The European Invention of Palestine

[JStone]

Assuming all Palestinians are Arabs.

What are the Palestinians than? Black? Greek? I have met Palestinians and they are Arab and Muslim for the most part.

It just seems highly unlikely that a country whose population has been in flux for thousands of years can end up with a pure race.

The Jewish nation has continuously existed in Israel for 3000 years and no other nation has ever been established in Israel for those 3 millenia.

Israel has been occupied by Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans and others, however, they were occupiers not nations.

Pulitzer Prize-Winning Writer Charles Krauthammer...

Israel is the very embodiment of Jewish continuity: It is the only nation on earth that inhabits the same land, bears the same name, speaks the same language, and worships the same God that it did 3,000 years ago. You dig the soil and you find pottery from Davidic times, coins from Bar Kokhba, and 2,000-year-old scrolls written in a script remarkably like the one that today advertises ice cream at the corner candy store.

Eminent Historian Bernard Lewis...

It is by now commonplace that the civilizations of the Middle East are oldest known to human history. They go back thousands of years, much older than the civilizations of India and China, not to speak of other upstart places. It is also interesting, though now often forgotten, that the ancient civilizations of the Middle East were almost totally obliterated and forgotten by their own people as well as by others. Their monuments were defaced or destroyed, their languages forgotten, their scripts forgotten, their history forgotten and even their identities forgotten. All that was known about them came from one single source, and that is Israel, the only component of the ancient Middle East to have retained their identity, their memory, their language and their books. For a very long time, up to comparatively modern times, with rare exceptions all that was known about the ancient Middle East--the Babylonians, the Egyptians and the rest--was what the Jewish tradiiton has preserved.

Tel Dan Stele Verifying [King] Davidic Dynasty 3000 years ago
The Tel Dan Stela and the Kings of Aram and Israel

Judaea Capta Coins Minted By Romans against Jews 2000 Yrs Ago
Judaea Capta coinage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jewish Dead Sea Scrolls 2000 Yrs Old.
Dead Sea Scrolls - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel has been occupied by Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans and others, however, they were occupiers not nations.

So that means that the Palestinians have been there forever.

 

[JStone]

Israel has been occupied by Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans and others, however, they were occupiers not nations.

So that means that the Palestinians have been there forever.

That means Fakestinians are a recent invention who came from Arabia like every Arab.

Eminent Archaeologist and Historian, former Fulbright Scholar Eric Cline...

The claims that modern Palestinians are descended from the ancient Jebusites are madewithout any supporting evidence. Historians and archaeologists have generally concluded that most, if not all, modern Palestinians are probably more closely related to the Arabs of Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Jordan and other countries than they are to the ancient Jebusites, Canaanites or Philistines.

Rashid Khalidi, professor of Middle East history and director of the Center for International Studies at the University of Chicago and advisor to various Arab groups...

There is a relatively recent tradition which argues that Palestinian nationalism has deep historical roots. As with other national movements, extreme advocates of this view anachronistically read back into the history of Palestine over the past few centuries a nationalist consciousness and identity that are in fact relatively modern. Among the manifestations of this outlook are a predilection for seeing in peoples such as the Canaanites, Jebusites and Philistines the lineal ancestors of the modern Palestinians.

 

[Rocko]

I guess when it comes to propaganda, the Palestinians take the cake, I mean at least the Jews exist.

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Way back on March 31, 1977, the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. Here's what he said:

The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism.


For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.

In fact, on the same day Arafat signed the Declaration of Principles on the White House lawn in 1993, he explained his actions on Jordan TV. Here's what he said: "Since we cannot defeat Israel in war, we do this in stages. We take any and every territory that we can of Palestine, and establish a sovereignty there, and we use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, we can get the Arab nations to join us for the final blow against Israel."

 

[P F Tinmore]

When the Ottomans took over Palestine they did not change the population. The same Palestinians were there after WWI that were there hundreds of years earlier.

 

[High_Gravity]

Assuming all Palestinians are Arabs.

What are the Palestinians than? Black? Greek? I have met Palestinians and they are Arab and Muslim for the most part.

It just seems highly unlikely that a country whose population has been in flux for thousands of years can end up with a pure race.

Ask any Palestinian and they will tell you they are Arab, all of them speak it and most of them are Muslim for the most part, I don't even know why this is up for debate, I am yet to meet a Palestinian who said they were not Arab.

 

[Moonglow]

The term Semite means a member of any of various ancient and modern Semitic-speaking peoples originating in southwestern Asia, including; Akkadians (Assyrians and Babylonians), Eblaites, Ugarites, Canaanites, Phoenicians, Hebrews (Israelites, Judeans and Samaritans), Arameans, Chaldeans, Amorites, Moabites, Edomites, Hyksos, Arabs, Nabateans, Maganites, Shebans, Sutu, Maltese, Mandeans and Ethiopian Semites. It was proposed at first to refer to the languages related to Hebrew by Ludwig Schlözer, in Eichhorn's "Repertorium", vol. VIII (Leipzig, 1781),

The word "Semitic" is an adjective derived from Shem, one of the three sons of Noah in the Bible (Genesis 5.32, 6.10, 10.21), or more precisely from the Greek derivative of that name, namely Σημ (Sēm); the noun form referring to a person is Semite.

now you know

 

[Rocko]

When the Ottomans took over Palestine they did not change the population. The same Palestinians were there after WWI that were there hundreds of years earlier.

The point is that the same people that were there during the Ottoman empire are in Jordan, Syria, Lebonon, The West Bank, and Gaza..

That's alot of Arab land, and there is only a tiny piece of Jewish land that's in dispute. Wars were fought, and the jews won.

The whole muslim world has a problem with this, because it's a religious holy land to them, so they created the indigenous palestinians...

It doesn't really matter, the jews say they were first, the palestinians say they were, but the issue was settled in war..

 

[JakeStarkey]

Jews won, Arabs lost, get over it.

Nothing will change.

 

[High_Gravity]

Jews won, Arabs lost, get over it.

Nothing will change.

Post of the day.

 

[JStone]

Jews won, Arabs lost, get over it.

Nothing will change.

Allah knows the Jews are the winners and his own Muslims the losers.

Quran: Remember Moses said to his people: 'O my people! Recall in remembrance the favor of Allah unto you, when He produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave you what He had not given to any other among the peoples. O my people! Enter the holy land which Allah hath assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin.

Allah is most wise Allahu akbar!

 

[P F Tinmore]

Jews won, Arabs lost, get over it.

Nothing will change.

I have heard that a million times but nobody has been able to show what the "Arabs" lost in the 1948 war.

 

[JStone]

Jews won, Arabs lost, get over it.

Nothing will change.

I have heard that a million times but nobody has been able to show what the "Arabs" lost in the 1948 war.

The Arabs lost their pride. Arab humiliation over the trauma of their defeat by Israel is etched in their bedouin brains to today

Arab have zero reputational points just like you, dink

 

[Dot Com]

http://www.haaretz.com/news/u-s-gen...-conflict-foments-anti-u-s-sentiment-1.264910
U.S. general: Israel-Palestinian conflict foments anti-U.S. sentiment
General Petraeus: Conflict presents distinct challenges to our ability to advance U.S. interests.

 

[theliq]

Honestly Stoned THIS must be one of the SILLYIST comments you have ever made,time after time you Glean Biblical text,which are somewhat irrelevant to the Palestinians because this term was not used until circa AD180.

Come On Stoney..........its whats happening today that really matters,and how these two NATIONS can move forward to a Peaceful Future.

theliqThe Ottoman Empire never surrendered,as for your appaulling comment that in 1948 "PALESTINIANS decided to leave is so CRASS that it defies belief,you truthfully would have been a great asset to the propaganda department of the nazi regime,such is you complete denial of the truth and facts.

At times Stoney I despair of what,how and why you think like you do...steven but I can and will help you through this malady.

The word "Palestine" conjurs up images of an ancient biblical place dating back to the earliest civilizations in history. In fact, Palestine is an English word that is a fairly recent invention created by Europeans after collapse of the 400 year old Ottoman Empire in World War I when Great Britain took possession of the land from the Ottoman Turks who surrendered it.

Thus, it comes as no surprise that Palestine is never mentioned in the Hebrew Bible, Christian Bible nor even the Quran. Palestine appears on no ancient historical documents nor any archaeological artifacts.

Cambridge University's book division explains further...

Cambridge University Press---

In Ottoman times, no political entity called Palestine existed. After the collapse of the Ottoman Empire at the end of the First World War, European boundary makers began to take greater interest in defining territorial limits for Palestine. Only since the 1920s has Palestine had formally delimited boundaries, though these have remained subject to repeated change and a source of bitter dispute.
Palestine Boundaries 1833–1947 - Cambridge Archive Editions

The Brits invented "Palestine" based on the Romans, also Europeans, who after occupying Israel and Judaea, the actual historical homeland of the Jewish People, changed the name to the Latin "Palaestina" in retribution for the Jewish uprisings against their Roman oppressors. Palaestina was based on the Philistines who were ancient enemies of the Jews. The Philistines originated from Greece, known as the Sea Peoples referring to the Mediterranean Sea. The same Romans infamous for feeding Christians to the lions.

Thus, funny enough, today's so-called Palestinians, who, after all, are really Arabs, base their identity on an English and Latin word [Palestine, Palaestina] that describes a Greek people [Philistines] There is absolutely nothing "Palestiniain" about Palestine nor Palestinians!

Israel is mentioned over 2000 times in the Bible.

The British fashioned themselves inheritors of the Roman Empire and paid tribute to them by renaming Israel, too, "Palestine" to denote the land of Israel under their British Mandate that ended in 1948. After termination of the British Mandate and Israeli statehood in '48, Palestine ceased to exist replaced by the rightful name of Israel that dates back over 3000 years.

Eminent Middle East historian and scholar Bernard Lewis sums it up...

The adjective Palestinian is comparatively new. This, I need hardly remind you, is a region of ancient civilization and of deep-rooted and often complex identitites. But, Palestine was not one of them. People might identify themselves for various purposes, by religion, by descent, or by allegiance to a particular state or ruler, or, sometimes, locality. But, when they did it locally it was generally either the city and the immediate district or the larger province, so they would have been Jerusalemites or Jaffaites or Syrians, identifying province of Syria

The constitution or the formation of a political entity called Palestine which eventually gave rise to a nationality called Palestinian were lasting innovations of the British Mandate

Guy Milliere, Eminent Professor of History and Political Science, Sorbonne, Paris, puts the final point on the matter...

No one had heard of a Palestinian people before the mid-1960s. They did not exist. Israel under the British Mandate until Israel' s Independence in 1948 was called Palestine. All Jews who were born there until i948 had the word « Palestine » stamped on their passports. The current Palestinians are those Arabs who, for a variety of reasons, decided to leave the land during the 1947 War of Independence, when five countries – Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq – attacked the 600,000 people in the fledgling state of Israel the day after its birth, hoping to kill it in the crib.
The War Against Israel Goes On- by Guy Millière | DRZZ.fr

 

[JStone]

Honestly Stoned THIS must be one of the SILLYIST comments you have evcer made,time after time you Glean Biblical text,which are somewhat irrelevant to the Palestinians because this term was not used buntil circa AD180.

Come On Stoney..........its whats happening today that really matters,and how these two NATIONS can move forward to a Peaceful Future.

Palestinians are an Arab nation, dummy. There are 22 Arab countries.

The Jewish nation is the only nation that has ever been established in Israel in 3000 years.

Pulitzer Prize-Winning Writer Charles Krauthammer...

Israel is the very embodiment of Jewish continuity: It is the only nation on earth that inhabits the same land, bears the same name, speaks the same language, and worships the same God that it did 3,000 years ago. You dig the soil and you find pottery from Davidic times, coins from Bar Kokhba, and 2,000-year-old scrolls written in a script remarkably like the one that today advertises ice cream at the corner candy store.

Tel Dan Stele Verifying [King] Davidic Dynasty 1000 BCE
The Tel Dan Stela and the Kings of Aram and Israel

Judaea Capta Coins Minted By Romans 2000 Yrs Old
Judaea Capta coinage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dead Sea Scrolls 2000 Yrs Old.
Dead Sea Scrolls - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[theliq]

Jews won, Arabs lost, get over it.

Nothing will change.

Post of the day.

BY THE SELF ADMITTED DRUNKARD...pass him the next bottle of METH'S,.

 

[theliq]

DITTOsteven

Honestly Stoned THIS must be one of the SILLYIST comments you have evcer made,time after time you Glean Biblical text,which are somewhat irrelevant to the Palestinians because this term was not used buntil circa AD180.

Come On Stoney..........its whats happening today that really matters,and how these two NATIONS can move forward to a Peaceful Future.

Palestinians are an Arab nation, dummy. There are 22 Arab countries.

The Jewish nation is the only nation that has ever been established in Israel in 3000 years.

Pulitzer Prize-Winning Writer Charles Krauthammer...

Israel is the very embodiment of Jewish continuity: It is the only nation on earth that inhabits the same land, bears the same name, speaks the same language, and worships the same God that it did 3,000 years ago. You dig the soil and you find pottery from Davidic times, coins from Bar Kokhba, and 2,000-year-old scrolls written in a script remarkably like the one that today advertises ice cream at the corner candy store.

Tel Dan Stele Verifying [King] Davidic Dynasty 1000 BCE
The Tel Dan Stela and the Kings of Aram and Israel

Judaea Capta Coins Minted By Romans 2000 Yrs Old
Judaea Capta coinage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dead Sea Scrolls 2000 Yrs Old.
Dead Sea Scrolls - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[JStone]

DITTOsteven

Honestly Stoned THIS must be one of the SILLYIST comments you have evcer made,time after time you Glean Biblical text,which are somewhat irrelevant to the Palestinians because this term was not used buntil circa AD180.

Come On Stoney..........its whats happening today that really matters,and how these two NATIONS can move forward to a Peaceful Future.

Palestinians are an Arab nation, dummy. There are 22 Arab countries.

The Jewish nation is the only nation that has ever been established in Israel in 3000 years.

Pulitzer Prize-Winning Writer Charles Krauthammer...

Israel is the very embodiment of Jewish continuity: It is the only nation on earth that inhabits the same land, bears the same name, speaks the same language, and worships the same God that it did 3,000 years ago. You dig the soil and you find pottery from Davidic times, coins from Bar Kokhba, and 2,000-year-old scrolls written in a script remarkably like the one that today advertises ice cream at the corner candy store.

Tel Dan Stele Verifying [King] Davidic Dynasty 1000 BCE
The Tel Dan Stela and the Kings of Aram and Israel

Judaea Capta Coins Minted By Romans 2000 Yrs Old
Judaea Capta coinage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dead Sea Scrolls 2000 Yrs Old.
Dead Sea Scrolls - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pulitzer Prize-Winning Writer Charles Krauthammer...

Israel is the very embodiment of Jewish continuity: It is the only nation on earth that inhabits the same land, bears the same name, speaks the same language, and worships the same God that it did 3,000 years ago. You dig the soil and you find pottery from Davidic times, coins from Bar Kokhba, and 2,000-year-old scrolls written in a script remarkably like the one that today advertises ice cream at the corner candy store.

PBS: Civilization and the Jews

The interaction of Jewish history and Western civilization successively assumed different forms. In the Biblical and Ancient periods, Israel was an integral part of the Near Eastern and classical world, which gave birth to Western civilization. It shared the traditions of ancient Mesopotamia and the rest of that world with regard to it’s own beginning; it benefited from the decline of Egypt and the other great Near Eastern empires to emerge as a nation in it’s own right; it asserted it’s claim to the divinely promised Land of Israel...
PBS - Heritage

University of Chicago Oriental Institute---Empires in the Fertile Crescent: : Israel, Ancient Assyria, and Anatolia

Visitors will get a rare look at one of the most important geographic regions in the ancient Near East beginning January 29 with the opening of "Empires in the Fertile Crescent: Ancient Assyria, Anatolia and Israel," the newest galleries at the Museum of the Oriental Institute of the University of Chicago.

The galleries showcase artifacts that illustrate the power of these ancient civilizations, including sculptural representations of tributes demanded by kings of ancient Assyria, and some sources of continual fascination, such as a fragment of the Dead Sea Scrolls--one of the few examples in the United States.

"Visitors begin in Assyria, move across Anatolia and down the Mediterranean coast to the land of ancient Israel. The galleries also trace the conquests of the Assyrian empire across the Middle East and follow their trail to Israel."

The Israelites, who emerged as the dominant people of that region in about 975 B.C. are documented by many objects of daily life, a large stamp engraved with a biblical text and an ossuary (box for bones) inscribed in Hebrew.
Probably the most spectacular portion of the Megiddo gallery, however, is the Megiddo ivories. These exquisitely carved pieces of elephant tusks were inlays in furniture, and a particularly large piece was made into a game board.

Oriental Institute | Museum

Harvard Semitic Museum: The Houses of Ancient Israel

In archaeological terms The Houses of Ancient Israel: Domestic, Royal, Divine focuses on the Iron Age (1200-586 B.C.E.). Iron I (1200-1000 B.C.E.) represents the premonarchical period. Iron II (1000-586 B.C.E.) was the time of kings. Uniting the tribal coalitions of Israel and Judah in the tenth century B.C.E., David and Solomon ruled over an expanding realm. After Solomon's death (c. 930 B.C.E.) Israel and Judah separated into two kingdoms.
Israel was led at times by strong kings, Omri and Ahab in the ninth century B.C.E. and Jereboam II in the eighth. In the end, however, Israel was no match for expansionist Assyria. Samaria, the Israelite capital, fell to the Assyrians in 722 B.C.E.

The Houses of Ancient Israel § Semitic Museum

University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology: Canaan and Ancient Israel

The first major North American exhibition dedicated to the archaeology of ancient Israel and neighboring lands, "Canaan and Ancient Israel" features more than 350 rare artifacts from about 3,000 to 586 B.C.E., excavated by University of Pennsylvania Museum archaeologists in Israel,
Artcom Museums Tour: University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology, Philadelphia PA

Yale Law School Faculty Scholarship Series: Ancient Land Law in Israel, Mesopotamia, Egypt

This Article provides an overview of the land regimes that the peoples of Mesopotamia, Egypt, and Israel created by law and custom between 3000 B.C. and 500 B.C

A look at land regimes in the earliest periods of human history can illuminate debate over the extent to which human institutions can be expected to vary from time to time and place to place.
"Ancient Land Law: Mesopotamia, Egypt, Israel" by Robert C. Ellickson and Charles DiA. Thorland

Yale University Press: Education in Ancient Israel

In this groundbreaking new book, distinguished biblical scholar James L. Crenshaw investigates both the pragmatic hows and the philosophical whys of education in ancient Israel and its surroundings. Asking questions as basic as "Who were the teachers and students and from what segment of Israelite society did they come?" and "How did instructors interest young people in the things they had to say?" Crenshaw explores the institutions and practices of education in ancient Israel. The results are often surprising and more complicated than one would expect.

Education in Ancient Israel - Crenshaw, James L - Yale University Press

Yale University Press: The Archaeology of Ancient Israel

In this lavishly illustrated book some of Israel's foremost archaeologists present a thorough, up-to-date, and readily accessible survey of early life in the land of the Bible, from the Neolithic era (eighth millennium B.C.E.) to the fall of Jerusalem and the destruction of the First Temple in 586 B.C.E. It will be a delightful and informative resource for anyone who has ever wanted to know more about the religious, scientific, or historical background of the region.
The Archaeology of Ancient Israel - Ben-Tor, Amnon; Greenberg, R. - Yale University Press

Cambridge University Press: The World of Ancient Israel
The Bodies of God and the World of Ancient Israel - Academic and Professional Books - Cambridge University Press

Cambridge University Press: Wisdom in Ancient Israel
Wisdom in Ancient Israel - Academic and Professional Books - Cambridge University Press

PBS Nova...

In the banks of the Nile in southern Egypt in 1896, British archaeologisit Flinders Petrie unearthed one of the most important discoveries in biblical archaeology known as the Merneptah Stele. Merneptah's stele announces the entrance on the world stage of a People named Israel.

The Merneptah Stele is powerful evidence that a People called the Israelites are living in Canaan over 3000 years ago

Dr. Donald Redford, Egyptologist and archaeologist: The Merneptah Stele is priceless evidence for the presence of an ethnical group called Israel in Canaan.

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[theliq]

O Stoney with PRUFROCK in your head......I for one am happy to get you through all this...steven aka theliq,aka

DITTOsteven

Palestinians are an Arab nation, dummy. There are 22 Arab countries.

The Jewish nation is the only nation that has ever been established in Israel in 3000 years.

Pulitzer Prize-Winning Writer Charles Krauthammer...


Tel Dan Stele Verifying [King] Davidic Dynasty 1000 BCE
The Tel Dan Stela and the Kings of Aram and Israel

Judaea Capta Coins Minted By Romans 2000 Yrs Old
Judaea Capta coinage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dead Sea Scrolls 2000 Yrs Old.
Dead Sea Scrolls - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pulitzer Prize-Winning Writer Charles Krauthammer...


PBS: Civilization and the Jews


University of Chicago Oriental Institute---Empires in the Fertile Crescent: : Israel, Ancient Assyria, and Anatolia

Harvard Semitic Museum: The Houses of Ancient Israel


University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology: Canaan and Ancient Israel


Yale Law School Faculty Scholarship Series: Ancient Land Law in Israel, Mesopotamia, Egypt


Yale University Press: Education in Ancient Israel


Yale University Press: The Archaeology of Ancient Israel

In this lavishly illustrated book some of Israel's foremost archaeologists present a thorough, up-to-date, and readily accessible survey of early life in the land of the Bible, from the Neolithic era (eighth millennium B.C.E.) to the fall of Jerusalem and the destruction of the First Temple in 586 B.C.E. It will be a delightful and informative resource for anyone who has ever wanted to know more about the religious, scientific, or historical background of the region.
The Archaeology of Ancient Israel - Ben-Tor, Amnon; Greenberg, R. - Yale University Press

Cambridge University Press: The World of Ancient Israel
The Bodies of God and the World of Ancient Israel - Academic and Professional Books - Cambridge University Press

Cambridge University Press: Wisdom in Ancient Israel
Wisdom in Ancient Israel - Academic and Professional Books - Cambridge University Press

PBS Nova...

In the banks of the Nile in southern Egypt in 1896, British archaeologisit Flinders Petrie unearthed one of the most important discoveries in biblical archaeology known as the Merneptah Stele. Merneptah's stele announces the entrance on the world stage of a People named Israel.

The Merneptah Stele is powerful evidence that a People called the Israelites are living in Canaan over 3000 years ago

Dr. Donald Redford, Egyptologist and archaeologist: The Merneptah Stele is priceless evidence for the presence of an ethnical group called Israel in Canaan.

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