The Devil in the Universal Background check details...loan a gun to friend, become a felon....

[2aguy]

So...you are at a range practicing with your gun and your buddy says..."Hey, let me take a couple of shots with that, I have been thinking about buying one..." The second you hand it to him, you are both felons......which means that you can be arrested, you will be placed in a jail, you will require a lawyer and all the fees......if you are convicted, and there is no reason to think you wouldn't be since you did give a gun to someone without a background check, you will be a felon, lose your job, you will lose the ability to hold another real job, you will possibly lose your home....

All because you allowed a friend to shoot one of your guns, at the range without a background check...

This is one of the reasons anti-gunners want this so bad....like bill clinton wanting to fly to Epstein's island....

Punishing and destroying normal gun owners...

Textual analysis of HR8, bill to "To require a background check for every firearm sale"

Summary

HR8 requires that loans, gifts, and sales of firearms be processed by a gun store. The same fees, paperwork, and permanent record-keeping apply as to buying a new gun from the store.

If you loan a gun to a friend without going to the gun store, the penalty is the same as for knowingly selling a gun to a convicted violent felon.

Likewise, when the friend returns the gun, another trip to the gun store is necessary, upon pain of felony.

A clever trick in HR8 effectively bans handguns for persons 18-to20.

The bill has some narrow exemptions. The minuscule exemption for self-defense does not cover stalking victims. None of the exemptions cover farming and ranching, sharing guns on almost all public and private lands, or storing guns with friends while on vacation. The limited exemption for family excludes first cousins and in-laws.

And this......they love this...

The bill authorizes unlimited fees to be imposed by
regulation.
-----

The narrowness of the self-defense exemption endangers domestic violence victims. For example, a former domestic partner threatens a woman and her children. An attack might come in the next hour, or the next month, or never. The victim and her children cannot know. Because the attack is uncertain—and is certainly not "immediate"—the woman cannot borrow a handgun from a neighbor for her defense. Many domestic violence victims do not have several hundred spare dollars so that they can buy their own gun. Sometimes, threats are manifested at night, when gun stores are not open.
-------

HR8 requires almost all firearms sales and loans to be conducted by a federally-licensed dealer. Because federal law prohibits licensed dealers from transferring handguns to persons under 21 years, HR8 prevents young adults from acquiring handguns. This is a clever way to enact a handgun ban indirectly.

HR8 would prohibit a 20-year-old woman who lives on her own from acquiring a handgun for self-defense in her home, such as by buying it from a relative or borrowing it from a friend.
-----

Exorbitant fees may be imposed by regulation

"(3)(A) Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter, the Attorney General may implement this sub-section with regulations."

"(D) Regulations promulgated under this paragraph may not include any provision placing a cap on the fee licensees may charge to facilitate transfers in accordance with paragraph (1)."

Regulators may set a minimum fee, but not "a cap on a fee." The Attorney General is allowed to require that every gun store charge a fee of $30, $50, $150, or more. Even a $20 fee can be a hard burden to a poor person.

------
Family members

You can make a "a loan or bona fide gift" to some family members. In-laws and cousins are excluded.

The family exemption vanishes if one family member pays the other in any way. If a brother trades an extra shotgun to his sister in exchange for her extra television, both of them have to go to a gun store. Their exchange will have all the fees and paperwork as if she were buying a gun from the store.

 

[2aguy]

This is why we don't trust gun grabbers.....and this is why anyone who tells you they don't want to ban all guns is either lying, or is just dumb on the issue.....

 

[2aguy]

This is how stupid this law is...... you go on vacation and want to store your guns with a neighbor....you know...to prevent them from being stolen.......

If you do....you must have a background check for each gun given over to the neighbor or friend, and all the fees and paperwork....twice, because you then have to do the exact same paperwork and fees to take them back...

Safe storage discouraged

Consider a person who will be away from home for an extended period: a member of the armed services being deployed overseas, a person going away to school, a person going on a long vacation, or a person evacuating her home due to a natural disaster. Such persons might wish to store firearms with a trusted neighbor or friend. This type of storage should be encouraged. Guns are less likely to be stolen by burglars, and then sold into the black market, if they are kept in an occupied home rather than left in a house that will be unoccupied.

But under HR8, neighbor A can only store neighbor B's guns if both persons go to a gun store, fill out extensive paperwork for each and every gun to be stored, pay per-gun fees to the government and the gun store, and then repeat the process when the firearms are returned. As a result, many fewer people will go through all the trouble.


So more guns will be left in unoccupied dwellings; they will be at greater risk of being stolen and thus of being supplied to the criminal black market. Discouraging safe storage is among the ways HR8 harms public safety.

 

[satrebil]

Apparently leftists think we can't read.

 

[Taz]

So...you are at a range practicing with your gun and your buddy says..."Hey, let me take a couple of shots with that, I have been thinking about buying one..." The second you hand it to him, you are both felons......which means that you can be arrested, you will be placed in a jail, you will require a lawyer and all the fees......if you are convicted, and there is no reason to think you wouldn't be since you did give a gun to someone without a background check, you will be a felon, lose your job, you will lose the ability to hold another real job, you will possibly lose your home....

All because you allowed a friend to shoot one of your guns, at the range without a background check...

This is one of the reasons anti-gunners want this so bad....like bill clinton wanting to fly to Epstein's island....

Punishing and destroying normal gun owners...

Textual analysis of HR8, bill to "To require a background check for every firearm sale"

Summary

HR8 requires that loans, gifts, and sales of firearms be processed by a gun store. The same fees, paperwork, and permanent record-keeping apply as to buying a new gun from the store.

If you loan a gun to a friend without going to the gun store, the penalty is the same as for knowingly selling a gun to a convicted violent felon.

Likewise, when the friend returns the gun, another trip to the gun store is necessary, upon pain of felony.

A clever trick in HR8 effectively bans handguns for persons 18-to20.

The bill has some narrow exemptions. The minuscule exemption for self-defense does not cover stalking victims. None of the exemptions cover farming and ranching, sharing guns on almost all public and private lands, or storing guns with friends while on vacation. The limited exemption for family excludes first cousins and in-laws.

And this......they love this...

The bill authorizes unlimited fees to be imposed by
regulation.
-----

The narrowness of the self-defense exemption endangers domestic violence victims. For example, a former domestic partner threatens a woman and her children. An attack might come in the next hour, or the next month, or never. The victim and her children cannot know. Because the attack is uncertain—and is certainly not "immediate"—the woman cannot borrow a handgun from a neighbor for her defense. Many domestic violence victims do not have several hundred spare dollars so that they can buy their own gun. Sometimes, threats are manifested at night, when gun stores are not open.
-------

HR8 requires almost all firearms sales and loans to be conducted by a federally-licensed dealer. Because federal law prohibits licensed dealers from transferring handguns to persons under 21 years, HR8 prevents young adults from acquiring handguns. This is a clever way to enact a handgun ban indirectly.

HR8 would prohibit a 20-year-old woman who lives on her own from acquiring a handgun for self-defense in her home, such as by buying it from a relative or borrowing it from a friend.
-----

Exorbitant fees may be imposed by regulation

"(3)(A) Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter, the Attorney General may implement this sub-section with regulations."

"(D) Regulations promulgated under this paragraph may not include any provision placing a cap on the fee licensees may charge to facilitate transfers in accordance with paragraph (1)."

Regulators may set a minimum fee, but not "a cap on a fee." The Attorney General is allowed to require that every gun store charge a fee of $30, $50, $150, or more. Even a $20 fee can be a hard burden to a poor person.

------
Family members

You can make a "a loan or bona fide gift" to some family members. In-laws and cousins are excluded.

The family exemption vanishes if one family member pays the other in any way. If a brother trades an extra shotgun to his sister in exchange for her extra television, both of them have to go to a gun store. Their exchange will have all the fees and paperwork as if she were buying a gun from the store.

Actually, it's a good idea. People should be responsible for their guns.

 

[toobfreak]

The Devil in the Universal Background check details...

Let's be honest, 2A, the Left has no ability nor desire to actually curb violence. Laws have no effect over criminals. Every effort for "sensible" gun laws therefore is aimed at taking guns out of the hands of the only people they CAN affect: legal, law-abiding gun owners, BY FAR, the vast repository of firearms in this country.

THEY DON'T LIKE US HAVING GUNS because we can resist THEM.

 

[RodISHI]

So...you are at a range practicing with your gun and your buddy says..."Hey, let me take a couple of shots with that, I have been thinking about buying one..." The second you hand it to him, you are both felons......which means that you can be arrested, you will be placed in a jail, you will require a lawyer and all the fees......if you are convicted, and there is no reason to think you wouldn't be since you did give a gun to someone without a background check, you will be a felon, lose your job, you will lose the ability to hold another real job, you will possibly lose your home....

All because you allowed a friend to shoot one of your guns, at the range without a background check...

This is one of the reasons anti-gunners want this so bad....like bill clinton wanting to fly to Epstein's island....

Punishing and destroying normal gun owners...

Textual analysis of HR8, bill to "To require a background check for every firearm sale"

Summary

HR8 requires that loans, gifts, and sales of firearms be processed by a gun store. The same fees, paperwork, and permanent record-keeping apply as to buying a new gun from the store.

If you loan a gun to a friend without going to the gun store, the penalty is the same as for knowingly selling a gun to a convicted violent felon.

Likewise, when the friend returns the gun, another trip to the gun store is necessary, upon pain of felony.

A clever trick in HR8 effectively bans handguns for persons 18-to20.

The bill has some narrow exemptions. The minuscule exemption for self-defense does not cover stalking victims. None of the exemptions cover farming and ranching, sharing guns on almost all public and private lands, or storing guns with friends while on vacation. The limited exemption for family excludes first cousins and in-laws.

And this......they love this...

The bill authorizes unlimited fees to be imposed by
regulation.
-----

The narrowness of the self-defense exemption endangers domestic violence victims. For example, a former domestic partner threatens a woman and her children. An attack might come in the next hour, or the next month, or never. The victim and her children cannot know. Because the attack is uncertain—and is certainly not "immediate"—the woman cannot borrow a handgun from a neighbor for her defense. Many domestic violence victims do not have several hundred spare dollars so that they can buy their own gun. Sometimes, threats are manifested at night, when gun stores are not open.
-------

HR8 requires almost all firearms sales and loans to be conducted by a federally-licensed dealer. Because federal law prohibits licensed dealers from transferring handguns to persons under 21 years, HR8 prevents young adults from acquiring handguns. This is a clever way to enact a handgun ban indirectly.

HR8 would prohibit a 20-year-old woman who lives on her own from acquiring a handgun for self-defense in her home, such as by buying it from a relative or borrowing it from a friend.
-----

Exorbitant fees may be imposed by regulation

"(3)(A) Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter, the Attorney General may implement this sub-section with regulations."

"(D) Regulations promulgated under this paragraph may not include any provision placing a cap on the fee licensees may charge to facilitate transfers in accordance with paragraph (1)."

Regulators may set a minimum fee, but not "a cap on a fee." The Attorney General is allowed to require that every gun store charge a fee of $30, $50, $150, or more. Even a $20 fee can be a hard burden to a poor person.

------
Family members

You can make a "a loan or bona fide gift" to some family members. In-laws and cousins are excluded.

The family exemption vanishes if one family member pays the other in any way. If a brother trades an extra shotgun to his sister in exchange for her extra television, both of them have to go to a gun store. Their exchange will have all the fees and paperwork as if she were buying a gun from the store.

This ridiculous shit needs to be halted. A friend loaned us a shotgun to get rid of a large snake in the pond that was aggressive towards me when I was fishing. Another loaned a shotgun for a bit because we had coyotes coming up near the house where the little cats are. This would make our friends criminals for not doing a bunch of asinine paperwork???? What utter nonsense.

 

[2aguy]

The Devil in the Universal Background check details...

Let's be honest, 2A, the Left has no ability nor desire to actually curb violence. Laws have no effect over criminals. Every effort for "sensible" gun laws therefore is aimed at taking guns out of the hands of the only people they CAN affect: legal, law-abiding gun owners, BY FAR, the vast repository of firearms in this country.

THEY DON'T LIKE US HAVING GUNS because we can resist THEM.

Totally agree.....but it is good to get this crap out in public where people can try to inform other gun owners, the ones who aren' aware of the extremism of the anti-gun nut, who think that the words, "universal background check," sound good and normal....when in reality they are the inches and yards in this battle for freedom.

 

[satrebil]

So...you are at a range practicing with your gun and your buddy says..."Hey, let me take a couple of shots with that, I have been thinking about buying one..." The second you hand it to him, you are both felons......which means that you can be arrested, you will be placed in a jail, you will require a lawyer and all the fees......if you are convicted, and there is no reason to think you wouldn't be since you did give a gun to someone without a background check, you will be a felon, lose your job, you will lose the ability to hold another real job, you will possibly lose your home....

All because you allowed a friend to shoot one of your guns, at the range without a background check...

This is one of the reasons anti-gunners want this so bad....like bill clinton wanting to fly to Epstein's island....

Punishing and destroying normal gun owners...

Textual analysis of HR8, bill to "To require a background check for every firearm sale"

Summary

HR8 requires that loans, gifts, and sales of firearms be processed by a gun store. The same fees, paperwork, and permanent record-keeping apply as to buying a new gun from the store.

If you loan a gun to a friend without going to the gun store, the penalty is the same as for knowingly selling a gun to a convicted violent felon.

Likewise, when the friend returns the gun, another trip to the gun store is necessary, upon pain of felony.

A clever trick in HR8 effectively bans handguns for persons 18-to20.

The bill has some narrow exemptions. The minuscule exemption for self-defense does not cover stalking victims. None of the exemptions cover farming and ranching, sharing guns on almost all public and private lands, or storing guns with friends while on vacation. The limited exemption for family excludes first cousins and in-laws.

And this......they love this...

The bill authorizes unlimited fees to be imposed by
regulation.
-----

The narrowness of the self-defense exemption endangers domestic violence victims. For example, a former domestic partner threatens a woman and her children. An attack might come in the next hour, or the next month, or never. The victim and her children cannot know. Because the attack is uncertain—and is certainly not "immediate"—the woman cannot borrow a handgun from a neighbor for her defense. Many domestic violence victims do not have several hundred spare dollars so that they can buy their own gun. Sometimes, threats are manifested at night, when gun stores are not open.
-------

HR8 requires almost all firearms sales and loans to be conducted by a federally-licensed dealer. Because federal law prohibits licensed dealers from transferring handguns to persons under 21 years, HR8 prevents young adults from acquiring handguns. This is a clever way to enact a handgun ban indirectly.

HR8 would prohibit a 20-year-old woman who lives on her own from acquiring a handgun for self-defense in her home, such as by buying it from a relative or borrowing it from a friend.
-----

Exorbitant fees may be imposed by regulation

"(3)(A) Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter, the Attorney General may implement this sub-section with regulations."

"(D) Regulations promulgated under this paragraph may not include any provision placing a cap on the fee licensees may charge to facilitate transfers in accordance with paragraph (1)."

Regulators may set a minimum fee, but not "a cap on a fee." The Attorney General is allowed to require that every gun store charge a fee of $30, $50, $150, or more. Even a $20 fee can be a hard burden to a poor person.

------
Family members

You can make a "a loan or bona fide gift" to some family members. In-laws and cousins are excluded.

The family exemption vanishes if one family member pays the other in any way. If a brother trades an extra shotgun to his sister in exchange for her extra television, both of them have to go to a gun store. Their exchange will have all the fees and paperwork as if she were buying a gun from the store.

Actually, it's a good idea. People should be responsible for their guns.

You didn't read a fucking sentence of that post, did you.

 

[toobfreak]

who think that the words, "universal background check," sound good and normal.....

It is always a matter of using good sounding, poll-tested euphemisms that on the one hand they can say: "How can you be against that?!" While on the other hand, actually intending the EXACT OPPOSITE of what they sound like they mean.

One of my favorite: "It is only FOR THE CHILDREN." How can you be against protecting the poor children?????

 

[RodISHI]

It is time to get rid of politicians, judges, and bureaucrats that desire to punish everyday citizens for; thought crimes to being good neighbors or friends that may loan you a weapon for getting rid of unwanted critters, hunting, protecting your home or practice shooting. We live in a constitutional republic which guarantees these freedoms not some shithole with monarchs or a duchee where they are special so they get to dictate rules and be protected and paid well by force of taxation of the average citizen. These people that created and are pushing these laws that are inherently flawed and corrupt need to be eliminated from public service as soon as possible. People need to quit falling into the traps of these career politicians and start getting together candidates that aren't just in it for the money and power trips.

It is always a matter of using good sounding, poll-tested euphemisms that on the one hand they can say: "How can you be against that?!" While on the other hand, actually intending the EXACT OPPOSITE of what they sound like they mean.

One of my favorite: "It is only FOR THE CHILDREN." How can you be against protecting the poor children?????

Or how about "it takes a village to raise a child" while all the time they mean 'we are going to brainwash your children or else', And 'we will only steal away a few of them for our sick pleasures'.

 

[Taz]

So...you are at a range practicing with your gun and your buddy says..."Hey, let me take a couple of shots with that, I have been thinking about buying one..." The second you hand it to him, you are both felons......which means that you can be arrested, you will be placed in a jail, you will require a lawyer and all the fees......if you are convicted, and there is no reason to think you wouldn't be since you did give a gun to someone without a background check, you will be a felon, lose your job, you will lose the ability to hold another real job, you will possibly lose your home....

All because you allowed a friend to shoot one of your guns, at the range without a background check...

This is one of the reasons anti-gunners want this so bad....like bill clinton wanting to fly to Epstein's island....

Punishing and destroying normal gun owners...

Textual analysis of HR8, bill to "To require a background check for every firearm sale"

Summary

HR8 requires that loans, gifts, and sales of firearms be processed by a gun store. The same fees, paperwork, and permanent record-keeping apply as to buying a new gun from the store.

If you loan a gun to a friend without going to the gun store, the penalty is the same as for knowingly selling a gun to a convicted violent felon.

Likewise, when the friend returns the gun, another trip to the gun store is necessary, upon pain of felony.

A clever trick in HR8 effectively bans handguns for persons 18-to20.

The bill has some narrow exemptions. The minuscule exemption for self-defense does not cover stalking victims. None of the exemptions cover farming and ranching, sharing guns on almost all public and private lands, or storing guns with friends while on vacation. The limited exemption for family excludes first cousins and in-laws.

And this......they love this...

The bill authorizes unlimited fees to be imposed by
regulation.
-----

The narrowness of the self-defense exemption endangers domestic violence victims. For example, a former domestic partner threatens a woman and her children. An attack might come in the next hour, or the next month, or never. The victim and her children cannot know. Because the attack is uncertain—and is certainly not "immediate"—the woman cannot borrow a handgun from a neighbor for her defense. Many domestic violence victims do not have several hundred spare dollars so that they can buy their own gun. Sometimes, threats are manifested at night, when gun stores are not open.
-------

HR8 requires almost all firearms sales and loans to be conducted by a federally-licensed dealer. Because federal law prohibits licensed dealers from transferring handguns to persons under 21 years, HR8 prevents young adults from acquiring handguns. This is a clever way to enact a handgun ban indirectly.

HR8 would prohibit a 20-year-old woman who lives on her own from acquiring a handgun for self-defense in her home, such as by buying it from a relative or borrowing it from a friend.
-----

Exorbitant fees may be imposed by regulation

"(3)(A) Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter, the Attorney General may implement this sub-section with regulations."

"(D) Regulations promulgated under this paragraph may not include any provision placing a cap on the fee licensees may charge to facilitate transfers in accordance with paragraph (1)."

Regulators may set a minimum fee, but not "a cap on a fee." The Attorney General is allowed to require that every gun store charge a fee of $30, $50, $150, or more. Even a $20 fee can be a hard burden to a poor person.

------
Family members

You can make a "a loan or bona fide gift" to some family members. In-laws and cousins are excluded.

The family exemption vanishes if one family member pays the other in any way. If a brother trades an extra shotgun to his sister in exchange for her extra television, both of them have to go to a gun store. Their exchange will have all the fees and paperwork as if she were buying a gun from the store.

Actually, it's a good idea. People should be responsible for their guns.

You didn't read a fucking sentence of that post, did you.

You don't seem to want to be responsible for your own guns. Why is that?

 

[Taz]

This is how stupid this law is...... you go on vacation and want to store your guns with a neighbor....you know...to prevent them from being stolen.......

If you do....you must have a background check for each gun given over to the neighbor or friend, and all the fees and paperwork....twice, because you then have to do the exact same paperwork and fees to take them back...

Safe storage discouraged

Consider a person who will be away from home for an extended period: a member of the armed services being deployed overseas, a person going away to school, a person going on a long vacation, or a person evacuating her home due to a natural disaster. Such persons might wish to store firearms with a trusted neighbor or friend. This type of storage should be encouraged. Guns are less likely to be stolen by burglars, and then sold into the black market, if they are kept in an occupied home rather than left in a house that will be unoccupied.

But under HR8, neighbor A can only store neighbor B's guns if both persons go to a gun store, fill out extensive paperwork for each and every gun to be stored, pay per-gun fees to the government and the gun store, and then repeat the process when the firearms are returned. As a result, many fewer people will go through all the trouble.


So more guns will be left in unoccupied dwellings; they will be at greater risk of being stolen and thus of being supplied to the criminal black market. Discouraging safe storage is among the ways HR8 harms public safety.

You should store them at a gun store/range or a safety deposit box. Your friend would simply say they were stolen.

 

[satrebil]

So...you are at a range practicing with your gun and your buddy says..."Hey, let me take a couple of shots with that, I have been thinking about buying one..." The second you hand it to him, you are both felons......which means that you can be arrested, you will be placed in a jail, you will require a lawyer and all the fees......if you are convicted, and there is no reason to think you wouldn't be since you did give a gun to someone without a background check, you will be a felon, lose your job, you will lose the ability to hold another real job, you will possibly lose your home....

All because you allowed a friend to shoot one of your guns, at the range without a background check...

This is one of the reasons anti-gunners want this so bad....like bill clinton wanting to fly to Epstein's island....

Punishing and destroying normal gun owners...

Textual analysis of HR8, bill to "To require a background check for every firearm sale"

Summary

HR8 requires that loans, gifts, and sales of firearms be processed by a gun store. The same fees, paperwork, and permanent record-keeping apply as to buying a new gun from the store.

If you loan a gun to a friend without going to the gun store, the penalty is the same as for knowingly selling a gun to a convicted violent felon.

Likewise, when the friend returns the gun, another trip to the gun store is necessary, upon pain of felony.

A clever trick in HR8 effectively bans handguns for persons 18-to20.

The bill has some narrow exemptions. The minuscule exemption for self-defense does not cover stalking victims. None of the exemptions cover farming and ranching, sharing guns on almost all public and private lands, or storing guns with friends while on vacation. The limited exemption for family excludes first cousins and in-laws.

And this......they love this...

The bill authorizes unlimited fees to be imposed by
regulation.
-----

The narrowness of the self-defense exemption endangers domestic violence victims. For example, a former domestic partner threatens a woman and her children. An attack might come in the next hour, or the next month, or never. The victim and her children cannot know. Because the attack is uncertain—and is certainly not "immediate"—the woman cannot borrow a handgun from a neighbor for her defense. Many domestic violence victims do not have several hundred spare dollars so that they can buy their own gun. Sometimes, threats are manifested at night, when gun stores are not open.
-------

HR8 requires almost all firearms sales and loans to be conducted by a federally-licensed dealer. Because federal law prohibits licensed dealers from transferring handguns to persons under 21 years, HR8 prevents young adults from acquiring handguns. This is a clever way to enact a handgun ban indirectly.

HR8 would prohibit a 20-year-old woman who lives on her own from acquiring a handgun for self-defense in her home, such as by buying it from a relative or borrowing it from a friend.
-----

Exorbitant fees may be imposed by regulation

"(3)(A) Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter, the Attorney General may implement this sub-section with regulations."

"(D) Regulations promulgated under this paragraph may not include any provision placing a cap on the fee licensees may charge to facilitate transfers in accordance with paragraph (1)."

Regulators may set a minimum fee, but not "a cap on a fee." The Attorney General is allowed to require that every gun store charge a fee of $30, $50, $150, or more. Even a $20 fee can be a hard burden to a poor person.

------
Family members

You can make a "a loan or bona fide gift" to some family members. In-laws and cousins are excluded.

The family exemption vanishes if one family member pays the other in any way. If a brother trades an extra shotgun to his sister in exchange for her extra television, both of them have to go to a gun store. Their exchange will have all the fees and paperwork as if she were buying a gun from the store.

Actually, it's a good idea. People should be responsible for their guns.

You didn't read a fucking sentence of that post, did you.

You don't seem to want to be responsible for your own guns. Why is that?

If you think I'm going to pay a fee to borrow my buddy of 20 years a hunting rifle, or have him hang onto my guns while I'm away on a trip, you're a fucking idiot.

 

[gallantwarrior]

So...you are at a range practicing with your gun and your buddy says..."Hey, let me take a couple of shots with that, I have been thinking about buying one..." The second you hand it to him, you are both felons......which means that you can be arrested, you will be placed in a jail, you will require a lawyer and all the fees......if you are convicted, and there is no reason to think you wouldn't be since you did give a gun to someone without a background check, you will be a felon, lose your job, you will lose the ability to hold another real job, you will possibly lose your home....

All because you allowed a friend to shoot one of your guns, at the range without a background check...

This is one of the reasons anti-gunners want this so bad....like bill clinton wanting to fly to Epstein's island....

Punishing and destroying normal gun owners...

Textual analysis of HR8, bill to "To require a background check for every firearm sale"

Summary

HR8 requires that loans, gifts, and sales of firearms be processed by a gun store. The same fees, paperwork, and permanent record-keeping apply as to buying a new gun from the store.

If you loan a gun to a friend without going to the gun store, the penalty is the same as for knowingly selling a gun to a convicted violent felon.

Likewise, when the friend returns the gun, another trip to the gun store is necessary, upon pain of felony.

A clever trick in HR8 effectively bans handguns for persons 18-to20.

The bill has some narrow exemptions. The minuscule exemption for self-defense does not cover stalking victims. None of the exemptions cover farming and ranching, sharing guns on almost all public and private lands, or storing guns with friends while on vacation. The limited exemption for family excludes first cousins and in-laws.

And this......they love this...

The bill authorizes unlimited fees to be imposed by
regulation.
-----

The narrowness of the self-defense exemption endangers domestic violence victims. For example, a former domestic partner threatens a woman and her children. An attack might come in the next hour, or the next month, or never. The victim and her children cannot know. Because the attack is uncertain—and is certainly not "immediate"—the woman cannot borrow a handgun from a neighbor for her defense. Many domestic violence victims do not have several hundred spare dollars so that they can buy their own gun. Sometimes, threats are manifested at night, when gun stores are not open.
-------

HR8 requires almost all firearms sales and loans to be conducted by a federally-licensed dealer. Because federal law prohibits licensed dealers from transferring handguns to persons under 21 years, HR8 prevents young adults from acquiring handguns. This is a clever way to enact a handgun ban indirectly.

HR8 would prohibit a 20-year-old woman who lives on her own from acquiring a handgun for self-defense in her home, such as by buying it from a relative or borrowing it from a friend.
-----

Exorbitant fees may be imposed by regulation

"(3)(A) Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter, the Attorney General may implement this sub-section with regulations."

"(D) Regulations promulgated under this paragraph may not include any provision placing a cap on the fee licensees may charge to facilitate transfers in accordance with paragraph (1)."

Regulators may set a minimum fee, but not "a cap on a fee." The Attorney General is allowed to require that every gun store charge a fee of $30, $50, $150, or more. Even a $20 fee can be a hard burden to a poor person.

------
Family members

You can make a "a loan or bona fide gift" to some family members. In-laws and cousins are excluded.

The family exemption vanishes if one family member pays the other in any way. If a brother trades an extra shotgun to his sister in exchange for her extra television, both of them have to go to a gun store. Their exchange will have all the fees and paperwork as if she were buying a gun from the store.

This ridiculous shit needs to be halted. A friend loaned us a shotgun to get rid of a large snake in the pond that was aggressive towards me when I was fishing. Another loaned a shotgun for a bit because we had coyotes coming up near the house where the little cats are. This would make our friends criminals for not doing a bunch of asinine paperwork???? What utter nonsense.

Not only your neighbors, you too would be a criminal for accepting transfer of the firearms.

 

[gallantwarrior]

So...you are at a range practicing with your gun and your buddy says..."Hey, let me take a couple of shots with that, I have been thinking about buying one..." The second you hand it to him, you are both felons......which means that you can be arrested, you will be placed in a jail, you will require a lawyer and all the fees......if you are convicted, and there is no reason to think you wouldn't be since you did give a gun to someone without a background check, you will be a felon, lose your job, you will lose the ability to hold another real job, you will possibly lose your home....

All because you allowed a friend to shoot one of your guns, at the range without a background check...

This is one of the reasons anti-gunners want this so bad....like bill clinton wanting to fly to Epstein's island....

Punishing and destroying normal gun owners...

Textual analysis of HR8, bill to "To require a background check for every firearm sale"

Summary

HR8 requires that loans, gifts, and sales of firearms be processed by a gun store. The same fees, paperwork, and permanent record-keeping apply as to buying a new gun from the store.

If you loan a gun to a friend without going to the gun store, the penalty is the same as for knowingly selling a gun to a convicted violent felon.

Likewise, when the friend returns the gun, another trip to the gun store is necessary, upon pain of felony.

A clever trick in HR8 effectively bans handguns for persons 18-to20.

The bill has some narrow exemptions. The minuscule exemption for self-defense does not cover stalking victims. None of the exemptions cover farming and ranching, sharing guns on almost all public and private lands, or storing guns with friends while on vacation. The limited exemption for family excludes first cousins and in-laws.

And this......they love this...

The bill authorizes unlimited fees to be imposed by
regulation.
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The narrowness of the self-defense exemption endangers domestic violence victims. For example, a former domestic partner threatens a woman and her children. An attack might come in the next hour, or the next month, or never. The victim and her children cannot know. Because the attack is uncertain—and is certainly not "immediate"—the woman cannot borrow a handgun from a neighbor for her defense. Many domestic violence victims do not have several hundred spare dollars so that they can buy their own gun. Sometimes, threats are manifested at night, when gun stores are not open.
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HR8 requires almost all firearms sales and loans to be conducted by a federally-licensed dealer. Because federal law prohibits licensed dealers from transferring handguns to persons under 21 years, HR8 prevents young adults from acquiring handguns. This is a clever way to enact a handgun ban indirectly.

HR8 would prohibit a 20-year-old woman who lives on her own from acquiring a handgun for self-defense in her home, such as by buying it from a relative or borrowing it from a friend.
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Exorbitant fees may be imposed by regulation

"(3)(A) Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter, the Attorney General may implement this sub-section with regulations."

"(D) Regulations promulgated under this paragraph may not include any provision placing a cap on the fee licensees may charge to facilitate transfers in accordance with paragraph (1)."

Regulators may set a minimum fee, but not "a cap on a fee." The Attorney General is allowed to require that every gun store charge a fee of $30, $50, $150, or more. Even a $20 fee can be a hard burden to a poor person.

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Family members

You can make a "a loan or bona fide gift" to some family members. In-laws and cousins are excluded.

The family exemption vanishes if one family member pays the other in any way. If a brother trades an extra shotgun to his sister in exchange for her extra television, both of them have to go to a gun store. Their exchange will have all the fees and paperwork as if she were buying a gun from the store.

Actually, it's a good idea. People should be responsible for their guns.

You didn't read a fucking sentence of that post, did you.

Read? Read? He don't need to stinkin' read. His liberal masters will issue his thoughts, which will subsequently be squawked out like a parrot.

 

[gallantwarrior]

This is how stupid this law is...... you go on vacation and want to store your guns with a neighbor....you know...to prevent them from being stolen.......

If you do....you must have a background check for each gun given over to the neighbor or friend, and all the fees and paperwork....twice, because you then have to do the exact same paperwork and fees to take them back...

Safe storage discouraged

Consider a person who will be away from home for an extended period: a member of the armed services being deployed overseas, a person going away to school, a person going on a long vacation, or a person evacuating her home due to a natural disaster. Such persons might wish to store firearms with a trusted neighbor or friend. This type of storage should be encouraged. Guns are less likely to be stolen by burglars, and then sold into the black market, if they are kept in an occupied home rather than left in a house that will be unoccupied.

But under HR8, neighbor A can only store neighbor B's guns if both persons go to a gun store, fill out extensive paperwork for each and every gun to be stored, pay per-gun fees to the government and the gun store, and then repeat the process when the firearms are returned. As a result, many fewer people will go through all the trouble.


So more guns will be left in unoccupied dwellings; they will be at greater risk of being stolen and thus of being supplied to the criminal black market. Discouraging safe storage is among the ways HR8 harms public safety.

You should store them at a gun store/range or a safety deposit box. Your friend would simply say they were stolen.

You apparently don't own firearms, or have very trustworthy friends.

 

[Taz]

So...you are at a range practicing with your gun and your buddy says..."Hey, let me take a couple of shots with that, I have been thinking about buying one..." The second you hand it to him, you are both felons......which means that you can be arrested, you will be placed in a jail, you will require a lawyer and all the fees......if you are convicted, and there is no reason to think you wouldn't be since you did give a gun to someone without a background check, you will be a felon, lose your job, you will lose the ability to hold another real job, you will possibly lose your home....

All because you allowed a friend to shoot one of your guns, at the range without a background check...

This is one of the reasons anti-gunners want this so bad....like bill clinton wanting to fly to Epstein's island....

Punishing and destroying normal gun owners...

Textual analysis of HR8, bill to "To require a background check for every firearm sale"

Summary

HR8 requires that loans, gifts, and sales of firearms be processed by a gun store. The same fees, paperwork, and permanent record-keeping apply as to buying a new gun from the store.

If you loan a gun to a friend without going to the gun store, the penalty is the same as for knowingly selling a gun to a convicted violent felon.

Likewise, when the friend returns the gun, another trip to the gun store is necessary, upon pain of felony.

A clever trick in HR8 effectively bans handguns for persons 18-to20.

The bill has some narrow exemptions. The minuscule exemption for self-defense does not cover stalking victims. None of the exemptions cover farming and ranching, sharing guns on almost all public and private lands, or storing guns with friends while on vacation. The limited exemption for family excludes first cousins and in-laws.

And this......they love this...

The bill authorizes unlimited fees to be imposed by
regulation.
-----

The narrowness of the self-defense exemption endangers domestic violence victims. For example, a former domestic partner threatens a woman and her children. An attack might come in the next hour, or the next month, or never. The victim and her children cannot know. Because the attack is uncertain—and is certainly not "immediate"—the woman cannot borrow a handgun from a neighbor for her defense. Many domestic violence victims do not have several hundred spare dollars so that they can buy their own gun. Sometimes, threats are manifested at night, when gun stores are not open.
-------

HR8 requires almost all firearms sales and loans to be conducted by a federally-licensed dealer. Because federal law prohibits licensed dealers from transferring handguns to persons under 21 years, HR8 prevents young adults from acquiring handguns. This is a clever way to enact a handgun ban indirectly.

HR8 would prohibit a 20-year-old woman who lives on her own from acquiring a handgun for self-defense in her home, such as by buying it from a relative or borrowing it from a friend.
-----

Exorbitant fees may be imposed by regulation

"(3)(A) Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter, the Attorney General may implement this sub-section with regulations."

"(D) Regulations promulgated under this paragraph may not include any provision placing a cap on the fee licensees may charge to facilitate transfers in accordance with paragraph (1)."

Regulators may set a minimum fee, but not "a cap on a fee." The Attorney General is allowed to require that every gun store charge a fee of $30, $50, $150, or more. Even a $20 fee can be a hard burden to a poor person.

------
Family members

You can make a "a loan or bona fide gift" to some family members. In-laws and cousins are excluded.

The family exemption vanishes if one family member pays the other in any way. If a brother trades an extra shotgun to his sister in exchange for her extra television, both of them have to go to a gun store. Their exchange will have all the fees and paperwork as if she were buying a gun from the store.

Actually, it's a good idea. People should be responsible for their guns.

You didn't read a fucking sentence of that post, did you.

You don't seem to want to be responsible for your own guns. Why is that?

If you think I'm going to pay a fee to borrow my buddy of 20 years a hunting rifle, or have him hang onto my guns while I'm away on a trip, you're a fucking idiot.

Hillbillies don’t want to be responsible for their own guns. Got it.

 

[Taz]

So...you are at a range practicing with your gun and your buddy says..."Hey, let me take a couple of shots with that, I have been thinking about buying one..." The second you hand it to him, you are both felons......which means that you can be arrested, you will be placed in a jail, you will require a lawyer and all the fees......if you are convicted, and there is no reason to think you wouldn't be since you did give a gun to someone without a background check, you will be a felon, lose your job, you will lose the ability to hold another real job, you will possibly lose your home....

All because you allowed a friend to shoot one of your guns, at the range without a background check...

This is one of the reasons anti-gunners want this so bad....like bill clinton wanting to fly to Epstein's island....

Punishing and destroying normal gun owners...

Textual analysis of HR8, bill to "To require a background check for every firearm sale"

Summary

HR8 requires that loans, gifts, and sales of firearms be processed by a gun store. The same fees, paperwork, and permanent record-keeping apply as to buying a new gun from the store.

If you loan a gun to a friend without going to the gun store, the penalty is the same as for knowingly selling a gun to a convicted violent felon.

Likewise, when the friend returns the gun, another trip to the gun store is necessary, upon pain of felony.

A clever trick in HR8 effectively bans handguns for persons 18-to20.

The bill has some narrow exemptions. The minuscule exemption for self-defense does not cover stalking victims. None of the exemptions cover farming and ranching, sharing guns on almost all public and private lands, or storing guns with friends while on vacation. The limited exemption for family excludes first cousins and in-laws.

And this......they love this...

The bill authorizes unlimited fees to be imposed by
regulation.
-----

The narrowness of the self-defense exemption endangers domestic violence victims. For example, a former domestic partner threatens a woman and her children. An attack might come in the next hour, or the next month, or never. The victim and her children cannot know. Because the attack is uncertain—and is certainly not "immediate"—the woman cannot borrow a handgun from a neighbor for her defense. Many domestic violence victims do not have several hundred spare dollars so that they can buy their own gun. Sometimes, threats are manifested at night, when gun stores are not open.
-------

HR8 requires almost all firearms sales and loans to be conducted by a federally-licensed dealer. Because federal law prohibits licensed dealers from transferring handguns to persons under 21 years, HR8 prevents young adults from acquiring handguns. This is a clever way to enact a handgun ban indirectly.

HR8 would prohibit a 20-year-old woman who lives on her own from acquiring a handgun for self-defense in her home, such as by buying it from a relative or borrowing it from a friend.
-----

Exorbitant fees may be imposed by regulation

"(3)(A) Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter, the Attorney General may implement this sub-section with regulations."

"(D) Regulations promulgated under this paragraph may not include any provision placing a cap on the fee licensees may charge to facilitate transfers in accordance with paragraph (1)."

Regulators may set a minimum fee, but not "a cap on a fee." The Attorney General is allowed to require that every gun store charge a fee of $30, $50, $150, or more. Even a $20 fee can be a hard burden to a poor person.

------
Family members

You can make a "a loan or bona fide gift" to some family members. In-laws and cousins are excluded.

The family exemption vanishes if one family member pays the other in any way. If a brother trades an extra shotgun to his sister in exchange for her extra television, both of them have to go to a gun store. Their exchange will have all the fees and paperwork as if she were buying a gun from the store.

Actually, it's a good idea. People should be responsible for their guns.

You didn't read a fucking sentence of that post, did you.

Read? Read? He don't need to stinkin' read. His liberal masters will issue his thoughts, which will subsequently be squawked out like a parrot.

Like you wait for Wayne Lapierre to tell you what to think?

 

[Taz]

This is how stupid this law is...... you go on vacation and want to store your guns with a neighbor....you know...to prevent them from being stolen.......

If you do....you must have a background check for each gun given over to the neighbor or friend, and all the fees and paperwork....twice, because you then have to do the exact same paperwork and fees to take them back...

Safe storage discouraged

Consider a person who will be away from home for an extended period: a member of the armed services being deployed overseas, a person going away to school, a person going on a long vacation, or a person evacuating her home due to a natural disaster. Such persons might wish to store firearms with a trusted neighbor or friend. This type of storage should be encouraged. Guns are less likely to be stolen by burglars, and then sold into the black market, if they are kept in an occupied home rather than left in a house that will be unoccupied.

But under HR8, neighbor A can only store neighbor B's guns if both persons go to a gun store, fill out extensive paperwork for each and every gun to be stored, pay per-gun fees to the government and the gun store, and then repeat the process when the firearms are returned. As a result, many fewer people will go through all the trouble.


So more guns will be left in unoccupied dwellings; they will be at greater risk of being stolen and thus of being supplied to the criminal black market. Discouraging safe storage is among the ways HR8 harms public safety.

You should store them at a gun store/range or a safety deposit box. Your friend would simply say they were stolen.

You apparently don't own firearms, or have very trustworthy friends.

You apparently don’t want to be responsible for your own guns.