The Fabian Society

[loosecannon]

All this talk of socialism and democracy... lets not forget we are a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC, not a demacracy.

we are a social democracy.

 

[loosecannon]

Wish the statists would understand that their violent actions are not justifiable under said contact and are nothing more than brute force.

the statists assume a social contract is enacted as soon as a parent enrolls a newborn for a SS #. And no act of God can revoke the assignment of that #. Not even death.

I don't even understand that kind of jibberjabber. Human beings (including Americans, surprise surprise) are social animals, period.

do you know what a "social contract" is? Do you know what a "statist" is? Do you understand the concept of "state monopoly on force", or violence?

 

[The Infidel]

All this talk of socialism and democracy... lets not forget we are a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC, not a demacracy.

we are a social democracy.

Wrong.... if that is so, then why do we have a Constituion, and representatives?

Of course that is a rhetorical question beings that this regime shits on it all the time.


You must've went to public school... so you have a pass on it.

 

[loosecannon]

being a social democracy is independent of what a constitution says.

I don't believe that any of the 30 or so social democracies are defined as such in their founding documents. Just like the Federal Republic of Germany wasn't described as a totalitarian fascist state by it's constitution in the 30's.

 

[MaggieMae]

All this talk of socialism and democracy... lets not forget we are a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC, not a demacracy.

The United States is a hybrid of both a Republic and a Democracy. As a Constitutional Republic, we have Constitutional checks and balances in place as protection from the tyranny of the majority. As a Representative Democracy, elected officials represent the people, also pursuant to Constitutional law.

You can call it a Doorknob for all I care, but it still comes out the same.

 

[MaggieMae]

the statists assume a social contract is enacted as soon as a parent enrolls a newborn for a SS #. And no act of God can revoke the assignment of that #. Not even death.

I don't even understand that kind of jibberjabber. Human beings (including Americans, surprise surprise) are social animals, period.

do you know what a "social contract" is? Do you know what a "statist" is? Do you understand the concept of "state monopoly on force", or violence?

Sure. Conspiracy theories.

If you think we are living in a "statist" society, the gubmit would have confiscated, by force, the trillions in cash businesses are currently hoarding instead of investing in their businesses so they could start hiring again.

Wanna try again?

Good grief, you morons are looking for wars where none exist.

 

[MaggieMae]

All this talk of socialism and democracy... lets not forget we are a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC, not a demacracy.

we are a social democracy.

Wrong.... if that is so, then why do we have a Constituion, and representatives?

Of course that is a rhetorical question beings that this regime shits on it all the time.


You must've went to public school... so you have a pass on it.

And what kind of 'school' didn't teach you?

 

[Oddball]

If you think we are living in a "statist" society, the gubmit would have confiscated, by force, the trillions in cash businesses are currently hoarding instead of investing in their businesses so they could start hiring again.

They don't have to do that when they can jut print up the money. Then they can steal the value of the money on the sidelines, by inflating its value away.

That's not a conspiracy, it's business as usual.

 

[MaggieMae]

If you think we are living in a "statist" society, the gubmit would have confiscated, by force, the trillions in cash businesses are currently hoarding instead of investing in their businesses so they could start hiring again.

They don't have to do that when they can jut print up the money. Then they can steal the value of the money on the sidelines, by inflating its value away.

That's not a conspiracy, it's business as usual.

Yeah, they should just do that anyway. I mean why bother with all these silly attempts to balance devaluation/monetary/trade policy mumbo jumbo. Just send us all a million bucks.

 

[Oddball]

Like you have any idea how the Fed's funny money monetary system works (mostly in favor of those eeeeevvviillll Wall Street bankseters, BTW) in the first place.

 

[The T]

All this talk of socialism and democracy... lets not forget we are a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC, not a demacracy.

we are a social democracy.

Who taught you that?

 

[loosecannon]

I don't even understand that kind of jibberjabber. Human beings (including Americans, surprise surprise) are social animals, period.

do you know what a "social contract" is? Do you know what a "statist" is? Do you understand the concept of "state monopoly on force", or violence?

Sure. Conspiracy theories.

If you think we are living in a "statist" society, the gubmit would have confiscated, by force, the trillions in cash businesses are currently hoarding instead of investing in their businesses so they could start hiring again.

Wanna try again?

Good grief, you morons are looking for wars where none exist.

totally wrong.

Neither the definition of "statists", "social contract" or "state monopoly on use of force" mean anything you imagine.

They are all generic mainstream ideas that any government official would immediately cop to.

Sorry.

 

[loosecannon]

All this talk of socialism and democracy... lets not forget we are a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC, not a demacracy.

we are a social democracy.

Who taught you that?

nobody had to teach me that, it is self evident!

Social democracy is a political ideology of the centre-left on the classic political spectrum. The contemporary social democratic movement seeks to reform capitalism to align it with the ethical ideals of social justice while maintaining the capitalist mode of production, as opposed to creating an alternative socialist economic system.[1] Practical modern social democratic policies include the promotion of a welfare state, and the creation of economic democracy as a means to secure workers' rights.[

2]

Social democracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Many of the policies espoused by social democrats in the first half of the 20th century have since been put into practice by social democratic governments throughout the industrialized world. Industries have been nationalized, public spending has seen a large long-term rise, and the role of the state in providing free-to-user or subsidized health care and education has increased greatly. Many of the reforms made by social democrats in Europe, such as the establishment of national health care services, have been embraced by liberals and conservatives, and there is no support outside of a radical fringe for a return to 19th-century levels of public spending and economic regulation. Even in the United States, where no major social democratic party exists, there are regulatory programmes (such as public health and environmental protection) and welfare programmes (such as Medicare[18] and Medicaid[19]) which enjoy bipartisan support.

 

[loosecannon]

since it has inspired so much angst:

stat·ism (sttzm)
n.
The practice or doctrine of giving a centralized government control over economic planning and policy.

statist - definition of statist by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

Definitions of social contract on the Web:

* an implicit agreement among people that results in the organization of society; individual surrenders liberty in return for protection
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

* Social contract describes a broad class of theories that try to explain the ways in which people form states to maintain social order. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract

* The Social Contract, Or Principles of Political Right (Du contrat social ou Principes du droit politique) (1762) by Jean-Jacques Rousseau, is the book in which Rousseau theorized about the best way in which to set up a political community in the face of the problems of commercial society which ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Social_Contract

* The social contract in Malaysia refers to the agreement made by the country's founding fathers in the Constitution. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract_(Malaysia)

* The Social Contract refers to a 1993 initiative of the provincial Ontario New Democratic Party government of Bob Rae to impose austerity measures on civil service. The plan imposed a wage freeze and mandatory unpaid days of leave for civil servants, which became known as Rae Days.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Contract_(Ontario)

* The Social Contract is a term used to describe policy by the Labour government of Harold Wilson in 1970s Britain.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Contract_(Britain)

* "The Social Contract" is the seventeenth episode of the fifth season of House. It aired on March 9th, 2009.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Social_Contract_(House)

* agreement among all the people in a society to give up part of their freedom to a government in exchange for protection of natural rights. John Locke and Jean-Jacques Rousseau were two European political philosophers who wrote about this concept.
HistoryCentral.com - Your Source for Everything History -> American History > US Civic Terms

define:social contract - Google Search

State monopoly on use of force

State monopoly on use of force - Google Search

The monopoly on violence (German: Gewaltmonopol des Staates) is the definition of the state expounded by Max Weber in Politics as a Vocation, which has been predominant in philosophy of law and political philosophy in the twentieth century.

It defines a single entity, the state, exercising authority on violence over a given territory, as territory was also deemed by Weber to be a characteristic of state. Importantly, such a monopoly must occur via a process of legitimation, wherein a claim is laid to legitimise the state's use of violence.

Monopoly on violence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

BTW the implied legitimacy of a state's monopoly on the use of force is what makes cold blooded murder in war legal while the same acts in other contexts are illegal. It also is the basis for our police using force, arresting, trying, convicting and even executing criminals.

 

[Urkie]

Sure. Conspiracy theories.

If you think we are living in a "statist" society, the gubmit would have confiscated, by force, the trillions in cash businesses are currently hoarding instead of investing in their businesses so they could start hiring again.

Wanna try again?

Good grief, you morons are looking for wars where none exist.

The government turns to China and a printing press to get their money.

All it eventually does is devalue the dollar through inflation so they end up stealing from us anyway.

 

[MaggieMae]

do you know what a "social contract" is? Do you know what a "statist" is? Do you understand the concept of "state monopoly on force", or violence?

Sure. Conspiracy theories.

If you think we are living in a "statist" society, the gubmit would have confiscated, by force, the trillions in cash businesses are currently hoarding instead of investing in their businesses so they could start hiring again.

Wanna try again?

Good grief, you morons are looking for wars where none exist.

totally wrong.

Neither the definition of "statists", "social contract" or "state monopoly on use of force" mean anything you imagine.

They are all generic mainstream ideas that any government official would immediately cop to.

Sorry.

I still think you're attempting to make mountains out of molehills by taking someone's theory and presuming it's already in practice on a large scale as being something "evil."

 

[MaggieMae]

Like you have any idea how the Fed's funny money monetary system works (mostly in favor of those eeeeevvviillll Wall Street bankseters, BTW) in the first place.

I know how it works, and I know that the major banks play the primary role, goofball. So what's your brilliant solution? Trade beaver hides for a shank of hog for dinner?

 

[MaggieMae]

Sure. Conspiracy theories.

If you think we are living in a "statist" society, the gubmit would have confiscated, by force, the trillions in cash businesses are currently hoarding instead of investing in their businesses so they could start hiring again.

Wanna try again?

Good grief, you morons are looking for wars where none exist.

The government turns to China and a printing press to get their money.

All it eventually does is devalue the dollar through inflation so they end up stealing from us anyway.

Your solutions? How do you suppose our overall economy would be affected if we suddenly told China to go fuck itself and we stopped importing everything WalMart sells (WalMart being the number one EMPLOYER in the United States, for starters)? What would happen then when China would demand immediate payment on all the T-bonds it holds? Where would THAT money come from?

Playing the coulda/woulda/shoulda game doesn't solve the problem.

 

[loosecannon]

I still think you're attempting to make mountains out of molehills by taking someone's theory and presuming it's already in practice on a large scale as being something "evil."

I did none of that, you did.

 

[loosecannon]

Like you have any idea how the Fed's funny money monetary system works (mostly in favor of those eeeeevvviillll Wall Street bankseters, BTW) in the first place.

I know how it works, and I know that the major banks play the primary role, goofball. So what's your brilliant solution? Trade beaver hides for a shank of hog for dinner?

again you are arguing with your own phantoms.

All Oddball was asserting was that we do indeed have a statist federal government. again for clarity:

stat·ism (sttzm)
n.
The practice or doctrine of giving a centralized government control over economic planning and policy.

statist - definition of statist by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

Who can deny that the USA does this and on a scale that is expanding rapidly since the recession began? Even the RW thinks that the federal government should take a role in controlling the economy using stimulative tax policy. And they have been beating that drum since Reagan.