The difference between capitalism and socialism in a nutshell

[Bfgrn]

You are ignorant. You are not describing socialism, you are describing communism. Socialist do not create a Politburo...conservatives do.

You are every bit as ignorant. Politburo's are the construct of collectivist governments run amuck.

Politburo is the construct of conservatives, who believe decisions should be in the hands of a few. Does the "decider" sound familiar?

Socialism is the construct of liberals, who believe decisions should be in the hands of everyone (all). A democracy. A word you right wing turds despise.


"Conservatism, though a necessary element in any stable society, is not a social program; in its paternalistic, nationalistic and power adoring tendencies it is often closer to socialism than true liberalism; and with its traditionalistic, anti-intellectual, and often mystical propensities it will never, except in short periods of disillusionment, appeal to the young and all those others who believe that some changes are desirable if this world is to become a better place."
Friedrich August von Hayek-The Road to Serfdom

"In general, it can probably be said that the conservative does not object to coercion or arbitrary power so long as it is used for what he regards as the right purposes. He believes that if government is in the hands of decent men, it ought not to be too much restricted by rigid rules. Since he is essentially opportunist and lacks principles..."
Friedrich August von Hayek-Why I am Not a Conservative

Bullcrap. Gulags and concentration camps are the result of a collectivist government run amuck. You political revisionists try and rewrite history but Stalin was not a "conservative" no matter how hard you try and warp your brain around that bit of rationalization. You're just simply full of crap. And you know it. Soviet Russia was a collectivist totalitarian government. No matter how you twist yourself up in knots that is a simple fact.

Liberals tend to support democracy. Conservatives tend to fear, or abhor, democracy (at least their sense of it)

calling it 'mob rule'.

The 'mob' though that they refer to is? The common man, the beneficiaries of universal suffrage, the People.

Conservatives want to limit democracy in any manner they can contrive that will give conservatives an advantage.

Pure Democracy IS mob rule. That's why the Founders, in their wisdom set this country up as a Constitutional Republic so that the rights of the individual were as protected as possible. Just think, were this a Democracy, the votes would go totally against gay marriage. Most, if not all of the laws that have been passed were voted on by the public. The laws have been changed via judicial fiat, which is wrong, but ultimately the correct result has occurred. Were those protections not memorialized, the gay rights movement would be totally, and utterly screwed.

Thank heaven the Founders foresaw that, and planned accordingly.

Turn off the Putin news channel...

 

[Bfgrn]

You political revisionists try and rewrite history but Stalin was not a "conservative" no matter how hard you try and warp your brain around that bit of rationalization. You're just simply full of crap. And you know it.

Coming from right wing turds like you who faun over Putin? Stalin was Putin on steroids.

Under Stalin homosexual activity was punishable with up to five years' hard labor. Stalin banned abortion.

I'm a lefty. I just also have a brain, which you clearly lack. And Putin is a fucking scumbag trying to rebuild the Soviet Union with tactics from the 1930's. I suggest you pull your head out of your ass before you make an even bigger fool of yourself. For your information, yet again, I am pro choice, I am pro gay marriage. So yet again you are simply...wrong!

I don't care what hand you beat off with. You are a right wing turd. A moron who doesn't understand that construction debris is not natural rock formation.

 

[Bfgrn]

You political revisionists try and rewrite history but Stalin was not a "conservative" no matter how hard you try and warp your brain around that bit of rationalization. You're just simply full of crap. And you know it.

Coming from right wing turds like you who faun over Putin? Stalin was Putin on steroids.

Under Stalin homosexual activity was punishable with up to five years' hard labor. Stalin banned abortion.

I'm a lefty. I just also have a brain, which you clearly lack. And Putin is a fucking scumbag trying to rebuild the Soviet Union with tactics from the 1930's. I suggest you pull your head out of your ass before you make an even bigger fool of yourself. For your information, yet again, I am pro choice, I am pro gay marriage. So yet again you are simply...wrong!

So...pro choice and pro gay marriage. Was Stalin also a "lefty'? You just stepped in it...LOL

Under Stalin homosexual activity was punishable with up to five years' hard labor. Stalin banned abortion.

 

[westwall]

You are every bit as ignorant. Politburo's are the construct of collectivist governments run amuck.

Politburo is the construct of conservatives, who believe decisions should be in the hands of a few. Does the "decider" sound familiar?

Socialism is the construct of liberals, who believe decisions should be in the hands of everyone (all). A democracy. A word you right wing turds despise.


"Conservatism, though a necessary element in any stable society, is not a social program; in its paternalistic, nationalistic and power adoring tendencies it is often closer to socialism than true liberalism; and with its traditionalistic, anti-intellectual, and often mystical propensities it will never, except in short periods of disillusionment, appeal to the young and all those others who believe that some changes are desirable if this world is to become a better place."
Friedrich August von Hayek-The Road to Serfdom

"In general, it can probably be said that the conservative does not object to coercion or arbitrary power so long as it is used for what he regards as the right purposes. He believes that if government is in the hands of decent men, it ought not to be too much restricted by rigid rules. Since he is essentially opportunist and lacks principles..."
Friedrich August von Hayek-Why I am Not a Conservative

Bullcrap. Gulags and concentration camps are the result of a collectivist government run amuck. You political revisionists try and rewrite history but Stalin was not a "conservative" no matter how hard you try and warp your brain around that bit of rationalization. You're just simply full of crap. And you know it. Soviet Russia was a collectivist totalitarian government. No matter how you twist yourself up in knots that is a simple fact.

Liberals tend to support democracy. Conservatives tend to fear, or abhor, democracy (at least their sense of it)

calling it 'mob rule'.

The 'mob' though that they refer to is? The common man, the beneficiaries of universal suffrage, the People.

Conservatives want to limit democracy in any manner they can contrive that will give conservatives an advantage.

Pure Democracy IS mob rule. That's why the Founders, in their wisdom set this country up as a Constitutional Republic so that the rights of the individual were as protected as possible. Just think, were this a Democracy, the votes would go totally against gay marriage. Most, if not all of the laws that have been passed were voted on by the public. The laws have been changed via judicial fiat, which is wrong, but ultimately the correct result has occurred. Were those protections not memorialized, the gay rights movement would be totally, and utterly screwed.

Thank heaven the Founders foresaw that, and planned accordingly.

Turn off the Putin news channel...

Turn on your brain. The vote total in California...CALIFORNIA! was 52% to 48% AGAINST gay marriage. So, in other words, in THE most gay friendly state, in the US, the gay vote lost.

http://www.thetaskforce.org/static_html/downloads/reports/reports/pi_prop8_1_6_09.pdf

 

[Bfgrn]

Politburo is the construct of conservatives, who believe decisions should be in the hands of a few. Does the "decider" sound familiar?

Socialism is the construct of liberals, who believe decisions should be in the hands of everyone (all). A democracy. A word you right wing turds despise.


"Conservatism, though a necessary element in any stable society, is not a social program; in its paternalistic, nationalistic and power adoring tendencies it is often closer to socialism than true liberalism; and with its traditionalistic, anti-intellectual, and often mystical propensities it will never, except in short periods of disillusionment, appeal to the young and all those others who believe that some changes are desirable if this world is to become a better place."
Friedrich August von Hayek-The Road to Serfdom

"In general, it can probably be said that the conservative does not object to coercion or arbitrary power so long as it is used for what he regards as the right purposes. He believes that if government is in the hands of decent men, it ought not to be too much restricted by rigid rules. Since he is essentially opportunist and lacks principles..."
Friedrich August von Hayek-Why I am Not a Conservative

Bullcrap. Gulags and concentration camps are the result of a collectivist government run amuck. You political revisionists try and rewrite history but Stalin was not a "conservative" no matter how hard you try and warp your brain around that bit of rationalization. You're just simply full of crap. And you know it. Soviet Russia was a collectivist totalitarian government. No matter how you twist yourself up in knots that is a simple fact.

Liberals tend to support democracy. Conservatives tend to fear, or abhor, democracy (at least their sense of it)

calling it 'mob rule'.

The 'mob' though that they refer to is? The common man, the beneficiaries of universal suffrage, the People.

Conservatives want to limit democracy in any manner they can contrive that will give conservatives an advantage.

Pure Democracy IS mob rule. That's why the Founders, in their wisdom set this country up as a Constitutional Republic so that the rights of the individual were as protected as possible. Just think, were this a Democracy, the votes would go totally against gay marriage. Most, if not all of the laws that have been passed were voted on by the public. The laws have been changed via judicial fiat, which is wrong, but ultimately the correct result has occurred. Were those protections not memorialized, the gay rights movement would be totally, and utterly screwed.

Thank heaven the Founders foresaw that, and planned accordingly.

Turn off the Putin news channel...

Turn on your brain. The vote total in California...CALIFORNIA! was 52% to 48% AGAINST gay marriage. So, in other words, in THE most gay friendly state, in the US, the gay vote lost.

http://www.thetaskforce.org/static_html/downloads/reports/reports/pi_prop8_1_6_09.pdf

2009 is the "ice Age"

 

[westwall]

You political revisionists try and rewrite history but Stalin was not a "conservative" no matter how hard you try and warp your brain around that bit of rationalization. You're just simply full of crap. And you know it.

Coming from right wing turds like you who faun over Putin? Stalin was Putin on steroids.

Under Stalin homosexual activity was punishable with up to five years' hard labor. Stalin banned abortion.

I'm a lefty. I just also have a brain, which you clearly lack. And Putin is a fucking scumbag trying to rebuild the Soviet Union with tactics from the 1930's. I suggest you pull your head out of your ass before you make an even bigger fool of yourself. For your information, yet again, I am pro choice, I am pro gay marriage. So yet again you are simply...wrong!

So...pro choice and pro gay marriage. Was Stalin also a "lefty'? You just stepped in it...LOL

Well, Stalin was a collectivist. I am not. If you were smart enough you would see the difference. The Nazi's welcomed gays in the beginning too. But then, when it became obvious that they wouldn't breed children for the STATE, they were eliminated as they were no longer beneficial to the STATE. See the emphasis on the STATE. That's collectivist. You are merely a Fabian Socialist revisionist.

Governments fall into two types, collectivist, and individualist. That's it. Nazi, Commie, they are the same house, just a different color of paint. On the other side of the teeter totter is anarchy, you know the ultimate in individualist government. If you were half as clever as you think you are you could understand that simple fact.

 

[westwall]

Bullcrap. Gulags and concentration camps are the result of a collectivist government run amuck. You political revisionists try and rewrite history but Stalin was not a "conservative" no matter how hard you try and warp your brain around that bit of rationalization. You're just simply full of crap. And you know it. Soviet Russia was a collectivist totalitarian government. No matter how you twist yourself up in knots that is a simple fact.

Liberals tend to support democracy. Conservatives tend to fear, or abhor, democracy (at least their sense of it)

calling it 'mob rule'.

The 'mob' though that they refer to is? The common man, the beneficiaries of universal suffrage, the People.

Conservatives want to limit democracy in any manner they can contrive that will give conservatives an advantage.

Pure Democracy IS mob rule. That's why the Founders, in their wisdom set this country up as a Constitutional Republic so that the rights of the individual were as protected as possible. Just think, were this a Democracy, the votes would go totally against gay marriage. Most, if not all of the laws that have been passed were voted on by the public. The laws have been changed via judicial fiat, which is wrong, but ultimately the correct result has occurred. Were those protections not memorialized, the gay rights movement would be totally, and utterly screwed.

Thank heaven the Founders foresaw that, and planned accordingly.

Turn off the Putin news channel...

Turn on your brain. The vote total in California...CALIFORNIA! was 52% to 48% AGAINST gay marriage. So, in other words, in THE most gay friendly state, in the US, the gay vote lost.

http://www.thetaskforce.org/static_html/downloads/reports/reports/pi_prop8_1_6_09.pdf

2009 is the "ice Age"

Polls are cute. What matters is what happens in the voting booth and so far the gay rights groups have always lost that vote. They have had to petition the Courts to overturn every gay marriage proposal or challenge anti gay marriage laws. The COURTS are fighting the good fight, but the popular vote is still against them.

 

[Bfgrn]

Liberals tend to support democracy. Conservatives tend to fear, or abhor, democracy (at least their sense of it)

calling it 'mob rule'.

The 'mob' though that they refer to is? The common man, the beneficiaries of universal suffrage, the People.

Conservatives want to limit democracy in any manner they can contrive that will give conservatives an advantage.

Pure Democracy IS mob rule. That's why the Founders, in their wisdom set this country up as a Constitutional Republic so that the rights of the individual were as protected as possible. Just think, were this a Democracy, the votes would go totally against gay marriage. Most, if not all of the laws that have been passed were voted on by the public. The laws have been changed via judicial fiat, which is wrong, but ultimately the correct result has occurred. Were those protections not memorialized, the gay rights movement would be totally, and utterly screwed.

Thank heaven the Founders foresaw that, and planned accordingly.

Turn off the Putin news channel...

Turn on your brain. The vote total in California...CALIFORNIA! was 52% to 48% AGAINST gay marriage. So, in other words, in THE most gay friendly state, in the US, the gay vote lost.

http://www.thetaskforce.org/static_html/downloads/reports/reports/pi_prop8_1_6_09.pdf

2009 is the "ice Age"

Polls are cute. What matters is what happens in the voting booth and so far the gay rights groups have always lost that vote. They have had to petition the Courts to overturn every gay marriage proposal or challenge anti gay marriage laws. The COURTS are fighting the good fight, but the popular vote is still against them.

Polls are PEOPLE idiot. Even young Republicans support gay marriage.

 

[Bfgrn]

Putin is a fucking scumbag trying to rebuild the Soviet Union with tactics from the 1930's.

And who might that be?

 

[The Rabbi]

Pure Democracy IS mob rule. That's why the Founders, in their wisdom set this country up as a Constitutional Republic so that the rights of the individual were as protected as possible. Just think, were this a Democracy, the votes would go totally against gay marriage. Most, if not all of the laws that have been passed were voted on by the public. The laws have been changed via judicial fiat, which is wrong, but ultimately the correct result has occurred. Were those protections not memorialized, the gay rights movement would be totally, and utterly screwed.

Thank heaven the Founders foresaw that, and planned accordingly.

Turn off the Putin news channel...

Turn on your brain. The vote total in California...CALIFORNIA! was 52% to 48% AGAINST gay marriage. So, in other words, in THE most gay friendly state, in the US, the gay vote lost.

http://www.thetaskforce.org/static_html/downloads/reports/reports/pi_prop8_1_6_09.pdf

2009 is the "ice Age"

Polls are cute. What matters is what happens in the voting booth and so far the gay rights groups have always lost that vote. They have had to petition the Courts to overturn every gay marriage proposal or challenge anti gay marriage laws. The COURTS are fighting the good fight, but the popular vote is still against them.

Polls are PEOPLE idiot. Even young Republicans support gay marriage.

This country isnt run by polls, moron. It's run by votes at the ballot box. And those votes show people dont want no faggot marriages.

 

[JoeB131]

Libertarians confuse "Freedom" as the ability of those with money to abuse those without money. They like getting abused by the Koch Brothers.

 

[JoeB131]

This country isnt run by polls, moron. It's run by votes at the ballot box. And those votes show people dont want no faggot marriages.

Yet, oddly, no one on your side is really talking about this issue anymore.

Hey, where was the big pro-marriage protests? Oh, that's right. They didn't happen.

You've lost this issue. Deal with it.

 

[Iceweasel]

Capitalism where the rich use the work of the poor to get richer and keep the poor,poor. Simple as that.

Simple people need simple answers. Most workers aren't poor and most capitalists aren't rich. Go back to HuffPo.

 

[Iceweasel]

Socialism has concern for the common good. Capitalism doesn't. End of story.

But the elites decide what good means in socialist governments and often (always?) fail. In capitalism, people are free to define what good is for themselves and usually succeed. If your household is pulling in 35k annually, you are in the 1% of the world. Our standard of living far exceeds most places on Earth and still outdoes everyone else. It was capitalism that got us there, not socialism.

 

[JoeB131]

But the elites decide what good means in socialist governments and often (always?) fail. In capitalism, people are free to define what good is for themselves and usually succeed. If your household is pulling in 35k annually, you are in the 1% of the world. Our standard of living far exceeds most places on Earth and still outdoes everyone else. It was capitalism that got us there, not socialism.

Then why is it that we have a lower standard of living than Japan or those European Socialist countries?

 

[Iceweasel]

Polls are PEOPLE idiot. Even young Republicans support gay marriage.

Young people are very influenced by their peer and highly susceptible to propaganda. We learn to see through bullshit when we gain life experiences. At least those of us that mature, liberals think it's cute to stay immature.

 

[JoeB131]

Polls are PEOPLE idiot. Even young Republicans support gay marriage.

Young people are very influenced by their peer and highly susceptible to propaganda. We learn to see through bullshit when we gain life experiences. At least those of us that mature, liberals think it's cute to stay immature.

So I am still awaiting for you to enlighten us all as to why gay marriage would be a bad thing.

Because most of your arguments boil down to "I think it's icky" and "My Imaginary Sky Pixie says it's bad."

 

[NYcarbineer]

Socialism has concern for the common good. Capitalism doesn't. End of story.

But the elites decide what good means in socialist governments and often (always?) fail. In capitalism, people are free to define what good is for themselves and usually succeed. If your household is pulling in 35k annually, you are in the 1% of the world. Our standard of living far exceeds most places on Earth and still outdoes everyone else. It was capitalism that got us there, not socialism.

You ignore how much socialism has been legislated into the US since the 19th century.

 

[kaz]

We, as people, and not baboons, engage in a social contract when we decide to live together within a community. One of the jobs of government is to provide for the common defense. You or I can sit at our homestead and guard our property all day long, and all night long. Won't get too much work done in a situation like that though. Will we? So we contract with government to provide an Army to guard our borders. We also charge the government to do a whole host of things that are neccessary, like building roads, providing a mail service etc.

Someone a long time ago told me that "nobody gets nothin' fer free" so as part of the contract with the government is the ability for it to levy taxes that are used to pay for the services that provide for our common defense.

There is loads of abuse going on, don't get me wrong, but the social contract, and the necessary method of paying for it is both well known, logical, and proper.

Hmm... I get it now!



Yes, there are Marxists and anarchists. That always cracks me up, nicely played.

Dude, defense, police, bridges are not collectivism. I am a small government libertarian and I support those and I am definitely not a collectivist. Those are basic to any government that isn't anarchist. Collectivism in the confiscation and ... wait for it ... redistribution ... of money. That was the question. "So what in your mind justifies government taking property by force from one citizen and giving it to another citizen?" Seriously, by collectivism you meant defense and bridges? Seriously?

Absolutely they are. COLLECTIVELY we all pay for them. Collectivism gone too far is what you are cautioning against, and rightly so, while the progressives here demand the collectivization of this country because they are either lazy, or incompetent, or because they think they will be a part of the ruling class so are thus elitists.

The logical fallacy you just committed is called "equivocation." You redefined "collective." You should Google collectivism so you stop using it wrong on political message boards. On the bright side, i'm glad you're not actually advocating collectivism. This is why I asked you to come down from 50K feet, you didn't sound like a collectivist when you said you were.

 

[kaz]

Polls are PEOPLE idiot. Even young Republicans support gay marriage.

Young people are very influenced by their peer and highly susceptible to propaganda. We learn to see through bullshit when we gain life experiences. At least those of us that mature, liberals think it's cute to stay immature.

So I am still awaiting for you to enlighten us all as to why gay marriage would be a bad thing.

Because most of your arguments boil down to "I think it's icky" and "My Imaginary Sky Pixie says it's bad."

All government marriage is bad. Government should treat all it's citizens the same. Gay government marriage expands that inequity.