The effects so far of global warming

No, you are the moron.

I live in Va. Beach, not Lynchburg!

And it was 1987 or 86 somewhere in there, so it was probably more like 22 years.

And we never have snow or winters like we used to here.

It hasn't come close to 0 degrees here in a long while.

Right, because Lynchburg and Virginia Beach are like 3,000 miles apart numbnuts .......:cuckoo:

P.S. The record high temp in Va. Beach was 103 degrees in 1957....... :lol:
 
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And all we can say for certain is that CO2 has had absolutely nothing to do with any of the OP.
 
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Chris's secret invasion plans! Bring back the Glaciers!
 
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Seems it also has the effect of making scientists want to fake evidence, browbeat publications that give equal time to opposing POV, destroy contrary evidence and evade FOIA laws.

The ice caps are melting, the glaciers are melting, and the temperatures are rising.

That is the evidence.

And the winters here in Virginia are radically different than they were 25 years ago. I remember a Super Bowl Sunday when it was 0 degrees. We never see weather like that anymore.

Summer is so convenient for melting ice. :lol:
 
Seems it also has the effect of making scientists want to fake evidence, browbeat publications that give equal time to opposing POV, destroy contrary evidence and evade FOIA laws.

The ice caps are melting, the glaciers are melting, and the temperatures are rising.

That is the evidence.

And the winters here in Virginia are radically different than they were 25 years ago. I remember a Super Bowl Sunday when it was 0 degrees. We never see weather like that anymore.

Summer is so convenient for melting ice. :lol:

Which has nothing to do with what I said.

It's 64 degrees here today by the way.
 
And all we can say for certain is that CO2 has had absolutely nothing to do with any of the OP.

What's this we stuff? I saw this experiment once with CO2 in an enclosed environment.....
 
The ice caps are melting, the glaciers are melting, and the temperatures are rising.

That is the evidence.

And the winters here in Virginia are radically different than they were 25 years ago. I remember a Super Bowl Sunday when it was 0 degrees. We never see weather like that anymore.

Summer is so convenient for melting ice. :lol:

Which has nothing to do with what I said.

It's 64 degrees here today by the way.

So? It's 67 here. What's your point?
 
No, you are the moron.

I live in Va. Beach, not Lynchburg!

And it was 1987 or 86 somewhere in there, so it was probably more like 22 years.

And we never have snow or winters like we used to here.

It hasn't come close to 0 degrees here in a long while.

Right, because Lynchburg and Virginia Beach are like 3,000 miles apart numbnuts .......:cuckoo:

P.S. The record high temp in Va. Beach was 103 degrees in 1957....... :lol:
Funny though, he can tell me what the weather has been like in the Rockies the last few years. :rolleyes:
 
No, you are the moron.

I live in Va. Beach, not Lynchburg!

And it was 1987 or 86 somewhere in there, so it was probably more like 22 years.

And we never have snow or winters like we used to here.

It hasn't come close to 0 degrees here in a long while.

Right, because Lynchburg and Virginia Beach are like 3,000 miles apart numbnuts .......:cuckoo:

P.S. The record high temp in Va. Beach was 103 degrees in 1957....... :lol:


Chris has been exposed for his complete stupidity and dishonesty regarding this subject.

He brings up localized weather as some form of proof for global warming, and yet, he is then given proof that the average temps for Virginia last winter were actually cooler than winters decades past. In response to that he replies he does not live in Richmond Virginia but rather he lives around Virginia Beach - so therefore, the temperature data of Richmond has little bearing on weather conditions at Virginia Beach - guess that 100 miles difference is terribly significant in Chris's little mind.

Ok Chris, how about we take a look at Norfolk Virginia temperature data shall we - that is just a stone's throw from Virginia Beach and like Richmond, has a longer-term temperature data that can be obtained from Weather Underground.

We shall once again utilize the dates of December 15 - March 3rd. Such a time period gives us a good generalized idea of what the average winter temps were for the area for each season, and we shall simply jump back every ten years from the starting period of last winter. Temps shown will be the average daily mean temperature over that roughly
3- month time period.

2008-2009: 42 Degrees

1998-1999: 45 Degrees (Ouch! Winter ten years ago was a lot warmer than last year)

1988-1989: 44 Degrees (Ah man, winter 20 years ago was warmer than last year)

1978-1979: 38 Degrees (Ah-Hah! Colder winter season than last year - finally!)

1968-1969: 40 Degrees (Hey - winter 40 years ago was cooler than last year too...)

1958-1959: 41 Degrees (Uh -Oh, winter 50 years ago only a little colder than last year)

1948-1949: 45 Degrees (What the hell???? Winter 60 years ago was a lot warmer???)


Now if take these seven winter seasons that go back 60 years in your area Chris, we come up with an average daily winter season temperature of 41.14 degrees. (It is also interesting to note that the 30 years when winter temperature averages were in decine in Norfolk culminating in the low temps of the 1970s era was the same time when scientists were warning of global cooling due to pollution. That cooling was of course reversed, as was these scientist who simply changed gears and started warning of global warming...)

That means that the recent winters you are coming on here and stating as being much warmer than historical winters for the area is absolutely incorrect. In fact, last year's winter was slightly cooler than the historical winter average for Norfolk over the last 60 years. If global warming was real - this would not be the case.

Your premise is wrong - you are wrong.




-Data taken from WeatherUnderground-

History : Weather Underground
 
No, you are the moron.

I live in Va. Beach, not Lynchburg!

And it was 1987 or 86 somewhere in there, so it was probably more like 22 years.

And we never have snow or winters like we used to here.

It hasn't come close to 0 degrees here in a long while.

Right, because Lynchburg and Virginia Beach are like 3,000 miles apart numbnuts .......:cuckoo:

P.S. The record high temp in Va. Beach was 103 degrees in 1957....... :lol:


Chris has been exposed for his complete stupidity and dishonesty regarding this subject.

He brings up localized weather as some form of proof for global warming, and yet, he is then given proof that the average temps for Virginia last winter were actually cooler than winters decades past. In response to that he replies he does not live in Richmond Virginia but rather he lives around Virginia Beach - so therefore, the temperature data of Richmond has little bearing on weather conditions at Virginia Beach - guess that 100 miles difference is terribly significant in Chris's little mind.

Ok Chris, how about we take a look at Norfolk Virginia temperature data shall we - that is just a stone's throw from Virginia Beach and like Richmond, has a longer-term temperature data that can be obtained from Weather Underground.

We shall once again utilize the dates of December 15 - March 3rd. Such a time period gives us a good generalized idea of what the average winter temps were for the area for each season, and we shall simply jump back every ten years from the starting period of last winter. Temps shown will be the average daily mean temperature over that roughly
3- month time period.

2008-2009: 42 Degrees

1998-1999: 45 Degrees (Ouch! Winter ten years ago was a lot warmer than last year)

1988-1989: 44 Degrees (Ah man, winter 20 years ago was warmer than last year)

1978-1979: 38 Degrees (Ah-Hah! Colder winter season than last year - finally!)

1968-1969: 40 Degrees (Hey - winter 40 years ago was cooler than last year too...)

1958-1959: 41 Degrees (Uh -Oh, winter 50 years ago only a little colder than last year)

1948-1949: 45 Degrees (What the hell???? Winter 60 years ago was a lot warmer???)


Now if take these seven winter seasons that go back 60 years in your area Chris, we come up with an average daily winter season temperature of 41.14 degrees. (It is also interesting to note that the 30 years when winter temperature averages were in decine in Norfolk culminating in the low temps of the 1970s era was the same time when scientists were warning of global cooling due to pollution. That cooling was of course reversed, as was these scientist who simply changed gears and started warning of global warming...)

That means that the recent winters you are coming on here and stating as being much warmer than historical winters for the area is absolutely incorrect. In fact, last year's winter was slightly cooler than the historical winter average for Norfolk over the last 60 years. If global warming was real - this would not be the case.

Your premise is wrong - you are wrong.




-Data taken from WeatherUnderground-

History : Weather Underground

And didja ever notice that when a LOCAL forecast is given in communities that have a coast? They tell you it will be "slightly warmer" along the coast?

I've been hearing it my entire life...
 
Right, because Lynchburg and Virginia Beach are like 3,000 miles apart numbnuts .......:cuckoo:

P.S. The record high temp in Va. Beach was 103 degrees in 1957....... :lol:


Chris has been exposed for his complete stupidity and dishonesty regarding this subject.

He brings up localized weather as some form of proof for global warming, and yet, he is then given proof that the average temps for Virginia last winter were actually cooler than winters decades past. In response to that he replies he does not live in Richmond Virginia but rather he lives around Virginia Beach - so therefore, the temperature data of Richmond has little bearing on weather conditions at Virginia Beach - guess that 100 miles difference is terribly significant in Chris's little mind.

Ok Chris, how about we take a look at Norfolk Virginia temperature data shall we - that is just a stone's throw from Virginia Beach and like Richmond, has a longer-term temperature data that can be obtained from Weather Underground.

We shall once again utilize the dates of December 15 - March 3rd. Such a time period gives us a good generalized idea of what the average winter temps were for the area for each season, and we shall simply jump back every ten years from the starting period of last winter. Temps shown will be the average daily mean temperature over that roughly
3- month time period.

2008-2009: 42 Degrees

1998-1999: 45 Degrees (Ouch! Winter ten years ago was a lot warmer than last year)

1988-1989: 44 Degrees (Ah man, winter 20 years ago was warmer than last year)

1978-1979: 38 Degrees (Ah-Hah! Colder winter season than last year - finally!)

1968-1969: 40 Degrees (Hey - winter 40 years ago was cooler than last year too...)

1958-1959: 41 Degrees (Uh -Oh, winter 50 years ago only a little colder than last year)

1948-1949: 45 Degrees (What the hell???? Winter 60 years ago was a lot warmer???)


Now if take these seven winter seasons that go back 60 years in your area Chris, we come up with an average daily winter season temperature of 41.14 degrees. (It is also interesting to note that the 30 years when winter temperature averages were in decine in Norfolk culminating in the low temps of the 1970s era was the same time when scientists were warning of global cooling due to pollution. That cooling was of course reversed, as was these scientist who simply changed gears and started warning of global warming...)

That means that the recent winters you are coming on here and stating as being much warmer than historical winters for the area is absolutely incorrect. In fact, last year's winter was slightly cooler than the historical winter average for Norfolk over the last 60 years. If global warming was real - this would not be the case.

Your premise is wrong - you are wrong.




-Data taken from WeatherUnderground-

History : Weather Underground

And didja ever notice that when a LOCAL forecast is given in communities that have a coast? They tell you it will be "slightly warmer" along the coast?

I've been hearing it my entire life...
Along the Great Lakes, they call that 'Lake Effect". It will be cooler in the summer, warmer in the winter, and always more snowy. This is because large bodies of water are heat sinks and will affect the air above it accordingly. The affect, depending on winds and other climatological factors can go inland up to 10 miles easily and affect everything from temperatures to precipitation. The biggest effect is that they almost always moderate the temperatures away from extremes.
 
Chris has been exposed for his complete stupidity and dishonesty regarding this subject.

He brings up localized weather as some form of proof for global warming, and yet, he is then given proof that the average temps for Virginia last winter were actually cooler than winters decades past. In response to that he replies he does not live in Richmond Virginia but rather he lives around Virginia Beach - so therefore, the temperature data of Richmond has little bearing on weather conditions at Virginia Beach - guess that 100 miles difference is terribly significant in Chris's little mind.

Ok Chris, how about we take a look at Norfolk Virginia temperature data shall we - that is just a stone's throw from Virginia Beach and like Richmond, has a longer-term temperature data that can be obtained from Weather Underground.

We shall once again utilize the dates of December 15 - March 3rd. Such a time period gives us a good generalized idea of what the average winter temps were for the area for each season, and we shall simply jump back every ten years from the starting period of last winter. Temps shown will be the average daily mean temperature over that roughly
3- month time period.

2008-2009: 42 Degrees

1998-1999: 45 Degrees (Ouch! Winter ten years ago was a lot warmer than last year)

1988-1989: 44 Degrees (Ah man, winter 20 years ago was warmer than last year)

1978-1979: 38 Degrees (Ah-Hah! Colder winter season than last year - finally!)

1968-1969: 40 Degrees (Hey - winter 40 years ago was cooler than last year too...)

1958-1959: 41 Degrees (Uh -Oh, winter 50 years ago only a little colder than last year)

1948-1949: 45 Degrees (What the hell???? Winter 60 years ago was a lot warmer???)


Now if take these seven winter seasons that go back 60 years in your area Chris, we come up with an average daily winter season temperature of 41.14 degrees. (It is also interesting to note that the 30 years when winter temperature averages were in decine in Norfolk culminating in the low temps of the 1970s era was the same time when scientists were warning of global cooling due to pollution. That cooling was of course reversed, as was these scientist who simply changed gears and started warning of global warming...)

That means that the recent winters you are coming on here and stating as being much warmer than historical winters for the area is absolutely incorrect. In fact, last year's winter was slightly cooler than the historical winter average for Norfolk over the last 60 years. If global warming was real - this would not be the case.

Your premise is wrong - you are wrong.




-Data taken from WeatherUnderground-

History : Weather Underground

And didja ever notice that when a LOCAL forecast is given in communities that have a coast? They tell you it will be "slightly warmer" along the coast?

I've been hearing it my entire life...
Along the Great Lakes, they call that 'Lake Effect". It will be cooler in the summer, warmer in the winter, and always more snowy. This is because large bodies of water are heat sinks and will affect the air above it accordingly. The affect, depending on winds and other climatological factors can go inland up to 10 miles easily and affect everything from temperatures to precipitation. The biggest effect is that they almost always moderate the temperatures away from extremes.

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http://www.ccrc.unsw.edu.au/Copenhagen/Copenhagen_Diagnosis_LOW.pdf

The September Arctic sea ice extent over the last several decades
has decreased at a rate of 11.1 ± 3.3%/decade (NSIDC 2009).
This dramatic retreat has been much faster than that simulated
by any of the climate models assessed in the IPCC AR4 (Figure
13). This is likely due to a combination of several model
deficiencies, including: 1) incomplete representation of ice albedo
physics, including the treatment of melt ponds (e.g., Pedersen
et al. 2009) and the deposition of black carbon (e.g. Flanner et
al. 2007; Ramanathan and Carmichael 2008); and 2) incomplete
representation of the physics of vertical and horizontal mixing in
the ocean (e.g. Arzel et al. 2006). Winter Arctic sea ice extent
has also decreased since 1979, but at a slower rate than in
summer. The February extent has decreased at a rate of 2.9 ±
0.8%/decade (NSIDC 2009).
The thickness of Arctic sea ice has also been on a steady decline
over the last several decades. For example, Lindsay et al. (2009)
estimated that the September sea ice thickness has been
decreasing at a rate of 57 centimeters per decade since 1987.
Similar decreases in sea-ice thickness have been detected in
winter. For example, within the area covered by submarine sonar
measurements, Kwok and Rothrock (2009) show that the overall
mean winter thickness of 3.64 meters in 1980 decreased to only
1.89 meters by 2008 — a net decrease of 1.75 meters, or 48%.
By the end of February 2009, less than 10% of Arctic sea ice was
more than two years old, down from the historic values of 30%.
 
http://www.ccrc.unsw.edu.au/Copenhagen/Copenhagen_Diagnosis_LOW.pdf

❏❏ Global carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions from fossil fuel burning in 2008 were 40% higher
than those in 1990, with a three-fold acceleration over the past 18 years.
❏❏ Global CO2 emissions from fossil fuel burning are tracking near the highest scenarios
considered so far by the IPCC.
❏❏ The fraction of CO2 emissions absorbed by the land and ocean CO2 reservoirs has likely
decreased by ~5% (from 60 to 55%) in the past 50 years, though interannual variability is
large.
 
And the Vikings (the Scandinavian ones, not the dudes in purple) raised cattle on Greenland, during medieval times....So what?
Pointed that out to them in another thread. In one ear, out the other with nary the danger of striking a braincell. Just the mucus plugs on both sides.
 
So the idiocy of trying to raise animals that destroyed the very resources that they depended on was one of the factors that doomed the Greenland Colonies.


http://www.iupui.edu/~geni/documents/Vikings_in_Greenland-An_Overview.doc

Factor Five: Faulty social values. Culture and values significantly affect a society’s ability to adapt and respond to change. Greenland Norse trash middens (like today’s land fills) indicate a surprising lack of fish and ringed seal bones, two food sources that were abundant during the Viking demise. Many Viking bones indicate that near the demise of the population, the Greenlanders were severely malnourished amidst abundant un-utilized food sources. It appears that the Norse did not adapt hunting methods used by the more successful Inuit that would have enabled them to kill whales and ringed seals, both abundant during this cool period. Of course the Greenland Norse had already doomed themselves when their violent ways destroyed relations with the Inuit (a valuable resource) at the outset. In addition Diamond asserts that the Greenland Norse developed some sort of taboo against eating fish, suicidal in hindsight. Perhaps the Greenlanders scorned the pagan skraelings as unworthy of teaching them anything important like how to build umiaqs (kayaks) or hunt ringed seals. Norse farming practices were successful nearly everywhere the Vikings settled except in Greenland. The Greenland Norse were unable to give up their preference for livestock. Perhaps even when the adverse affects of environmental degradation went ignored, it is just as likely the “writing on the wall” was ignored as individuals competed with each other for increasingly scarce resources. Lastly, it is theorized that supporting a social class system tied to the Christian church spelled doom as scarce Greenland resources were traded to support the import of luxury items for the church and the wealthiest families.

People like yourself seem bent on the same thing today.
 

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