the energy compromise

I wanna know who gets THAT money and who is going to oversee it.

Pretty much the same groups of companies that make money from today's energy will make it from tomorrow's energy. Afterall they are the only companies with the resources necessary to build the massive infrastructure needed to handle new energy solutions.
 
I don't like it because Florida doesn't get a say and it brings drilling to 50 miles off the coast.

The states never have a say in issues of national security. And energy is a central component of national security.
 
Pretty much the same groups of companies that make money from today's energy will make it from tomorrow's energy. Afterall they are the only companies with the resources necessary to build the massive infrastructure needed to handle new energy solutions.

That's what I figure too. Some people aren't going to be thrilled when they figure that out.

SOLAR POWER ! brought to you by EXX-SUN !!!!! :badgrin:
 
That's what I figure too. Some people aren't going to be thrilled when they figure that out.

SOLAR POWER ! brought to you by EXX-SUN !!!!! :badgrin:

Then the Liberal talking point will be....

Republicans are in the pockets of big Solar...:eusa_eh:
 
Then the Liberal talking point will be....

Republicans are in the pockets of big Solar...:eusa_eh:

Solar energy shingles will be owned by individual home owners, not oil companies.

That's the difference.
 
Solar energy shingles will be owned by individual home owners, not oil companies.

That's the difference.

They'll be manufactured and serviced by the energy firms. And the lines back into the power grid they are connected to is also run by the energy firms. Same for domestic wind turbines, a MUCH more efficient mechanism in most parts of the country than solar panels, except they cost a lot more. Both are beyond the reach of average home owner today.
 
Solar energy shingles will be owned by individual home owners, not oil companies.

That's the difference.

Somebody will have to install this expensive technology correct? Most homeowners wouldn't be able to set up their home on Solar, after all correct? This means that somebody will make a pretty good living selling and maintaining this technology.
 
They'll be manufactured and serviced by the energy firms. And the lines back into the power grid they are connected to is also run by the energy firms. Same for domestic wind turbines, a MUCH more efficient mechanism in most parts of the country than solar panels, except they cost a lot more. Both are beyond the reach of average home owner today.
Not true. There's a entire little town running off of wind power.

Missouri Town Is Running On Vapor — And Thriving : NPR
 
Republicans are just gumming up the works. They are being obstructionists to protect oil and gas profits, plain and simple.



http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/13/opinion/13friedman.html?em

Both the wind and solar industries depend on these credits — which expire in December — to scale their businesses and become competitive with coal, oil and natural gas. Unlike offshore drilling, these credits could have an immediate impact on America’s energy profile.

Senator McCain did not show up for the crucial vote on July 30, and the renewable energy bill was defeated for the eighth time. In fact, John McCain has a perfect record on this renewable energy legislation. He has missed all eight votes over the last year — which effectively counts as a no vote each time. Once, he was even in the Senate and wouldn’t leave his office to vote.

“McCain did not show up on any votes,” said Scott Sklar, president of The Stella Group, which tracks clean-technology legislation. Despite that, McCain’s campaign commercial running during the Olympics shows a bunch of spinning wind turbines — the very wind turbines that he would not cast a vote to subsidize, even though he supports big subsidies for nuclear power.

Barack Obama did not vote on July 30 either — which is equally inexcusable in my book — but he did vote on three previous occasions in favor of the solar and wind credits.

The fact that Congress has failed eight times to renew them is largely because of a hard core of Republican senators who either don’t want to give Democrats such a victory in an election year or simply don’t believe in renewable energy.

What impact does this have? In the solar industry today there is a rush to finish any project that would be up and running by Dec. 31 — when the credits expire — and most everything beyond that is now on hold. Consider the Solana concentrated solar power plant, 70 miles southwest of Phoenix in McCain’s home state. It is the biggest proposed concentrating solar energy project ever. The farsighted local utility is ready to buy its power.

But because of the Senate’s refusal to extend the solar tax credits, “we cannot get our bank financing,” said Fred Morse, a senior adviser for the American operations of Abengoa Solar, which is building the project. “Without the credits, the numbers don’t work.” Some 2,000 construction jobs are on hold.

Roger Efird is president of Suntech America — a major Chinese-owned solar panel maker that actually wants to build a new factory in America. They’ve been scouting the country for sites, and several governors have been courting them. But Efird told me that when the solar credits failed to pass the Senate, his boss told him: “Don’t set up any more meetings with governors. It makes absolutely no sense to do this if we don’t have stability in the incentive programs.”
 
More Friedman:

Without taxing fossil fuels so they become more expensive and giving subsidies to renewable fuels so they become more competitive — and changing regulations so more people and companies have an interest in energy efficiency — we will not get innovation in clean power at the scale we need.

That is what this election should be focusing on. Everything else is just bogus rhetoric designed by cynical candidates who think Americans are so stupid — so bloody stupid — that if you just show them wind turbines in your Olympics ad they’ll actually think you showed up and voted for such renewable power — when you didn’t.

The GOP plays on American stupidity better than Democrats do
 
Not true. There's a entire little town running off of wind power.

Missouri Town Is Running On Vapor — And Thriving : NPR

Take a look at how many turbines they need to run that tiny little town, and then figure out how many square miles of Turbines we would need to even supply 25% of the nations electricity.

I posted a link on another thread that said you need 30 square miles of Wind turbines to replace on medium sized conventional power plant. Think about that for a min.

How much of the Nation would have to be covered in Wind turbines to power the Whole Nation? It simply is not a practical answer to our energy problems. It can be a good supplement to other sources, but it will NEVER be the answer.
 
Take a look at how many turbines they need to run that tiny little town, and then figure out how many square miles of Turbines we would need to even supply 25% of the nations electricity.

I posted a link on another thread that said you need 30 square miles of Wind turbines to replace on medium sized conventional power plant. Think about that for a min.

How much of the Nation would have to be covered in Wind turbines to power the Whole Nation? It simply is not a practical answer to our energy problems. It can be a good supplement to other sources, but it will NEVER be the answer.

i cant imagine anyone is talking about wind being the only solution. that is stupid. but it is a great supplement

and dont forget about offshore windfarms
 
Take a look at how many turbines they need to run that tiny little town, and then figure out how many square miles of Turbines we would need to even supply 25% of the nations electricity.

I posted a link on another thread that said you need 30 square miles of Wind turbines to replace on medium sized conventional power plant. Think about that for a min.

How much of the Nation would have to be covered in Wind turbines to power the Whole Nation? It simply is not a practical answer to our energy problems. It can be a good supplement to other sources, but it will NEVER be the answer.

No one ever said wind was the answer, but solar shingles and home wind turbines can decentralize the energy supply.

Skystream 3.7 Compact Wind Turbine and Wind Energy System
 

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