The Employee Free Choice Act.....

[Life_Long_Dem!]

are you for it or against it and why?

 

[doeton]

the story of the golden egg...

with full credit to bloodsucking chick

 

[driveby]

It sucks ...

Obama likes to use the term "catastrophe", this would be a catastrophe for businesses......

 

[Patriot2009]

It sucks ...

Obama likes to use the term "catastrophe", this would be a catastrophe for businesses......

It was inevitable that some pro-business folk who don’t have a clue would parrot this tired excuse for corporate greed. The same whining is heard from them on the unions issue, minimum wage, employee health benefits and right on down the line.

And this, while the corporate big-wigs fly to Congressional hearings in their 30 million dollar luxury jets!

What this law will do is bring the playing field back up level after the decades of anti-worker laws and regulations that have been passed since the Reagan years that tilted all the power and influence to the corporations.

It’s about time!!!

 

[driveby]

It sucks ...

Obama likes to use the term "catastrophe", this would be a catastrophe for businesses......

It was inevitable that some pro-business folk who don’t have a clue would parrot this tired excuse for corporate greed. The same whining is heard from them on the unions issue, minimum wage, employee health benefits and right on down the line.

And this, while the corporate big-wigs fly to Congressional hearings in their 30 million dollar luxury jets!

What this law will do is bring the playing field back up level after the decades of anti-worker laws and regulations that have been passed since the Reagan years that tilted all the power and influence to the corporations.

It’s about time!!!

What playing field will be leveled ?

Ahhh, the playing field that doesn't have any fucking jobs, sooper ......

 

[Life_Long_Dem!]

unions are bad and evil...workers have no rights and deserve none...is that how it is?...

 

[doeton]

somewhere in the middle...

 

[Life_Long_Dem!]

somewhere in the middle??? okie dokie smokie........unions are not evil ...people need to get past this jimmy hoffa mentality and realize this. Just because we blue collar working folk want decent pay.....more than the measley 7.30 an hour minimum wage we have in Ohio and want decent health care that we can afford and to not be fucked in the ass by greedy ceo's who wont give up 1 of their 5 houses or 16 bentleys...its not a bad thing at all

 

[Patriot2009]

It sucks ...

Obama likes to use the term "catastrophe", this would be a catastrophe for businesses......

It was inevitable that some pro-business folk who don’t have a clue would parrot this tired excuse for corporate greed. The same whining is heard from them on the unions issue, minimum wage, employee health benefits and right on down the line.

And this, while the corporate big-wigs fly to Congressional hearings in their 30 million dollar luxury jets!

What this law will do is bring the playing field back up level after the decades of anti-worker laws and regulations that have been passed since the Reagan years that tilted all the power and influence to the corporations.

It’s about time!!!

What playing field will be leveled ?

Ahhh, the playing field that doesn't have any fucking jobs, sooper ......

Blah! Blah! Blah!

The fact of the matter is that when the unions were at their zenith jobs were not in short supply. By, the Reagan years, they had declined due to a number of factors, not the least of which was leadership apathy and public animosity.

Then, through a series of legislative changes and bureaucratic rule interpretations the unions began a precipitous decline to where we now see the unions comprising less than 10% of the private work force. All that this law will do is allow workers to choose unions without the systematic intimidation and retaliation that employers engage in when they fight a unionization campaign.

If you really believe that if unions are allowed this kind of election regulation jobs will be lost as a direct result, kindly enlighten us with some kind of real evidence. And, I’m not talking about some corporate propaganda piece.

 

[Xenophon]

Oppose.

No secret ballot and binding GOVERNMENT arbitration?

Just say no to more big brother gov.

 

[driveby]

It was inevitable that some pro-business folk who don’t have a clue would parrot this tired excuse for corporate greed. The same whining is heard from them on the unions issue, minimum wage, employee health benefits and right on down the line.

And this, while the corporate big-wigs fly to Congressional hearings in their 30 million dollar luxury jets!

What this law will do is bring the playing field back up level after the decades of anti-worker laws and regulations that have been passed since the Reagan years that tilted all the power and influence to the corporations.

It’s about time!!!

What playing field will be leveled ?

Ahhh, the playing field that doesn't have any fucking jobs, sooper ......

Blah! Blah! Blah!

The fact of the matter is that when the unions were at their zenith jobs were not in short supply. By, the Reagan years, they had declined due to a number of factors, not the least of which was leadership apathy and public animosity.

Then, through a series of legislative changes and bureaucratic rule interpretations the unions began a precipitous decline to where we now see the unions comprising less than 10% of the private work force. All that this law will do is allow workers to choose unions without the systematic intimidation and retaliation that employers engage in when they fight a unionization campaign.

If you really believe that if unions are allowed this kind of election regulation jobs will be lost as a direct result, kindly enlighten us with some kind of real evidence. And, I’m not talking about some corporate propaganda piece.

Ok, i'll give you some REAL WORLD evidence, not like some link you wingnuts find on a google search.

I'm an operations manager of a mid size company. The division i oversee has 23 field employees. These guys make a range of $50,000 to $80,000 per year for UNSKILLED labor. They have also have a full benefits package ( health, paid holidays, vacations, 3 paid sick days per year, etc...). A lot of them being the sole bread winner for their families. Let's say one day one of these union organizers fill a few of these guys heads with a lot of B.S. ( and make no mistake, thats what these organizers do). The company doesn't even get to tell their side of the story ( which i bet you didn't even know about this bill ). Then guess what happens ? The union muscles its way in, makes up a bunch of stupid rules (which the union will label as "rights") that doesn't allow us to operate the company efficiently enough to pay these guys the high salary that we pay them without the company losing money. Then one of two things happen:

A) The company goes out of business and all of these people lose their very well paying jobs along with the management, administrative personnel, etc...

or much more likely

B) The company gets rid of its field employees and does the work with sub contractors.


Now what good will this act do again ?

 

[driveby]

Oppose.

No secret ballot and binding GOVERNMENT arbitration?

Just say no to more big brother gov.

Exactly, a government arbritator is going to tell me how to run my company ? no thanks

 

[KittenKoder]

I say this:

Get government out of business. In reality if the business doesn't pay their employees well they should all quit or strike. The business will either find other workers if they are actually paying well and the workers are just stuck on stupid, or will fail because they won't find replacements if they are not. Businesses are also benefiting more by these regulations than people think. Corporations that put out bad quality products and don't pay their labor well should fail, they don't though because people think they need these products. Here's a clue, you don't need to buy them, none of the products are required for life. Anyone can learn to hunt or farm, it's not as hard as you think, so you can live without them. So if you disagree with the way a company runs stop using it.

 

[garyd]

If the secret ballot is good enough for voting for president why should it not be good enough for unions?

If you think most unions aren't every bit as corrupt now as theyw ere fifty years ago you're kidding yourself.

 

[manu1959]

i am curious.....why are blue collar workers too stupid to negotiate their own salary and benifits......

why do they turn over their rights and power to an elite group of union bosses that belong to the same clubs as the ceo's....live in the same neighborhoods and drive the same cars.....

 

[jillian]

i am curious.....why are blue collar workers too stupid to negotiate their own salary and benifits......

why do they turn over their rights and power to an elite group of union bosses that belong to the same clubs as the ceo's....live in the same neighborhoods and drive the same cars.....

it's not about "stupid". it's about POWERLESS. You know what corporate management says to workers who ask for a living wage when there's no union protection? If history taught us anything, they say "go screw yourself. someone else will do the job cheaper".

and people would rather make garbage money under garbage conditions than not have money for food.

A better question is why do blue collar workers vote against their own self-interest and buy into corporatist lies?

 

[garyd]

Interesting question Manu. I wish I had an answer.

 

[elvis]

i am curious.....why are blue collar workers too stupid to negotiate their own salary and benifits......

why do they turn over their rights and power to an elite group of union bosses that belong to the same clubs as the ceo's....live in the same neighborhoods and drive the same cars.....

it's not about "stupid". it's about POWERLESS. You know what corporate management says to workers who ask for a living wage when there's no union protection? If history taught us anything, they say "go screw yourself. someone else will do the job cheaper".

and people would rather make garbage money under garbage conditions than not have money for food.

A better question is why do blue collar workers vote against their own self-interest and buy into corporatist lies?

What choice do they have? Obama and McCain are both free-trade, which translates into more jobs going to China whenever unions start flexing their muscles. How can blue collar workers get decent wages when the companies can move the company to China and pay them a dollar an hour (or less)?

 

[KittenKoder]

i am curious.....why are blue collar workers too stupid to negotiate their own salary and benifits......

why do they turn over their rights and power to an elite group of union bosses that belong to the same clubs as the ceo's....live in the same neighborhoods and drive the same cars.....

The problem is the smart ones just keep getting promoted ... how evil of them for it to.

Oh, and it's worse than that, they are too stupid to stand up against the people who pay them at all.

 

[garyd]

Oh for pity sake. You get paid about twice or more what you see on your check. That's why you don't have enough money to get by on if you are a blue collar worker.

You don't like the job you've got find another one. If you don't have any skills acquire some. If you expect people to pay you big money to do something that the mentally challenged can be trained to do in fifteen minutes you're kidding yourself.