The Economics of Immigration Are Not What You Think

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    I was going to start a thread called, "Illegal Immigration, Republicans and Unintended Consequences", but I can see that you already did.

    I've spent the last couple of hours looking for info on the cost vs benefits to agriculture and other areas of the economy. There is very little data.

    The concern I have is to make dramatic changes without any data.

    We've seen the effects of "unintended consequences" and Iraq is a "perfect" example. The war was supposed to cost only 200 billion dollars, the people will greet us with "open arms", their oil would pay for the war, we would install a "stable democracy" that would be "friendly" to the US.

    Instead, the war cost 3 trillion, we have signed contracts and treaties that forces us to bear the entire cost of rebuilding Iraq, the people made a "national hero" out of the guy that threw his shoes at our president, more than 4,000 Americans dead and 47,000 injured and maimed, and their constitution makes "Islam" the national religion and says all legislation to be based in Islam, women back in Burk as, the Christian population scattered or dead, and Iran is now the strongest country in the Middle East.

    Those are called "unintended consequences", when things don't go according the the "script" written by Republican "elitist" intellectuals and thinkers.

    From the report listed above, nearly 40% of illegals are white. Republicans don't seemed to be too concerned with them.
    So what are the possible "unintended consequences" of this "war on the brown illegals"?
     
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    It's WAY more simpler than that wordy disclaimer. Fact is, they suck off of a social infrastructure they don't pay into. Trying to make it sound any more complicated than THAT is just smoke and mirrors.

    I've worked around them for 10 years. They pack up like rats in the smallest apartment they can rent, work for cash, and send it home. Yet, if one of them is hurt, they can't be denied medical care.

    Why do you think medical insurance is so high? Obama wants to fix it with some socialist solution instead of looking at the reasons. WE, the taxpaying public, foot the bill for the uninsured. While not all uninsured are illegals, all illegals ARE uninsured.

    If a woman drops a baby this side of the border, we, the taxpayers, have to support that child AND his illegal mother to age 18.

    This has nothing to do with politics. It's common sense, cause and effect.

    Some people just don't want to look at the truth.
     
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    I've yet to see a credible comparison that shows either way if they cost more or contribute more.

    But excellent demonization, Gunny. Rats...that sounds familiar somehow.

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    What do you call "credible"? Something that supports your views.

    I live it and in it every day. Where do you think the largest city closest to the Texas/Mexico border is? Oh ... I only live in it.:rolleyes:

    Then there's the fact I do commercial construction which is where most illegals in this area ply their trades. Probably a split between that and agriculture.

    Who have I demonized? I stated the obvious to ANYONE that looks at the facts. of course, I've never forgotten you think the "Golden Rule" means you have a right to tell me what I have to do with my money.:rolleyes:

    Does Romper Room have a message board where you can post amongst your peers?:eusa_whistle:
     
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    illegal is illegal. I don't care if they are purple or green. ALL illegals need to be given the boot.




    An interesting side note to unintended consequences in terms of the cheap labor that I see all of the time.

    When you see knots of men, arms outstretched looking for work at places like the home depot or paint stores, the are interestingly enough mexican. I give them credit for their moxie and willingness to work. (that does not change my opinion of illegals needing to go home)

    What is VERY interesting to me is what you DON'T see out there hustings for work. What you DONT see in the fields. What you don't see as dishwashers or maids.

    Where are all of these people with signs "will work or food"? Where are all of these whining welfare slugs trying to hustle for a job? I never see street bum's in those groups wanting to work.

    To be blunt I don't see whites or blacks out there hustings for work.

    A novel question, why aren't any of these people out there willing to work? Have we made institutional welfare such a great deal that working for a living is to far beneath their standards?

    Could it be that the unintended consequences are the fault of lazy americans who would prefer not to work and get a check every month free of charge?

    Could it be that the unintended consequences are the direct result of the welfare system.

     
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    If you make these assertions without any "evidence", then people think you are a flaming, lying asshole.

    for instance:

    If a woman drops a baby this side of the border, we, the taxpayers, have to support that child AND his illegal mother to age 18.

    Federal law says that if an illegal is residing in a household, then that the household is NOT eligible for either food stamps or welfare and federal employees must report them. I previously posted a link to this law. Where are your links? If you can provide a link proving that illegals can receive welfare and food stamps, then people will know you are NOT a flaming, lying asshole.

    Why do you think medical insurance is so high?

    It's high because health care companies have been deregulated. Add the fact that CEO's make tens of millions of dollars. A perfect example is Cigna, 5 of it's executives are among the top 50 highest paid executives in the US. The company has two private jets wholly owned. Cigna makes ALL of it's money from skimming off the insurance policies of the people who pay Cigna for coverage. They are famous for dropping the policies of people who get sick. Sick people don't bring in money.

    Life Insurance Company Of North America (CIGNA) wrongfully denies disability benefits to a Kentucky repairman

    I was injured in an accident and am right now unable to walk while I await reconstructive surgery on my back. I have a disability insurance policy through Cigna and I applied for benefits but they denied my claim for short-term disability benefits. What can I do about this Cigna disability denial? Can I sue Cigna for denying my disability? I have had the policy for years and I thought I was protected.

    How do I appeal a denied cigna disability claim? | DisabilityLawyers.com

    After a "Good Morning America" Gets Answers story in April about a breast cancer survivor's battle to get disability insurance benefits from Cigna Group Insurance, we received a flood of e-mails from viewers who were struggling with similar problems.

    Denied: Fighting For Insurance Coverage - ABC News

    ------There are many stories from that one insurance company. Why do those on the right defend these institutions? Why?

    Many Americans use he emergency room as their only source of health care. Stopping that was one of the reasons behind the HCB. Hispanics aren't the only ones. As noted above, nearly 40% of illegals are white and coming from Europe. What about them?
     
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    It's not that easy to get welfare. There is a vast difference between what people imagine and what is.

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    When you get a real argument, come on back. As usual our Rdone.:lol:
     
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    In CA it is very easy to get welfare. I am not speaking of illegals on welfare. I am speaking of lazy slug americans on welfare not out there hustling looking for or WANTING to work.

    What would happen if all of those looking for a government hand out were given one of these "illegals" jobs. The employer still paying the low wage and the government only covering the difference to amount to minimum wage. Trust me I am very for this idea. I am tried of everyone whining about the illegals "taking" jobs, when the truth is the welfare system has made lazy slugs out of americans.

     

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