The End of the Christian Right

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Give it another 20 years, and they'll be as ineffectual in American politics as they are at controlling morality in the U.S.

Michael Kazin: The End Of The Christian Right | The New Republic

Key points...
the Christian Right is fighting a losing battle with the rest of the country—above all, when it comes to abortion and same-sex marriage, the issues they care most about. A strong majority of Americans backs abortion in the early months of a pregnancy.

Meanwhile, support for gay rights is rising, quite swiftly. Same-sex marriage tops fifty percent in some recent polls, and the remarkably placid response to New York’s recent legalization of the practice will make it easier for other states to follow suit. With over two-thirds of Americans now endorsing the end of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, the debate on that once controversial issue is now a matter for historians to analyze.


Put simply, the Christian Right is getting old. According to the largest and most recent study we have of American religion and politics, by Robert D. Putnam and David E. Campbell, almost twice as many people 18 to 29 confess to no faith at all as adhere to evangelical Protestantism. Young people who have attended college, a growing percentage of the population, are more secular still.

Last gasps of a dying subculture...
 
It really does trend toward an amoral degeneracy. Then it collapses. We won't be any different. We could try to hold it off, but eventually all great nations commit suicide.
 
It really does trend toward an amoral degeneracy. Then it collapses. We won't be any different. We could try to hold it off, but eventually all great nations commit suicide.

And by what means available to the federal government under the constitution, would you propose turning the tide of what you describe as amoral degeneracy? Remember that the first tenet of faith among your fellow Conservatives is smaller, less intrusive government.
 
The Founding Fathers must be rolling over in their graves when they see the left's slobbering hatred of Christianity today. As far as political history goes we thought communism was dead back in the 50's but the left managed to resuscitate the failed institution to the point that a socialist president hired a communist to serve on his jobs board. Wishful thinking won't make morality go away.
 
18 to 29 year olds almost always lose their faith. Always have.
It doesn't mean that Christianity is going away.
The majority turns around when they get older.
 
The Founding Fathers must be rolling over in their graves when they see the left's slobbering hatred of Christianity today. As far as political history goes we thought communism was dead back in the 50's but the left managed to resuscitate the failed institution to the point that a socialist president hired a communist to serve on his jobs board. Wishful thinking won't make morality go away.
Speaking as a Liberal and a Christian, I can say I don't hold a slobbering hatred of Christianity. I do have a concern that Puritanism might make a comeback and pillory folks for because they're homosexual and are seeking the same legal protections under contract law available to anyone who is heterosexual. I do have contempt for folks who have the temerity to legislate their narrow view of morality. We tried that in the 1920s and it failed.
 
It really does trend toward an amoral degeneracy. Then it collapses. We won't be any different. We could try to hold it off, but eventually all great nations commit suicide.

And by what means available to the federal government under the constitution, would you propose turning the tide of what you describe as amoral degeneracy? Remember that the first tenet of faith among your fellow Conservatives is smaller, less intrusive government.

Has it ever been stopped? No. Once a nation starts on the path of suicide by moral degeneracy it doesn't stop. It is overcome by a more moral, more robust people, even if that people are barbarians. Our choice is really islam or China. I would much prefer China.

John Adams said that the Constitution was written for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadquate for the use of any other. If that is a true statement, then the more amoral we become and the more we reject religion, the less adequate the Constitution is. The founding fathers knew that the Constitution would not last forever. That's why they warned against the actions that would render it less effective. They knew that Americans would one day reject the Constitution and vote in tyranny as more beneficial. We have come to that day.

While I would LIKE to see our country retain the values that we had that made is a great people, it's obvious that many, many people would much prefer what they believe is a kindly tyrant, but tyrant nonetheless.
 
the world trends long term in the liberal direction.

It always has

Not being a homophobe and being pro-choice doesn't mean you're ok with big debt, big gov't, big deficits and big taxes.





I'm a straight man for gay marriage, pro-choice, and our huge fiscally liberal gov't sickens me.
 
the world trends long term in the liberal direction.

It always has

Not being a homophobe and being pro-choice doesn't mean you're ok with big debt, big gov't, big deficits and big taxes.





I'm a straight man for gay marriage, pro-choice, and our huge fiscally liberal gov't sickens me.

There are many reasons not to support the country. What the reason IS, is far less important than the existence of many reasons. The people are divided, they do not support the values or goals of one another. This means the country is weak and will eventually have no choice but to collapse or be overtaken by another stronger ideal.
 
18 to 29 year olds almost always lose their faith. Always have.
It doesn't mean that Christianity is going away.
The majority turns around when they get older.

Really. Then there should be data which shows this trend. Feel free to post it.
 
the world trends long term in the liberal direction.

It always has

Not being a homophobe and being pro-choice doesn't mean you're ok with big debt, big gov't, big deficits and big taxes.





I'm a straight man for gay marriage, pro-choice, and our huge fiscally liberal gov't sickens me.

There are many reasons not to support the country. What the reason IS, is far less important than the existence of many reasons. The people are divided, they do not support the values or goals of one another. This means the country is weak and will eventually have no choice but to collapse or be overtaken by another stronger ideal.

What's that got to do with anything the OP said?
 
It really does trend toward an amoral degeneracy. Then it collapses. We won't be any different. We could try to hold it off, but eventually all great nations commit suicide.

And by what means available to the federal government under the constitution, would you propose turning the tide of what you describe as amoral degeneracy? Remember that the first tenet of faith among your fellow Conservatives is smaller, less intrusive government.

Has it ever been stopped? No. Once a nation starts on the path of suicide by moral degeneracy it doesn't stop. It is overcome by a more moral, more robust people, even if that people are barbarians. Our choice is really islam or China. I would much prefer China.

John Adams said that the Constitution was written for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadquate for the use of any other. If that is a true statement, then the more amoral we become and the more we reject religion, the less adequate the Constitution is. The founding fathers knew that the Constitution would not last forever. That's why they warned against the actions that would render it less effective. They knew that Americans would one day reject the Constitution and vote in tyranny as more beneficial. We have come to that day.

While I would LIKE to see our country retain the values that we had that made is a great people, it's obvious that many, many people would much prefer what they believe is a kindly tyrant, but tyrant nonetheless.

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"Feel the hate flow through you..."

Like I said, the last angry gasp of a dying subculture.
 
The nation no longer deserves to survive and it won't. Liberalim will be destroyed. It's just a question of who does it.
 
the world trends long term in the liberal direction.

It always has

Not being a homophobe and being pro-choice doesn't mean you're ok with big debt, big gov't, big deficits and big taxes.





I'm a straight man for gay marriage, pro-choice, and our huge fiscally liberal gov't sickens me.

There are many reasons not to support the country. What the reason IS, is far less important than the existence of many reasons. The people are divided, they do not support the values or goals of one another. This means the country is weak and will eventually have no choice but to collapse or be overtaken by another stronger ideal.

A call to conformity? Really? We all have to hold the same values in order to be a viavble country? That's right out of the Taliban playbook, nes pas?
 

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