was not Israel that forced the arabs out, but the other arab brothers so they could destroy Israel. The small percentage of village destruction or forced evacuation is miniscule compared to what ISIS or Syria is doing.
Israel is hardly perfect. Nobody is. The grips and accusations against Israel are highly hypocritical considering what happens in the middle east. You whine about a house being bulldozed but ISIS, Iraq and Syria have bomb and bulldozed whole villages is they believe there are opposition fighter or supporters living there.
Palestinians used to massacre christians in villages they wanted to occupy. They assassinated, kidnapped, hijacked, bombed tried to over throw governments in the name of their statehood. So don't whine incessantly about what Israel does to protect its country and people. Arabs have killed more palestinians that Israel has in 66 yrs. Protest about the wrongs done by arabs. Protest about what they are still doing to others. Compare the number of deaths others are creating to those by Israel, they are much higher. Don't expect Israel to be some paragon while it is surrounded by vultures, vipers, lions and wolves out for Israeli blood, out for everyone's blood.

 

[Crystalclear]

An occupational force cannot claim self defense.

There was no occupation of Gaza when Hamas was just elected. Even no blockade. Still the Palestinians voted for an organisation that wants to wipe out Israel.
Then the blockade was set up again.

I heard of it. It occurred after the election, did it not?

Yes, but it still was a coup

Wrong.

No, it's the truth.

If you control the airspace and territorial waters, you haven't left.

Israel left Gaza entirely, until the Arabs wanted war again by voting Hamas into power.

If you want to go there, then there was no major incidents of violence between Palestinian-Jews and Palestinian-Arabs until the Zionist migration into the area.

Ergo, you fuckers imported the hostility into the area with your illegal immigration.

The Arabs started the violence, wars and hostility againsf Israel.

 

[Billo_Really]

There was no occupation of Gaza when Hamas was just elected. Even no blockade. Still the Palestinians voted for an organisation that wants to wipe out Israel.
Then the blockade was set up again.

Hey, psycho-bitch, if you control the airspace and territorial waters, YOU HAVE NOT LEFT!

Write it down for future reference, I'm getting tired of having to correct you on this issue.

Yes, but it still was a coup

An elected government does not have a coup against a rebel stronghold, it's the other way around.

No, it's the truth.

No, it's a bullshit lie.

Israel left Gaza entirely, until the Arabs wanted war again by voting Hamas into power.

Again, if you control the airspace and territorial waters,
YOU

HAVEN'T

LEFT!

The Arabs started the violence, wars and hostility againsf Israel.

You can stick your fingers in your ears and act like a little 2 year old all you want, it won't change the fact that all the violence in the area started with the Zionist migration.

 

[Indeependent]

Billo...BORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRING!

 

[aris2chat]

Yes, but it still was a coup

An elected government does not have a coup against a rebel stronghold, it's the other way around.

No, it's the truth.

No, it's a bullshit lie.

You live in state "X" and your state has elected both Fudruckers and Dennys to represent them. D. have a majority. D. has a large armed militia.
There are clashes in the streets between the two parties. After a lot of bloodshed D. kill or force the F. out of your state. Your state is now a military state and not participating in the country's government but acting on it's own. In opposition to the country, your state is waging war on a neighboring country.
You state has thrown out or killed those opposed to your military action. The D. have total control of the state and set it own laws. It is acting without knowledge or approval from the rest of the country.

What do you call what happened if not a coup?

 

[Crystalclear]

Hey, psycho-bitch, if you control the airspace and territorial waters, YOU HAVE NOT LEFT!

Write it down for future reference, I'm getting tired of having to correct you on this issue.

I will make a timeline for you.
Israel retreated from Gaza in 2005, Hamas got into charge in 2007 and then the blockade was set up again.
So, there was 2 years no occupation, why did the Arabs still support a war against Israel? There was no occupation before the election, so Israel can claim self defense.

An elected government does not have a coup against a rebel stronghold, it's the other way around.

What is it then? They took absolute power and turned Gaza into a fascist, military state. No democracy and no parliament. Only complete control of Gaza by Hamas. They were elected, but what after that was just a coup.

Again, if you control the airspace and territorial waters,
YOU

HAVEN'T

LEFT!

You can stick your fingers in your ears and act like a little 2 year old all you want, it won't change the fact that all the violence in the area started with the Zionist migration.

The Middle East has always been a violent area.

 

[Billo_Really]

I will make a timeline for you.
Israel retreated from Gaza in 2005, Hamas got into charge in 2007 and then the blockade was set up again.
So, there was 2 years no occupation, why did the Arabs still support a war against Israel? There was no occupation before the election, so Israel can claim self defense.

Why is it, you can't comment on Israel's control of Gaza's airspace and territorial waters? That is something that did not leave in 2005.

 

[Billo_Really]

You live in state "X" and your state has elected both Fudruckers and Dennys to represent them. D. have a majority. D. has a large armed militia.
There are clashes in the streets between the two parties. After a lot of bloodshed D. kill or force the F. out of your state. Your state is now a military state and not participating in the country's government but acting on it's own. In opposition to the country, your state is waging war on a neighboring country.
You state has thrown out or killed those opposed to your military action. The D. have total control of the state and set it own laws. It is acting without knowledge or approval from the rest of the country.

What do you call what happened if not a coup?

A coup, is an overthrow of a government, not a consolidation of government. In either case, what Hamas did after the election was fucked. But it was also corrected with their unity government. So why didn't that government have more support from the Israeli's?

 

[RoccoR]

Billo_Really, et al,

For more than a couple decades, the Arab (fundamentalist Islamic) world has given rise to more than a half dozen, extremely volatile movements. HAMAS is just one of them.

In either case, what Hamas did after the election was fucked.

(COMMENT)

No argument there.

But it was also corrected with their unity government. So why didn't that government have more support from the Israeli's?

(COMMENT)

All a unity government did was merge the Fedayeen of Fatah with the even worse Jihadist of HAMAS.

• Did the merger of the unity government contribute to making the overall Government of Palestine better?
• Did the merger bring a reduction in violence to the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict?
• Did the unification contribute more to the safety and security of regional peace?

In effect, all the unification did was further contaminate the already hostile government of the West Bank, by injecting element with anti-Israeli policies and influences of a much more Jihadist oriented Palestinian movement --- giving rise to an even more virulent strain of Palestinian terrorism.

The overarching goal of HAMAS is, of course, to fulfill the national duty of Liberating of Palestine. Since the beginning of the HAMAS control in GAZA, the first of the goals is to break containment. If HAMAS can break containment, and the the security quarantine, it can then begin to amass the arsenal necessary to equip the force necessary to challenge the only real opposition to its acceleration in growth. (Israel)

HAMAS believes that none of the Arab regional powers will defend Israel (or oppose HAMAS), and once HAMAS is secure in its footprint, it can target the weakest nations on its borders in descending order.

What positive contribution to regional security does the support of HAMAS, or any influence infected with HAMAS, make?

Most Respectfully,
R