The Do Nothing Party

[oreo]

After the less than inspiring Ripublicrat answer to Obama's speech by Piyush Jindal, governer of Louissianna, we continue to see the policy of this semi comatose party is to do nothing, bitch a lot about spedning and hope Obama fails. They have truly become the do nothing party and are starting to pay for that.

Another day, another no vote.

After near-unanimous Republican congressional opposition to President Barack Obama’s stimulus package and a week dominated by headlines of GOP governors poised to reject stimulus funding, House Republicans followed up with another resounding “no” on the $410 billion omnibus spending package Wednesday.

This time, though, 16 members broke from the party line on a vote Minority Whip Eric Cantor had urged his colleagues to reject. And the cracks in the facade appear to be the first public signal of Republican rank-and-file squeamishness with a remarkably high-risk strategy that promises an uncertain return.

For Republicans, a central question looms: Is saying no to Obama’s agenda the way to get voters to say yes to an already beleaguered GOP brand?

Despite two consecutive election thrashings, and despite Obama’s high approval ratings and their own low standing, Republicans have wagered that the return to the majority is paved by unwavering opposition to further spending, an audacious bet that won’t pay out for another 21 months.

If Republicans are right, the economy will remain in tatters(this is their great patriotic plan?) and voters will recognize in 2010 that the recovery was delayed by profligate Democrats and their president.

GOP at risk of becoming party in the no

You bet--Republicans are doing a "rope & dope". 787 BILLION in this so-called stimulus bill that is loaded with earmarks & wasteful spending that has nothing to do with stimulating the economy. Now a budget of 3.4 TRILLON dollars--loaded with over 9000 in earmarks or give-a-ways & favors. Only democrats are voting for these. Republicans are right where they need to be--on the opposing side of wasteful government spending.

You give a liberal enough rope--they're bound to hang themselves with it.

"The problem with socialism, is that eventually, government runs out of other peoples money to spend." Margaret Thatcher.

 

[elvis]

You lost, we won, and now Obama has people loving the direction for the speech at an 80% level.

Sky the R party killed its self.

Germans were moved by good speeches, too.

 

[KittenKoder]

You lost, we won, and now Obama has people loving the direction for the speech at an 80% level.

Sky the R party killed its self.

Germans were moved by good speeches, too.

Being the great grandchild of a holocaust survivor, this is why I didn't (and still don't) trust Obama. Look at his preacher who he so strongly defended until race was brought up, sounds a lot like the pope to me. Until he shows otherwise, he is dangerous.

 

[Meister]

You lost, we won, and now Obama has people loving the direction for the speech at an 80% level.

Sky the R party killed its self.

Yeah, Obama can sure baffle them with bullshit. I see all the dumbocrats on this board baffled.

 

[elvis]

You lost, we won, and now Obama has people loving the direction for the speech at an 80% level.

Sky the R party killed its self.

Germans were moved by good speeches, too.

Being the great grandchild of a holocaust survivor, this is why I didn't (and still don't) trust Obama. Look at his preacher who he so strongly defended until race was brought up, sounds a lot like the pope to me. Until he shows otherwise, he is dangerous.

What's the connection to the pope? I don't know about that part.

 

[KittenKoder]

Germans were moved by good speeches, too.

Being the great grandchild of a holocaust survivor, this is why I didn't (and still don't) trust Obama. Look at his preacher who he so strongly defended until race was brought up, sounds a lot like the pope to me. Until he shows otherwise, he is dangerous.

What's the connection to the pope? I don't know about that part.

First is that Adolf was using the christian (specifically Catholic) beliefs to find the justification for the holocaust. The pope at the time backed the actions he took in setting up the concentration camps, but later when the US joined the war the Catholic church backed out, recanting their decision and tried to duck into the shadows.

The two stories are not identical, in this one Obama was the one that tried to duck into the shadows of the preachers actions, but even with the roles reversed you can see the link, and probably will fear the possibilities as much as I do.

 

[AVG-JOE]

This just shows how fucked up our party system is.

The Dems are voting yes for something they voted no in the last admin.

The Reps are not voting for what they voted yes in the last admin.

Really ... what's the difference here?

The difference is that the democrats are finally listening to the people who hired them and the republicans are still listening to their lap-dog, yes-men talking heads on t.v.

-Joe

 

[DiveCon]

This just shows how fucked up our party system is.

The Dems are voting yes for something they voted no in the last admin.

The Reps are not voting for what they voted yes in the last admin.

Really ... what's the difference here?

The difference is that the democrats are finally listening to the people who hired them and the republicans are still listening to their lap-dog, yes-men talking heads on t.v.

-Joe

ROFLMAO
if you really believe that, you are a bigger fool than i already think you are

 

[WillowTree]

I only wish both parties were "do nothings". Doing things is why we are in such a "pickle".

I love to watch democrats bitch about Republicans,,,

 

[WillowTree]

You lost, we won, and now Obama has people loving the direction for the speech at an 80% level.

Sky the R party killed its self.

Germans were moved by good speeches, too.

Being the great grandchild of a holocaust survivor, this is why I didn't (and still don't) trust Obama. Look at his preacher who he so strongly defended until race was brought up, sounds a lot like the pope to me. Until he shows otherwise, he is dangerous.

What in the sam hell has gotten into you of late? are you being held hostage?

 

[AVG-JOE]

This just shows how fucked up our party system is.

The Dems are voting yes for something they voted no in the last admin.

The Reps are not voting for what they voted yes in the last admin.

Really ... what's the difference here?

The difference is that the democrats are finally listening to the people who hired them and the republicans are still listening to their lap-dog, yes-men talking heads on t.v.

-Joe

ROFLMAO
if you really believe that, you are a bigger fool than i already think you are

Time will tell DC... time will tell.

-Joe

 

[oreo]

This just shows how fucked up our party system is.

The Dems are voting yes for something they voted no in the last admin.

The Reps are not voting for what they voted yes in the last admin.

Really ... what's the difference here?

The difference is that the democrats are finally listening to the people who hired them and the republicans are still listening to their lap-dog, yes-men talking heads on t.v.

-Joe

I will have to disagree with you on that point. Yes, democrats plus many republicans voted democrat this year. Let's face it--it's very typical to do a party change after one party stays in power for 8 years. In fact, there has only been 2 times in American history where the incumbant V-President actually won the White house. One was Bush 1 after Ronald Reagan, & I am not certain who the other was.

Millions of Americans who voted for Obama are just as disturbed over the 787 billion in stimulus that is loaded with ear marks, favors & political pay-offs. They also really don't like the idea of bailing out irresponsible people who bought too much home for their pay-check, & on & on it goes.

Further, if the economy doesn't improve, if the market keeps tanking every time Obama speaks, this will eventually wear on the approval rating of President Obama.

In my opinion he promised way to much--to many people who do not have an inkling of economic understanding. They want all these promises kept & their expectations are at an astromical level. Therefore, disappointment is easy to attain.

 

[auditor0007]

If only they had done nothing - but what they did was squander the surplus, start insane wars, worship at the altar of greed, fall asleep during Katrina, etc etc etc etc ......

Those damn Republicans; they should have been fighting those hurricane force winds. If they had done a better job fighting those winds, the levies never would have given way. Damn those Republicans; damn them all.

 

[manu1959]

the dems are in charge.....no doubt about it......yet all i hear is complaints and excuses.....

the country has spent 2 trillion dollars in the last 120 days hoping to spedn its way out of 2 decades of drunken excesss that put us where we are......

and the soultion is to spend money and tax 2% of the population to pay for it .......

if this was a small business the analogous soltution is to ......

give the rank and file a raise....
not cut any staff....
increase benifits ....
increas marketing
cut the salaries of the owners ......

 

[AVG-JOE]

This just shows how fucked up our party system is.

The Dems are voting yes for something they voted no in the last admin.

The Reps are not voting for what they voted yes in the last admin.

Really ... what's the difference here?

The difference is that the democrats are finally listening to the people who hired them and the republicans are still listening to their lap-dog, yes-men talking heads on t.v.

-Joe

I will have to disagree with you on that point. Yes, democrats plus many republicans voted democrat this year. Let's face it--it's very typical to do a party change after one party stays in power for 8 years. In fact, there has only been 2 times in American history where the incumbant V-President actually won the White house. One was Bush 1 after Ronald Reagan, & I am not certain who the other was.

Millions of Americans who voted for Obama are just as disturbed over the 787 billion in stimulus that is loaded with ear marks, favors & political pay-offs. They also really don't like the idea of bailing out irresponsible people who bought too much home for their pay-check, & on & on it goes.

Further, if the economy doesn't improve, if the market keeps tanking every time Obama speaks, this will eventually wear on the approval rating of President Obama.

In my opinion he promised way to much--to many people who do not have an inkling of economic understanding. They want all these promises kept & their expectations are at an astromical level. Therefore, disappointment is easy to attain.

I understand your skepticism O. Truly I do. I was not at all happy with the 'business as usual' attitude displayed by the democratic congress when they crafted the stimulus bill. I wondered what happened to the leader we elected to change the way we are governed. I should have been more patient.

What I saw on Tuesday in the Presidents speech was the leader we elected, calling 'bullshit' on the 3 main problems of the last 50 years:

1) The republicans.
2) The democrats.
&
3) The greedy who hide behind corporations and lawyers, funding the politics and pulling the strings of both parties as they maintained power via fear.

-Joe

 

[mash107]

It doesn't matter if every penny of the $787 billion bill was precisely for jobs and none of it was wasteful, it is still wrong. A private market can create jobs a lot more efficiently than the government, and that's been proven empirically over many decades of comparing command economies (North Korea) with free markets (South Korea).

Republicans were horribly wrong over the last 8 years. They voted for the biggest earmark of all, the war in Iraq. And the bank bailouts. And the TARP fund. And medicare entitlements increase. And allowing the Federal Reserve to continue. Everything that is undoing this economy right now, the Republicans voted for.

However, change is not more of the same. Nor is it an increase of money spent in doing the same thing. Obama is simply more of the same, big government, bullshit that caused this recession, like all previous economic downturns.

 

[Munin]

You lost, we won, and now Obama has people loving the direction for the speech at an 80% level.

Sky the R party killed its self.

Germans were moved by good speeches, too.

Being the great grandchild of a holocaust survivor, this is why I didn't (and still don't) trust Obama. Look at his preacher who he so strongly defended until race was brought up, sounds a lot like the pope to me. Until he shows otherwise, he is dangerous.

Hitler didn't preach hope, you should know that if you truly are so interested in the subject. Hitler did what he preached: preached hate and governed on hate.

 

[driveby]

The difference is that the democrats are finally listening to the people who hired them and the republicans are still listening to their lap-dog, yes-men talking heads on t.v.

-Joe

I will have to disagree with you on that point. Yes, democrats plus many republicans voted democrat this year. Let's face it--it's very typical to do a party change after one party stays in power for 8 years. In fact, there has only been 2 times in American history where the incumbant V-President actually won the White house. One was Bush 1 after Ronald Reagan, & I am not certain who the other was.

Millions of Americans who voted for Obama are just as disturbed over the 787 billion in stimulus that is loaded with ear marks, favors & political pay-offs. They also really don't like the idea of bailing out irresponsible people who bought too much home for their pay-check, & on & on it goes.

Further, if the economy doesn't improve, if the market keeps tanking every time Obama speaks, this will eventually wear on the approval rating of President Obama.

In my opinion he promised way to much--to many people who do not have an inkling of economic understanding. They want all these promises kept & their expectations are at an astromical level. Therefore, disappointment is easy to attain.

I understand your skepticism O. Truly I do. I was not at all happy with the 'business as usual' attitude displayed by the democratic congress when they crafted the stimulus bill. I wondered what happened to the leader we elected to change the way we are governed. I should have been more patient.

What I saw on Tuesday in the Presidents speech was the leader we elected, calling 'bullshit' on the 3 main problems of the last 50 years:

1) The republicans.
2) The democrats.
&
3) The greedy who hide behind corporations and lawyers, funding the politics and pulling the strings of both parties as they maintained power via fear.

-Joe

Fuck what he says, it's what he does. He's not really interested in getting us out of the recession, his main objective is to push his agenda through. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a blind fool.......

 

[editec]

It doesn't matter if every penny of the $787 billion bill was precisely for jobs and none of it was wasteful, it is still wrong. A private market can create jobs a lot more efficiently than the government, and that's been proven empirically over many decades of comparing command economies (North Korea) with free markets (South Korea).

Then why isn't the private market doing that?

Republicans were horribly wrong over the last 8 years. They voted for the biggest earmark of all, the war in Iraq. And the bank bailouts. And the TARP fund. And medicare entitlements increase. And allowing the Federal Reserve to continue. Everything that is undoing this economy right now, the Republicans voted for.

Well, they cannot take all the credit.

Our Democratic chums went along for that ride down the old Jingo trail

However, change is not more of the same. Nor is it an increase of money spent in doing the same thing. Obama is simply more of the same, big government, bullshit that caused this recession, like all previous economic downturns.

What is happening now is on a scale that dwarfs anything the government has even done before.

NINE TRILLION dollars to save the PRIVATE banking and finance industry?!

And we are informed, there still more to follow as needed?!

I have to tell you guys that you who are still flailing about seeking to pin the Republicans or Democratics with exclusive responsibility for this mess are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO out of touch with the times.

I note that the Republicans are fighting the $787 Billion part of this package tooth and nail.

Have any of you heard them complaining about the FAR greater amounts ($9 Trillion) going into the PRIVATE banks and finance companies?

I haven't.

I recall that SOME republicans objected originally to TARP, and have consistently objected to all the bailouts, so those individual republicans and Democrats who did that get credit for that.

Still, I find this whole affair rather strange.

The problem the Republicans are having getting traction with the American people should be fairly easy to understand.

While Americans on Main street were already in a recession (before Wall street was, I mean) all we heard from the Republicans was:

"The fundamentals of the economy are sound. There's no recession, The tax cuts are working. Anyone who isn't making it in America is a loser"

Well a LOT we Americans knew that was total bullshit years ago.

So, while the Republicans might have very valid complaints right now, their credibility is shot with a lot of the middle class.

Of course, from my perspective, since a lot of Dems were telling us the same damned thing (the economy is sound, Fannie and Freddie are sound) they ALSO have no credibility, either.

Who do you trust when BOTH PARTIES were so very very wrong?

Why do any of us trust the experts (or either party) who screwed the system up so badly in the first place?

 

[Harry Dresden]

It doesn't matter if every penny of the $787 billion bill was precisely for jobs and none of it was wasteful, it is still wrong. A private market can create jobs a lot more efficiently than the government, and that's been proven empirically over many decades of comparing command economies (North Korea) with free markets (South Korea).

Then why isn't the private market doing that?

Republicans were horribly wrong over the last 8 years. They voted for the biggest earmark of all, the war in Iraq. And the bank bailouts. And the TARP fund. And medicare entitlements increase. And allowing the Federal Reserve to continue. Everything that is undoing this economy right now, the Republicans voted for.

Well, they cannot take all the credit.

Our Democratic chums went along for that ride down the old Jingo trail

However, change is not more of the same. Nor is it an increase of money spent in doing the same thing. Obama is simply more of the same, big government, bullshit that caused this recession, like all previous economic downturns.

What is happening now is on a scale that dwarfs anything the government has even done before.

NINE TRILLION dollars to save the PRIVATE banking and finance industry?!

And we are informed, there still more to follow as needed?!

I have to tell you guys that you who are still flailing about seeking to pin the Republicans or Democratics with exclusive responsibility for this mess are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO out of touch with the times.

I note that the Republicans are fighting the $787 Billion part of this package tooth and nail.

Have any of you heard them complaining about the FAR greater amounts ($9 Trillion) going into the PRIVATE banks and finance companies?

I haven't.

I recall that SOME republicans objected originally to TARP, and have consistently objected to all the bailouts, so those individual republicans and Democrats who did that get credit for that.

Still, I find this whole affair rather strange.

The problem the Republicans are having getting traction with the American people should be fairly easy to understand.

While Americans on Main street were already in a recession (before Wall street was, I mean) all we heard from the Republicans was:

"The fundamentals of the economy are sound. There's no recession, The tax cuts are working. Anyone who isn't making it in America is a loser"

Well a LOT we Americans knew that was total bullshit years ago.

So, while the Republicans might have very valid complaints right now, their credibility is shot with a lot of the middle class.

Of course, from my perspective, since a lot of Dems were telling us the same damned thing (the economy is sound, Fannie and Freddie are sound) they ALSO have no credibility, either.

Who do you trust when BOTH PARTIES were so very very wrong?

Why do any of us trust the experts (or either party) who screwed the system up so badly in the first place?

and why the hell are we allowing them to take even more money and maybe do it AGAIN?......you wanna stimulate this fucking economy,they should have divided that money up among the AMERICAN TAXPAYER,since its ours anyway.....if you had 30 thou.tax free money,would you not maybe pay off some bills,much no doubt going back to these banks,buy some things that you need....ETC.ETC......