The Divide: The "Trumpians" vs. the expected 2016 demographics

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Charlie Cook and David Wasserman just put out an interesting analysis of the 2016 election in terms of demographics, and the concensus is that it looks very, very ugly for the GOP, much uglier than the GOP wants to admit.

So, here we go:

2016 Voters by the Numbers - NationalJournal.com

..through a demographic lens, the modern GOP's increasing reliance on a shrinking pool of older, white, and working-class voters—and its failure to attract nonwhite voters—would seem to present an enormous obstacle to the eventual Republican nominee. In 1980, when nonwhite voters were just 12 percent of the electorate, Ronald Reagan won 56 percent of white voters and was elected in a landslide. But in 2012, when nonwhite voters accounted for 28 percent of the electorate, Mitt Romney took 59 percent of white voters—and lost the presidential race by 4 percentage points. Without a total brand makeover, how can Republicans expect to prevail with an even more diverse electorate in 2016?...

...If the electorate evolves in sync with the Census Bureau's estimates of the adult citizen population (admittedly, a big if), the white share of the electorate would drop from 72 percent in 2012 to 70 percent in 2016; the African-American share would remain stable at 13 percent; the Latino portion would grow from 10 percent to 11 percent; and the Asian/other segment would increase from 5 percent to 6 percent. If the 2012 election had been held with that breakdown (keeping all other variables stable), President Obama would have won by 5.4 percentage points rather than by his actual 3.85-point margin.

In addition, the group with which the GOP does best—whites without college degrees—is the only one poised to shrink in 2016. President Obama won just 36 percent of these voters in 2012, while 42 percent of white voters with college degrees pulled the lever for him. But if the electorate changes in line with census estimates, the slice of college-educated whites will grow by 1 point, to 37 percent of all voters, while the portion of whites without degrees will shrink 3 points, to just 33 percent of the total. In other words, the GOP doesn't just have a growing problem with nonwhites; it has a shrinkage problem as well, as conservative white seniors are supplanted by college-educated millennials with different cultural attitudes.


That's it, in a nutshell.

To back up the stats, here are the exit polls from 1976 through 2012:

How Groups Voted in 1976 - Roper Center

How Groups Voted in 1980 - Roper Center

How Groups Voted in 1984 - Roper Center

How Groups Voted in 1988 - Roper Center

How Groups Voted in 1992 - Roper Center

How Groups Voted in 1996 - Roper Center

How Groups Voted in 2000 - Roper Center

How Groups Voted in 2004 - Roper Center

How Groups Voted in 2008 - Roper Center

How Groups Voted in 2012 - Roper Center


Yes, the statistic from 1980 is correct but at the same time somewhat misleading. Ronald Reagan only took 56% of the White vote in 1980 and still won with a +9.74% landslide over Democratic incumbent Jimmy Carter because it was a three man race and John Anderson (Independent) was also in the mix.

In 1984, the second largest popular vote landslide since 1964 and the largest EV landslide since 1936, Ronald Reagan took 66% of the White Vote, which is the high water mark in this category since Roper has been polling for voter demographics.

The main message is that Romney came close to 60% of the White Vote in 2012 and still lost to Obama by 3.86 points. The reason is obvious: a shrinking White electorate, and a elderly White electorate that is shrinking even more quickly.

So, in 2016, even if for some reason, a GOP nominee were to get 66% of the White Vote as did Ronald Reagan in 1984, since the White Vote is likely to go from 72% of the electorate in 2012 to 70% of the electorate in 2016, that would probably not be enough to get a GOPer over the top in the EC, but maybe in the PV. The problem with that is that no GOPer is likely to get to 66% of the White Vote, because the female vote is already showing a major tendency toward Hillary Clinton (D), also among White Women.

As the data shows, had Obama won with the same groups, but with the projected 2016 demographics, his margin would have been +5.4 over Romney instead of +3.9. That's an automatic 1.5 point difference, just based on expected shifts in the demographics for the next presidential cycle.

The math makes it clear: without inroads into the minority vote, there is no real path for a GOP victory at the national level, plain and simple.

And Charlie Cook's assumption that the White Vote will sink again in 2016 is exactly in line with electoral history. In fact, instead of 70%, I would not be surprised if the White Vote clocks in at 69% in 2016.

Here the exact numbers for the White Vote, vis-a-vis electorate and GOP take of the White vote:

YEAR / % of electorate / Republican take
1976: 89% / 52%
1980: 88% / 56% (three-man-race)
1984: 86% / 66%
1988: 85% / 60%
1992: 87% / 41% (three-man-race)
1996: 83% / 46% (three-man-race)
2000: 81% / 55%
2004: 77% / 58%
2008: 74% / 55%
2012: 72% / 59%


Actually, I think that Charlie Cook's comparison of Reagan to Romney was false. It is much more logical to compare Bush 41 to Romney. In 1988, Bush 41 took 60% of the White Vote and won the election by +7.73%. In 2012, Romney won the White Vote by 59% (he did better than Bush 43 from both 2000 and 2004!), but lost by -3.86%. That's an 11.59% difference, in spite of the fact that both gentlemen took essentially the same amount of the White Vote.

This is how much of a difference the electorate shows when it goes from being 85% White (1988) to 72% White (2012).

Let's look at the shifts as well. In every cycle EXCEPT 1992, the White Vote shrunk over the previous cycle. And since 1996, the White Vote has shrunk by no less than 2% over the previous cycle, so a prediction of 70% for the White Vote in 2016 is absolutely in-line with electoral history.

Also, let's think about the Women's vote:

Obama won the women's vote by +13 in 2008 and by +11 in 2012. Hillary is polling between +15 and +21 in the women's vote and has been the entire time - and I am being VERY conservative with this estimate here: against Ted Cruz, it's +29. Let's take a mean of +18, 5 points higher than Obama's margin from 2012. Assuming 90% of the Black Vote for Hillary, 70% of the Asian Vote and at least 70% of the Latino vote, this can only mean a certain amount of that rise in the women's vote must come from White women voters, which leads to the logical assumption that it is going to be very hard for a Republican to get above 59% of the White Vote overall, much less even hold at 59%.

So, at a time when Donald Trump is holding a mega-anti-immigration rally in a state well known for it's antipathy toward Latinos, namely, Arizona, the demographics are pointing clearly to a need for the Republican nominee to make inroads into the Latino vote.

It's that simple. And it is also the reason for the title of the OP: "The Divide" - because there is a huge divide between that which seems to attract the ultra-conservative majority of the Republican party in a primary election - and that which will attract General Election voters in November 2016.

In other words, the phenomenon of the "red-meat" that Mitt Romney threw to the Right in 2012, which then ended up being a poison-pill for him in the General, appears to be even more prominent looking toward 2016.

George W. Bush (43) managed to get to -9 in the Latino vote in 2004 and he took 58% of the White Vote, and that barely got him over 270 EV (286, to be exact). With a reduced White electorate looming in 2016, a GOPer cannot afford anything worse than -10 in the Latino vote, and it looks like the cleft might be as large as -60. That is a math that they cannot win with.

Yepp, the demographic numbers look brutal for the GOP in 2016.
 
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ZZZZZzzzzzzzz....bunch of left wing nutters trying to tell us how to vote, how to win elections, Blah blah blah.

ZZZZZzzzzzz......

Uhm, no.

And Charlie Cook is anything but a Leftie.

Try again.
LOL

I'm so glad you are concerned for the GOP............It's moving................

:rolleyes:


You misunderstand.

It's not concern.

It's math.

Now, wake up and look at the math for yourself and decide whether or not the GOP should fucking stop hating on brown people before it is too late.
 
That's an 11.59% difference, in spite of the fact that both gentlemen took essentially the same amount of the White Vote.

This is how much of a difference the electorate shows when it goes from being 85% White (1988) to 72% White (2012).

So a 13% drop in the white vote equated to an 11.6% drop in support for the GOP candidates.

And it is going to be a 15% drop by 2016 which will make the difference over 13% in GOP support without factoring in the female vote swing.

It means that the GOP has to make up a deficit in white votes without replacing them with minority votes.

There is no way that someone like Trump can close a gap that big. In fact the only slim possibility out there might be Kasich and he isn't even showing up on the 1st primary debate radar.
 
ZZZZZzzzzzzzz....bunch of left wing nutters trying to tell us how to vote, how to win elections, Blah blah blah.

ZZZZZzzzzzz......

Uhm, no.

And Charlie Cook is anything but a Leftie.

Try again.
LOL

I'm so glad you are concerned for the GOP............It's moving................

:rolleyes:


You misunderstand.

It's not concern.

It's math.

Now, wake up and look at the math for yourself and decide whether or not the GOP should fucking stop hating on brown people before it is too late.
The day I need a Statist to tell me what I should think is the day I'll take a stroll in hell....................Your side's position is transparent............refuse to enforce immigration laws on the books............yell Amnesty.............vote early and often.............

The immigration debate to the left is about votes and nothing more.............it's understood that you ignore laws with glee and say you are for the country.............

so.................

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz......................
 
ZZZZZzzzzzzzz....bunch of left wing nutters trying to tell us how to vote, how to win elections, Blah blah blah.

ZZZZZzzzzzz......

Uhm, no.

And Charlie Cook is anything but a Leftie.

Try again.
LOL

I'm so glad you are concerned for the GOP............It's moving................

:rolleyes:


You misunderstand.

It's not concern.

It's math.

Now, wake up and look at the math for yourself and decide whether or not the GOP should fucking stop hating on brown people before it is too late.
The day I need a Statist to tell me what I should think is the day I'll take a stroll in hell....................Your side's position is transparent............refuse to enforce immigration laws on the books............yell Amnesty.............vote early and often.............

The immigration debate to the left is about votes and nothing more.............it's understood that you ignore laws with glee and say you are for the country.............

so.................

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz......................



Well, ok, you go with that, mkay?

:lol:
 
ZZZZZzzzzzzzz....bunch of left wing nutters trying to tell us how to vote, how to win elections, Blah blah blah.

ZZZZZzzzzzz......

Uhm, no.

And Charlie Cook is anything but a Leftie.

Try again.
LOL

I'm so glad you are concerned for the GOP............It's moving................

:rolleyes:


You misunderstand.

It's not concern.

It's math.

Now, wake up and look at the math for yourself and decide whether or not the GOP should fucking stop hating on brown people before it is too late.
The day I need a Statist to tell me what I should think is the day I'll take a stroll in hell....................Your side's position is transparent............refuse to enforce immigration laws on the books............yell Amnesty.............vote early and often.............

The immigration debate to the left is about votes and nothing more.............it's understood that you ignore laws with glee and say you are for the country.............

so.................

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz......................



Well, ok, you go with that, mkay?

:lol:
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Remember stat has bet the farm on Hilary winning and winning big. He must do everything he can to brainwash everyone that Hilary is an unstoppable force of nature. His numbers don't match up with head to head poll numbers with some,of the leading republicans, remember he cherry picks his polls. He also is relying heavily on the women vote thing. While there are drones who will vote for her even if she is lucifer, many women are not happy with the foundation, the lies, and the artifice. If republicans are lucky enough to get a Rubio or cruz(both of whose poll numbers are going up) she will be demolished in a debate. She goes down more every month and the future looks bleak with revelations coming out every month. It is all smoke and mirrors and money.

Hillary Clinton s poll numbers signal trouble ahead - Annie Karni and Gabriel Debenedetti - POLITICO
 
Democrats continue group think and pigeonhole people in groups from which the democrats don't let them escape.

What you could well see is the general dissatisfaction erupt in a primal scream of rage of the majority, which might just include members of the classified groups.
 
Remember stat has bet the farm on Hilary winning and winning big. He must do everything he can to brainwash everyone that Hilary is an unstoppable force of nature. His numbers don't match up with head to head poll numbers with some,of the leading republicans, remember he cherry picks his polls. He also is relying heavily on the women vote thing. While there are drones who will vote for her even if she is lucifer, many women are not happy with the foundation, the lies, and the artifice. If republicans are lucky enough to get a Rubio or cruz(both of whose poll numbers are going up) she will be demolished in a debate. She goes down more every month and the future looks bleak with revelations coming out every month. It is all smoke and mirrors and money.

Hillary Clinton s poll numbers signal trouble ahead - Annie Karni and Gabriel Debenedetti - POLITICO

Gosh!

The entire GOP clown cavalcade are taking pot shots at her and she is taking friendly fire on the left too and her poll ratings are taking a hit.

Who would have guessed that might happen?

Note too that the Hillary campaign hasn't bothered to fire back yet because so many of the barbs are coming from losers who won't even make the 1st GOP primary and many who won't even make it as far as Iowa either.

No point in wasting funds on those deadbeats.

When clear frontrunner's emerge from the GOP rabble that will be the time to start returning fire.

Needless to say none of the GOP clowns are capable of withstanding the kind of onslaught that she has endured for the past 25 years. None of them are as battle hardened and have the experience that she has.

So the GOP is fighting a losing battle on too many fronts.

  • They are up against a formidable opponent on the left.
  • They are disorganized and engaging in petty squabbles within the GOP itself.
  • They don't have a platform that will appeal to minorities.
  • They don't have a clear vision for the future of their own party, let alone the nation.
  • They cannot control their own messaging.

So that is why the Hillary campaign isn't in the least bit worried because there is no cohesive threat from the GOP. Right now Bernie Sanders is more of a threat to her election chances than everything the GOP has combined.

And no, Bernie isn't going to get the Dem nomination because he doesn't have the organization to make that happen and he doesn't have the time or funds to get it together either.
 
Democrats continue group think and pigeonhole people in groups from which the democrats don't let them escape.

What you could well see is the general dissatisfaction erupt in a primal scream of rage of the majority, which might just include members of the classified groups.

You can scream all you want but you cannot alter the math of the demographics in the OP!
 
ZZZZZzzzzzzzz....bunch of left wing nutters trying to tell us how to vote, how to win elections, Blah blah blah.

ZZZZZzzzzzz......

Uhm, no.

And Charlie Cook is anything but a Leftie.

Try again.
LOL

I'm so glad you are concerned for the GOP............It's moving................

:rolleyes:


You misunderstand.

It's not concern.

It's math.

Now, wake up and look at the math for yourself and decide whether or not the GOP should fucking stop hating on brown people before it is too late.
How is the weather over there? Hey it is bedtime for you!!! Put your PJs on and go to bed!
 
Democrats continue group think and pigeonhole people in groups from which the democrats don't let them escape.

What you could well see is the general dissatisfaction erupt in a primal scream of rage of the majority, which might just include members of the classified groups.

You can scream all you want but you cannot alter the math of the demographics in the OP!
It doesn't matter because people are individuals and not groups. Only democrats believe in the hive mind.
 
Democrats continue group think and pigeonhole people in groups from which the democrats don't let them escape.

What you could well see is the general dissatisfaction erupt in a primal scream of rage of the majority, which might just include members of the classified groups.

You can scream all you want but you cannot alter the math of the demographics in the OP!
It doesn't matter because people are individuals and not groups. Only democrats believe in the hive mind.

Ironic coming from the GOP Borg.

Try refuting the numbers in the OP.
 

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