The difference between capitalism and socialism in a nutshell

[Uncensored2008]

Projection. If you can't discuss economics rationally then don't bother.

Economics?

ROFL

Yeah, I'm sure you would think NPV is "new pussy videos."

 

[westwall]

Different ways of going for shares of the same pie.

One based on ambition, another on envy.

One based on greed, and one on human decency

Socialism is pure greed, that's for sure. Capitalism is based on mutual respect where you respect the property of others, and they respect your property, so I see your point

Oh please capitalism isn't greedy? Because of capitalism a couple dozen of the richest people own half of the world's wealth and the middle class here is shrinking.

Capitalism is keeping what you earned, socialism is taking what someone else earned with force. The greed in that dynamic is clear.

Capitialism is "I got mine. Fuck the rest"

The rest being the 99%.

Untrue, there are plenty of small corporations out there that work hard to keep people employed. the large, multinational corporations buy the politicians in their area and try and drive the small corporations out of business. They are far, far from the 1% but you silly people lump them in the true 1%.

You have to think farther than the end of your nose.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Did you know many of our foods contain carcinogenics? I bet you most consumers don't know that....

and the Nazi elites in govt do and would protect us if only we would empower them to save us from our profound ignorance?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Projection. If you can't discuss economics rationally then don't bother.

Economics?

ROFL

Yeah, I'm sure you would think NPV is "new pussy videos."

Let's see if we can manage to get to GDP here eh? And so far, not a chance.

 

[Billy000]

Did you know many of our foods contain carcinogenics? I bet you most consumers don't know that....

and the Nazi elites in govt do and would protect us if only we would empower them? to save us?

Lol who are these nazi elites you refer to?

 

[BluesLegend]

Without governing laws, consumers can be easily fooled by what they are buying.

Riiight without government consumers might fall for fraud like, "if you like your plan and your doctor you can keep them, period" or "families will save $2,500 a year on health insurance" good thing we have government to protect us /sarcasm

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Without governing laws, consumers can be easily fooled by what they are buying.

Riiight without government consumers might fall for fraud like, "if you like your plan and your doctor you can keep them, period" or "families will save $2,500 a year on health insurance" good thing we have government to protect us /sarcasm

Yes Hitler Stalin and Mao had good government laws too!!
What were our genius Founders thinking when they gave us so much freedom from big liberal govt!!

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Lol who are these nazi elites you refer to?

dear, our liberals spied for Hitler and Stalin and still often support Castro!!

Norman Thomas quotes:

The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.


This was precisely the tactic of “infiltration” advocated by Lenin and Stalin.[3] As Communist International General Secretary Georgi Dimitroff told the Seventh World Congress of the Comintern in 1935:

"Comrades, you remember the ancient tale of the capture of Troy. Troy was inaccessible to the armies attacking her, thanks to her impregnable walls. And the attacking army, after suffering many sacrifices, was unable to achieve victory until, with the aid of the famous Trojan horse, it managed to penetrate to the very heart of the enemy’s camp."[4]

C. S. Lewis on Diabolical Democracy Socialism and Public Education Conservative Colloquium


Buckley endorsed Chambers’ analysis of modern liberalism as a watered-down version of Communist ideology. The New Deal, Chambers insists, is not liberal democratic but “revolutionary” in its nature and intentions, seeking “a basic change in the social and, above all, the power relationships within the nation.”

"I am for socialism, disarmament, and, ultimately, for abolishing the state itself... I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and the sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal."
--- Roger Nash Baldwin

 

[Contumacious]

Capitialism is "I got mine. Fuck the rest"

The rest being the 99%.

of course capitalism is about loving or pleasing your customers more than anyone else in the world, not saying, fuck you to them.

It is astounding how stupid liberalism is.

Too many capitalist would do ANYTHING for the sake of profit. That includes deceiving the consumer.

Unregulated capitalism is like giving booze, cash, and cars to teenagers, at the very same time.

Pure communistic bullshit.

Capitalism is regulated by the invisible hand of the market place.

NO OTHER REGULATORY MECHANISM IS NEEDED UNLESS YOU ARE A TAX CONSUMING PARASITE.

You should really start with Adam Smith, and then move forward. There's a reason why not a single nation in the world has unregulated capitalism. Find out why that is for yourself, even though I already told you why.

Because in every nation on the face of mother earth the megalomaniac-demagogue /parasitic allegiance will not allow Capitalism to prevail.


How can Capitalism where consumers are allow to democratically vote with their dollars and choose the best product or service be contraindicated.


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[2aguy]

capitalism is great until monopolies arise and kill small business...

Monopolies aren't capitalism....they come from central planning....government collusion with certain businesses.....not what capitalism is about....

 

[2aguy]

In a nutshell: pure capitalism is an economic system with no moral compass and a view of workers as nothing more than machinary, pure socialism is an economic system with no individual incentives to do better, improve productivity or create something new.

Well no.
No economic system has a moral compass. People have a moral compass.

Economic systems are made of of people however.

Capitalism produces opportunities for people to do better for themselves, and in doing so they do better for others as well.

I think that's the theory but the reality doesn't work that way because human nature is involved. Some of the worst abuses have occurred under unrestricted capitalism - sweat shops, triangle shirtwaist factory fire etc - those abuse's didn't stop on their own do to the kindness of the owners, human life is cheap in that kind of society. They stopped because of compulsion - via government regulation.

Socialism produces opportunities for poltiicians and bureaucrats to dole out favors to their friends,cronies, and supporters.

Socialism forces a moral compass on the process by creating safety nets and making the rights of workers as important as the rights of employers.

Using your logic capitalism produces opportunities for the rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer.

Socialism fails every single time. Capitalism succeeds every single time.

I disagree.

As an economic system pure socialism fail in practice because it offers no incentives for the individual to work harder, be innovative or take risks.
As an economic system pure capitalism fails in practice because it encourages the cheapening of human rights and rewards a few very highly at the expense of the many.

In my opinion - a blend of the two is the best because each tends to assume that humane nature is better than it really is.

Ummm...the absolute worst abuses occurred under socialism......about 100 million people murdered under socialist regimes...slave labor.....work camps......

 

[2aguy]

There are aspects of Socialism that augment and safeguard the citizens without hampering Capitalism. That's what makes arguments against Socialism, like yours which presents either Communism (state control of industry) and Fascism (government directives to industry concerning production) utterly moot.

Yet using your definitions, the democratic party promotes and institutes fascism in every instance they have power. Obama's fascist care is a prime example. As you said, government directives to industry concerning production - the very definition of the ACA.

So the democrats are a fascist party and seek to expand fascism.

Are safety standards for automobiles Fascist in your eyes? The government mandates that industry adhere to certain standards. Has the ACA torn control of the insurance industry? Are underwriters still providing coverage?

I think you have the ACA confused with single payer.

The government is doing it's job within certain limits.....safety standards....if the customer has a choice as to what level of safety they want...yes.....mandating all vehicles be 100% safe from all accidents no......the affordable care act is going to really surprise people........they don't know how screwed they are yet...they kept pushing back the worst of it to get past the election.....

 

[Muhammed]

Where do you get this muck from? Sweden is Socialist, a Mixed Economy actually, and do you think life sucks there? It doesn't.

Where did I say "life sucks?" I can't find that part

Paint gets defensive----forgive him

Paint gets pissed off at Americans who are as clueless about economics and they are about anything else that isn't football.

Paint gets pissed off at Americans who are as clueless about economics and they are about anything else that isn't football.

Yet Paint can't point to anything specific and what Paint said in that post didn't address anything I said. Does Paint get it now?

Paint is tired of people starting a thread who believe they know what they are talking about, when they don't.

Yet in post after post on said thread, Paint can't say why exactly it's wrong. Paint can only quote paraphrases demonstrating Paint's lack of knowledge of the English language and make sweeping statements. kaz was specific in the post for idiots like Paint who don't know what capitalism and socialism are. Maybe Paint could man up to the argument and stop his normal spamfest for all the threads Paint is in. Does Paint get it now?

Paint is on my ignore list for consistently posting wrong, ignorant, insulting and stupid crap. He is a waste of time.

Little bunnies should run away, that's what they do when predators appear. I use fluffy bunnies to wipe my ass.

I doubt that. You probably wipe your ass every day with toilet paper produced by Koch Industries.

 

[Contumacious]

capitalism is great until monopolies arise and kill small business...

Monopolies aren't capitalism....they come from central planning....government collusion with certain businesses.....not what capitalism is about....

There are two types of monopolies.

But COERCIVE monopolies are created by state laws,ie, by force, not the market place.


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[kaz]

We, as people, and not baboons, engage in a social contract when we decide to live together within a community. One of the jobs of government is to provide for the common defense. You or I can sit at our homestead and guard our property all day long, and all night long. Won't get too much work done in a situation like that though. Will we? So we contract with government to provide an Army to guard our borders. We also charge the government to do a whole host of things that are neccessary, like building roads, providing a mail service etc.

Someone a long time ago told me that "nobody gets nothin' fer free" so as part of the contract with the government is the ability for it to levy taxes that are used to pay for the services that provide for our common defense.

There is loads of abuse going on, don't get me wrong, but the social contract, and the necessary method of paying for it is both well known, logical, and proper.

Hmm... I get it now!



Yes, there are Marxists and anarchists. That always cracks me up, nicely played.

Dude, defense, police, bridges are not collectivism. I am a small government libertarian and I support those and I am definitely not a collectivist. Those are basic to any government that isn't anarchist. Collectivism in the confiscation and ... wait for it ... redistribution ... of money. That was the question. "So what in your mind justifies government taking property by force from one citizen and giving it to another citizen?" Seriously, by collectivism you meant defense and bridges? Seriously?

 

[kaz]

Capitialism is "I got mine. Fuck the rest"

The rest being the 99%.

Socialism is you have more than I do, government needs to take it by force and give it to me.

 

[Preacher]

Capitalism where the rich use the work of the poor to get richer and keep the poor,poor. Simple as that.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Where do you get this muck from? Sweden is Socialist, a Mixed Economy actually, and do you think life sucks there? It doesn't.

Sweden, 9.6MM people 90% White and 87% Lutheran?

That Sweden?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Where do you get this muck from? Sweden is Socialist, a Mixed Economy actually, and do you think life sucks there? It doesn't.

Sweden, 9.6MM people 90% White and 87% Lutheran?

That Sweden?

That is correct, but race has nothing to do with having a decent and honorable economic system.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Where do you get this muck from? Sweden is Socialist, a Mixed Economy actually, and do you think life sucks there? It doesn't.

Where did I say "life sucks?" I can't find that part

Paint gets defensive----forgive him

Paint gets pissed off at Americans who are as clueless about economics and they are about anything else that isn't football.

Yet Paint can't point to anything specific and what Paint said in that post didn't address anything I said. Does Paint get it now?

Paint is tired of people starting a thread who believe they know what they are talking about, when they don't.

Yet in post after post on said thread, Paint can't say why exactly it's wrong. Paint can only quote paraphrases demonstrating Paint's lack of knowledge of the English language and make sweeping statements. kaz was specific in the post for idiots like Paint who don't know what capitalism and socialism are. Maybe Paint could man up to the argument and stop his normal spamfest for all the threads Paint is in. Does Paint get it now?

Paint is on my ignore list for consistently posting wrong, ignorant, insulting and stupid crap. He is a waste of time.

Little bunnies should run away, that's what they do when predators appear. I use fluffy bunnies to wipe my ass.

I doubt that. You probably wipe your ass every day with toilet paper produced by Koch Industries.

That is certainly possible since I care very little who makes it, as long the quality is right. In all honestly, that is a lousy way to clean your ass eh? But, it's the way it is now.