The difference between Ryan's Medicare spending and Obamacare's

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    That's false.
     
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    The real difference between the Ryan plan and the Big 0's plan is that the Big 0 relies on government officials to do the work while we sufer or reap the effects of their efforts.

    The Ryan plan puts the decision making in the hands of the Seniors. When this approach has been used before, it has worked and worked very well to improve the options, coverages and cost factors.

    No matter how many government officials are at work doing the planning, they will not be able to equal the combined efforts of every single Senior and their families researching every nuance of their conditions and the available options for insurance and care.

    Ryan's plan endorses the capability of the end users while the Obamacare option denies the capability and the wisdom of the end user. The Obamacare approach asserts that we are all helpless idiots who need care and guidance, not able free agents who need reasonable options.

    Obamacare is the typical Liberal approach that has to be interpreted as an insult to any thinking individual.

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    A key difference between PPACA and PTP is the method by which each reduces Medicare spending. PPACA cuts payments to hospitals and doctors, which will force many doctors out of the health care system, reducing access to care for seniors in much the same way that Medicaid does.

    On the other hand, PTP places control in the hands of seniors. Retirees under PTP will be incentivized to reduce wasteful health spending by shopping for insurance plans that contain the benefits they most want. This patient-centered approach is far more appealing.
     
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    Wrong. obie doodle stole 960 Billion from medicare already to fund his rammed down our throats health care and now he wants to make like Republicans want to hurt seniors. he's a liar and a fake.
     
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    The Ryan plan will "make it fiscally viable" by taking the cost off the government ledger and pushing them on the backs of seniors.

    And yes, Ryan's belief you can hold the rate of growth to the rate of growth is completely unrealistic.
     
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    That's cute rhetoric. Too bad it doesn't work out in reality.
     
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    Both plans are focused on the same goal: pushing as many tax dollars as possible into insurance industry coffers. No thanks.
     
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    look, when you put the money in the their hands they will be nature shop smarter. I believe that having the employer based plans where in one is basically cocooned form the cost structure makes us all profligate in that we don't care what the back end costs are because we don't see them.

    When folks start shopping and paying even via voucher, they will begin to understand more fully what they are actually getting or not for their money and that will help drive demand that costs , say for those $10 Tylenol goes down,( you know bending the cost curve which is what this is supposed to be all about), competition via producers/suppliers will warm up driving cost down.
    Also, shopping for your own plan to fit an individual/family need free from the demand that say a plan cover say, mental health costs etc. is viable and a must.
     

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