The downside of carrying a firearm...

[rightwinger]

As much as the gun nuts love to bring up cases where an armed citizen prevented a crime, they go into a frenzy when a case comes up where an armed citizen causes an unnecessary death that could have been avoided if firearms were not in the equation

We need a sensible discussion of firearms in this country. It is not always all good or all bad

There are many cases where having arms available saves lives. Prevent crimes and protect the innocent
There are also many cases in which an armed citizen uses it in domestic violence, road rage or suicide

But we are not allowed to discuss the role of guns in our society....NRA has made sure of that

 

[9thIDdoc]

Both are subject to legal constraints

Neither is absolute...What's so hard to understand about that?

Some legal constraints, yes. But not to the point of infringement with arms. Not so cars.

Never kick an old dog
He might have one bite left
-----------------
Robert Heinlein

Reasonable infringement has alway been allowed. Felons can't buy guns. You can't buy a machine gun. You can't buy armor piercing bullets. You can't carry a gun onto an airplane

Reasonable regulation; not iinfringement which is expressly forbidden. And, except for felons buying guns, your examples are untrue.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed

Exactly.

Damned pesky militias

Militia's or ok, those comma's drive liberals nuts though.

Thomas Jefferson spoke to the topic directly with his comment,


“No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.” Jefferson’s justifications for his statement are found in comments like “when the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty,” and “force is the vital principle and immediate parent of despotism.”

Jefferson also wrote,


“For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so, a well-organized and armed militia is their best security.” He expounded on his point when he stated “the strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”

John Adams was rather direct when he stated the following:


“Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion… in private self-defense,” and even more controversial and bold when he offered “the right of a nation to kill a tyrant in case of necessity can no more be doubted than to hang a robber, or kill a flea.”

Thomas Paine told us:


Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property… Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them.”

George Washington said:


“The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference – they deserve a place of honor with all that’s good.” Then he seemingly justified his belief with the statement “it will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.”

James Madison went right to the point of the current debate when he observed:


“Americans have the right and advantage of being armed – unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.” Then he made sure to warn us as to why the first statement is needed when he argued “A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained in arms, is the best most natural defense of a free country.”

Samuel Adams told us:


“The Constitution shall never be construed… to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms.”

Patrick Henry said:


“Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined.” And to see the first statement not come true Henry said “The great object is that every man be armed.”

 

[martybegan]

The 2nd amendment was about protecting Americans from redcoats and indians. Since neither is now a threat, the 2nd amendment is now obsolete.

Then get it repealed. Until then go pound sand.

Can't get it repealed, The NRA has the US by the balls and is squeezing much too hard.

Well it looks like pounding sand is your only option then.

 

[Bumberclyde]

Very true.....

Our society is suffering from the Gubmint gunning down 13,000 Americans a year

The 2nd amendment was about protecting Americans from redcoats and indians. Since neither is now a threat, the 2nd amendment is now obsolete.

wrong:

"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." -Thomas Jefferson



The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.-Thomas Jefferson

Stop living in the past. Got a real reason that's valid for today's world?

 

[Defiant1]

The 2nd amendment was about protecting Americans from redcoats and indians. Since neither is now a threat, the 2nd amendment is now obsolete.

wrong:

"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." -Thomas Jefferson



The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.-Thomas Jefferson

Stop living in the past. Got a real reason that's valid for today's world?

It's as valid today as it was then.

Some would say even more so, today.

 

[Bumberclyde]

Then get it repealed. Until then go pound sand.

Can't get it repealed, The NRA has the US by the balls and is squeezing much too hard.

Well it looks like pounding sand is your only option then.

I wouldn't live in a gun crazy country, so please keep shooting each other if that's what you all prefer. I was just trying to help by adding some common sense to the debate. Obviously, you prefer more dead people than less, which makes you possibly insane. Please see a mental health specialist.

 

[Bumberclyde]

wrong:

"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." -Thomas Jefferson



The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.-Thomas Jefferson

Stop living in the past. Got a real reason that's valid for today's world?

It's as valid today as it was then.

Some would say even more so, today.

So you need your guns to fight the US army?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Can't get it repealed, The NRA has the US by the balls and is squeezing much too hard.

Well it looks like pounding sand is your only option then.

I wouldn't live in a gun crazy country, so please keep shooting each other if that's what you all prefer. I was just trying to help by adding some common sense to the debate. Obviously, you prefer more dead people than less, which makes you possibly insane. Please see a mental health specialist.

Do you live in the US?

If not, then why the fuck do you even care?

If so, then when are you leaving?

 

[Dot Com]

We are just lucky to have guns keeping us safe

 

[Bumberclyde]

Well it looks like pounding sand is your only option then.

I wouldn't live in a gun crazy country, so please keep shooting each other if that's what you all prefer. I was just trying to help by adding some common sense to the debate. Obviously, you prefer more dead people than less, which makes you possibly insane. Please see a mental health specialist.

Do you live in the US?

If not, then why the fuck do you even care?

If so, then when are you leaving?

Cool, another noob who prefers more dead people than less.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

As gun ownership increases, gun related violent crime decreases. FACT.

But to morons, there is no good way to deal with it except to ban all firearms and make sure only those who authorize themselves and others, may have one. Typical hypocrites.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

I wouldn't live in a gun crazy country, so please keep shooting each other if that's what you all prefer. I was just trying to help by adding some common sense to the debate. Obviously, you prefer more dead people than less, which makes you possibly insane. Please see a mental health specialist.

Do you live in the US?

If not, then why the fuck do you even care?

If so, then when are you leaving?

Cool, another noob who prefers more dead people than less.

Cool another idiot that who can't comprehend what's written.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Well if everyone in the theater was armed, they could have shot the cop

More likely, if everyone in the theater had been armed, they would have all eneded up shooting each other.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Well if everyone in the theater was armed, they could have shot the cop

More likely, if everyone in the theater had been armed, they would have all eneded up shooting each other.

Totally. Then S. Stallone and the rest of the incredibles come through the emergency door with full auto artillery M240s and begin spraying down the massive shoot out.

 

[chikenwing]

I wouldn't live in a gun crazy country, so please keep shooting each other if that's what you all prefer. I was just trying to help by adding some common sense to the debate. Obviously, you prefer more dead people than less, which makes you possibly insane. Please see a mental health specialist.

Do you live in the US?

If not, then why the fuck do you even care?

If so, then when are you leaving?

Cool, another noob who prefers more dead people than less.

Cool another hysterical nonsense machine.

 

[dannyboys]

yes, we are. Safe from the government. And thats the exact reason for the 2nd amendment.

Very true.....

Our society is suffering from the Gubmint gunning down 13,000 Americans a year

The 2nd amendment was about protecting Americans from redcoats and indians. Since neither is now a threat, the 2nd amendment is now obsolete.

Now days the "indians" are in their teens and drive brand new Escalades and carry stolen hand guns and like to play the 'knock-out' game and wear ball caps sideways with two foot long peaks and have gold 'grilles' and wear their pants like they have 'loaded' them and have to run in packs because individually they are cowards and after all that's what their ancestors did in the jungle and they can only get like 12 year old simians who don't know what the word 'today' means to impregnate and of course the odd pure White 'snow bunny' if they have enough money to buy one.
That's why the second amendment is important.

 

[KGB]

So we should disarm everyong because of one nut case ?

Should we ban cars when a mental case drives into a crowd?

No but we have many safety regulations on said cars that have reduced deaths caused by accidents. You have to pass a drivers test and complete comprehensive training to get a liscense. Not the weekend "training course" you need in most states for your CC.

except that driving is a privilege granted by the state, whereby the right to bear arms is enumerated.

 

[KGB]

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed

Exactly.

Damned pesky militias

Supreme Court affirms fundamental right to bear arms....no militia required....

Supreme Court affirms fundamental right to bear arms

 

[Spiderman]

Police: Texting argument in movie theater sparks fatal shooting - CNN.com

It is more of a mental health issue. This was a retired cop, but it could have been anyone with a carry permit. Pretty sad

Saying it could have been anyone as a reason for policy is ridiculous.

And before you deny any alternative motive for posting this other than some gun control argument to ban concealed carry weapons let's cut to the chase.

Implying that everyone with a carry permit is a potential murderer and then using that false statement for a argument for gun control is the same as saying every driver is a potential drunk driver who will kill someone so we should suspend everyone's license.

Adding a firearm to the equation turned what would have been a shoving and shouting match into a fatality

No the idiot who pulled the gun did that. The gun itself is irrelevant. The guy was off his leash period. For all we know if he didn't have the gun he would have beaten kicked or stabbed the other idiot to death. If that was the case this post would never have been started.