The Dems are always for Choice, but not your choice. Mandatory Gun Buybacks, or else?

[August West]

Nobody had a bigger gun give away than the Nazis. Some of the lucky ones got flame throwers and tanks but they all were given snappy looking uniforms. Sorry to kill this thread but the Nazi shit is what really killed it. Does the OP know that Hitler lowered the age for gun ownership and armed millions of Germans? I didn`t think that there was anyone dumb enough to think that Germany overran Europe without weapons. Jeezus!

Yes....and you lie by omission...... the national socialists used the gun registration lists from the 1920s to take guns away from the people they intended to send to the gas chambers....

Had the rest of Europe not confiscated the guns of their people after World War 1....to keep them safe...... the Germans could never have controlled the land they took by conquest..... millions of armed citizens in each country would have made that impossible.....

Such nonsense. Hitler loosened gun law restrictions and you have nothing to support your allegation that the rest of Europe confiscated guns.
Fact-checking Ben Carson's claim that gun control laws allowed the Nazis to carry out Holocaust

What was the state of gun ownership in pre-fascist and fascist Germany and Italy? : AskHistorians

https://www.quora.com/Were-German-c...e-a-disarmed-population-to-imprision-and-kill

You are such a moron, you don't understand the topic...

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/08/france_the_nazis_and_gun_control.html

In 1935, French prime minister Pierre Laval, who later served in the Vichy government during the Nazis' four-year occupation of France, commanded French citizens to surrender their firearms. Laval and France's ruling parties feared social revolution and banned "war" weapons, instituting strict gun registration policies. They believed that repressive limits on civilian gun ownership were necessary at a time of Depression-sparked unrest and ongoing conflicts among various political factions.

Strict time limits for firearms registration and harsh penalties for noncompliance, including forfeiture, fines, and imprisonment, were put in place.

Laval's government did not foresee the impact these restrictive measures would have on a Nazi-conquered France just five years later, when firearms surrender would be required under threat of death.

In Gun Control in Nazi-Occupied France: Tyranny and Resistance, attorney Stephen P. Halbrook explores the impact and efficacy of gun control measures on Wehrmacht-controlled France and how these measures hindered the French Resistance's fight against Nazi tyranny. The author asserts that Laval's 1935 gun control efforts left the French people vulnerable to the Nazi invaders and ill equipped to deal with the Nazi invasion of 1940, plus simplified the Nazi efforts to confiscate firearms and impede a French resistance.

The Fordham (that`s a college with smart people, not gun pussies) is a bit more reliable than American thinker. In any case, Frenchmen with pistols weren`t much of a match for Hitler`s Panzer divisions. Hitler did indeed give millions of guns to German citizens and spiffy uniforms to go with them. They were as likely to turn against Hitler as you are to turn against our terrorist inspiring orange Bin Laden.
https://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4029&=&context=flr&=&sei-redir=1&referer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bing.com%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dfrench%2Bgun%2Bconfiscation%2B1935%2Bfact%2Bcheck%26form%3DEDGTCT%26qs%3DPF%26cvid%3D80969c5183514c3c8f79ad13eaeb2f89%26refig%3D97bb061bcb00426ec311a54b6a9761d0%26cc%3DUS%26setlang%3Den-US%26elv%3DAY3%2521uAY7tbNNZGZ2yiGNjfM1D4q1ghTqpDmgHyZW4Uu9T2vM9XBXApDQJDbYFatg3oJgk3FzWw20eQT4BuSqsdFXJEOli%2Anq%2521bVUjegkz%2521lO%26plvar%3D0%26PC%3DHCTS#search="french gun confiscation 1935 fact check"

Moron...... The very first link I used was your first link...you dope.

And if you can't hold the country, you lose the country, and if you have millions of people with rifles and pistols shooting at your troops whenever they get out of their tanks and planes, you moron, then you can't hold the country......

Millions of people....far more than available in the national socialist army....

No link posted by me said anything about the French and Hitler did give away millions of guns. WTF is wrong with you? Never mind.

 

[2aguy]

Yes....and you lie by omission...... the national socialists used the gun registration lists from the 1920s to take guns away from the people they intended to send to the gas chambers....

Had the rest of Europe not confiscated the guns of their people after World War 1....to keep them safe...... the Germans could never have controlled the land they took by conquest..... millions of armed citizens in each country would have made that impossible.....

Such nonsense. Hitler loosened gun law restrictions and you have nothing to support your allegation that the rest of Europe confiscated guns.
Fact-checking Ben Carson's claim that gun control laws allowed the Nazis to carry out Holocaust

What was the state of gun ownership in pre-fascist and fascist Germany and Italy? : AskHistorians

https://www.quora.com/Were-German-c...e-a-disarmed-population-to-imprision-and-kill

You are such a moron, you don't understand the topic...

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/08/france_the_nazis_and_gun_control.html

In 1935, French prime minister Pierre Laval, who later served in the Vichy government during the Nazis' four-year occupation of France, commanded French citizens to surrender their firearms. Laval and France's ruling parties feared social revolution and banned "war" weapons, instituting strict gun registration policies. They believed that repressive limits on civilian gun ownership were necessary at a time of Depression-sparked unrest and ongoing conflicts among various political factions.

Strict time limits for firearms registration and harsh penalties for noncompliance, including forfeiture, fines, and imprisonment, were put in place.

Laval's government did not foresee the impact these restrictive measures would have on a Nazi-conquered France just five years later, when firearms surrender would be required under threat of death.

In Gun Control in Nazi-Occupied France: Tyranny and Resistance, attorney Stephen P. Halbrook explores the impact and efficacy of gun control measures on Wehrmacht-controlled France and how these measures hindered the French Resistance's fight against Nazi tyranny. The author asserts that Laval's 1935 gun control efforts left the French people vulnerable to the Nazi invaders and ill equipped to deal with the Nazi invasion of 1940, plus simplified the Nazi efforts to confiscate firearms and impede a French resistance.

The Fordham (that`s a college with smart people, not gun pussies) is a bit more reliable than American thinker. In any case, Frenchmen with pistols weren`t much of a match for Hitler`s Panzer divisions. Hitler did indeed give millions of guns to German citizens and spiffy uniforms to go with them. They were as likely to turn against Hitler as you are to turn against our terrorist inspiring orange Bin Laden.
https://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4029&=&context=flr&=&sei-redir=1&referer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bing.com%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dfrench%2Bgun%2Bconfiscation%2B1935%2Bfact%2Bcheck%26form%3DEDGTCT%26qs%3DPF%26cvid%3D80969c5183514c3c8f79ad13eaeb2f89%26refig%3D97bb061bcb00426ec311a54b6a9761d0%26cc%3DUS%26setlang%3Den-US%26elv%3DAY3%2521uAY7tbNNZGZ2yiGNjfM1D4q1ghTqpDmgHyZW4Uu9T2vM9XBXApDQJDbYFatg3oJgk3FzWw20eQT4BuSqsdFXJEOli%2Anq%2521bVUjegkz%2521lO%26plvar%3D0%26PC%3DHCTS#search="french gun confiscation 1935 fact check"

Moron...... The very first link I used was your first link...you dope.

And if you can't hold the country, you lose the country, and if you have millions of people with rifles and pistols shooting at your troops whenever they get out of their tanks and planes, you moron, then you can't hold the country......

Millions of people....far more than available in the national socialist army....

No link posted by me said anything about the French and Hitler did give away millions of guns. WTF is wrong with you? Never mind.

The very first link you posted...you lying asshat....was an article by Poltifact....... and it refutes your entire post.......

 

[2aguy]

Nobody had a bigger gun give away than the Nazis. Some of the lucky ones got flame throwers and tanks but they all were given snappy looking uniforms. Sorry to kill this thread but the Nazi shit is what really killed it. Does the OP know that Hitler lowered the age for gun ownership and armed millions of Germans? I didn`t think that there was anyone dumb enough to think that Germany overran Europe without weapons. Jeezus!

Yes....and you lie by omission...... the national socialists used the gun registration lists from the 1920s to take guns away from the people they intended to send to the gas chambers....

Had the rest of Europe not confiscated the guns of their people after World War 1....to keep them safe...... the Germans could never have controlled the land they took by conquest..... millions of armed citizens in each country would have made that impossible.....

Such nonsense. Hitler loosened gun law restrictions and you have nothing to support your allegation that the rest of Europe confiscated guns.
Fact-checking Ben Carson's claim that gun control laws allowed the Nazis to carry out Holocaust

What was the state of gun ownership in pre-fascist and fascist Germany and Italy? : AskHistorians

https://www.quora.com/Were-German-c...e-a-disarmed-population-to-imprision-and-kill

Here, you asshat.......from your own post...

Such nonsense. Hitler loosened gun law restrictions and you have nothing to support your allegation that the rest of Europe confiscated guns.
Fact-checking Ben Carson's claim that gun control laws allowed the Nazis to carry out Holocaust

From this link.....you mope...


Fact-checking Ben Carson's claim that gun control laws allowed the Nazis to carry out Holocaust

When they came to power, the Nazis used whatever gun records they had to seize weapons from their enemies,

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The regulations to implement this law, rather than the law itself, did impose new limits on one group: Jews.

On Nov. 11, 1938, the German minister of the interior issued "Regulations Against Jews Possession of Weapons." Not only were Jews forbidden to own guns and ammunition, they couldn’t own "truncheons or stabbing weapons."

In addition to the restrictions, Ellerbrock said the Nazis had already been raiding Jewish homes and seizing weapons.

"The gun policy of the Nazis can hardly be compared to the democratic procedures of gun regulations by law," Ellerbrock told us. "It was a kind of special administrative practice (Sonderrecht), which treated people in different ways according to their political opinion or according to ‘racial identity’ in Nazi terms."
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In short, Nazi-era Germany imposed greater gun restrictions for Jews (and other perceived enemies) at the same time it loosened gun restrictions for other groups.

 

[2aguy]

Nobody had a bigger gun give away than the Nazis. Some of the lucky ones got flame throwers and tanks but they all were given snappy looking uniforms. Sorry to kill this thread but the Nazi shit is what really killed it. Does the OP know that Hitler lowered the age for gun ownership and armed millions of Germans? I didn`t think that there was anyone dumb enough to think that Germany overran Europe without weapons. Jeezus!

Yes....and you lie by omission...... the national socialists used the gun registration lists from the 1920s to take guns away from the people they intended to send to the gas chambers....

Had the rest of Europe not confiscated the guns of their people after World War 1....to keep them safe...... the Germans could never have controlled the land they took by conquest..... millions of armed citizens in each country would have made that impossible.....

Such nonsense. Hitler loosened gun law restrictions and you have nothing to support your allegation that the rest of Europe confiscated guns.
Fact-checking Ben Carson's claim that gun control laws allowed the Nazis to carry out Holocaust

What was the state of gun ownership in pre-fascist and fascist Germany and Italy? : AskHistorians

https://www.quora.com/Were-German-c...e-a-disarmed-population-to-imprision-and-kill

From your second link...you freaking doofus...

What was the state of gun ownership in pre-fascist and fascist Germany and Italy? : AskHistorians

Where the Reichswaffengesetz and its Weimar equivalent parted ways was the former's restrictions on gun ownership by individuals deemed subversive to the state.

To an extent, this was a change in degree as the Third Reich was much more explicit about who was a state enemy while the Weimar law was more circumspect.

The Reichswaffengesetz provided a later justification in November 1938 for the Interior Ministry to prohibit Jews from owning any type of dangerous weapon. The Reichswaffengesetz was of a piece with other legislation of the Third Reich: it set up Aryan Germans as a privileged elite, especially those who served the state, while restricting the civil rights of those excluded from this racial compact.

 

[August West]

"It's for the children" is what the libs always say. Libs are opportunists who never fail to take advantage of a school shooting.

It`s dishonest to put words in quotes that nobody said. Were you always a fabricator or did you learn that from our orange terrorist recruiting president? Your okay with mass murders in schools. That`s nice. How about churches, schools, movie theaters, concerts, etc.? Are you cool with those as well?

 

[2aguy]

Nobody had a bigger gun give away than the Nazis. Some of the lucky ones got flame throwers and tanks but they all were given snappy looking uniforms. Sorry to kill this thread but the Nazi shit is what really killed it. Does the OP know that Hitler lowered the age for gun ownership and armed millions of Germans? I didn`t think that there was anyone dumb enough to think that Germany overran Europe without weapons. Jeezus!

Yes....and you lie by omission...... the national socialists used the gun registration lists from the 1920s to take guns away from the people they intended to send to the gas chambers....

Had the rest of Europe not confiscated the guns of their people after World War 1....to keep them safe...... the Germans could never have controlled the land they took by conquest..... millions of armed citizens in each country would have made that impossible.....

Such nonsense. Hitler loosened gun law restrictions and you have nothing to support your allegation that the rest of Europe confiscated guns.
Fact-checking Ben Carson's claim that gun control laws allowed the Nazis to carry out Holocaust

What was the state of gun ownership in pre-fascist and fascist Germany and Italy? : AskHistorians

https://www.quora.com/Were-German-c...e-a-disarmed-population-to-imprision-and-kill

You are such a moron, you don't understand the topic...

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/08/france_the_nazis_and_gun_control.html

In 1935, French prime minister Pierre Laval, who later served in the Vichy government during the Nazis' four-year occupation of France, commanded French citizens to surrender their firearms. Laval and France's ruling parties feared social revolution and banned "war" weapons, instituting strict gun registration policies. They believed that repressive limits on civilian gun ownership were necessary at a time of Depression-sparked unrest and ongoing conflicts among various political factions.

Strict time limits for firearms registration and harsh penalties for noncompliance, including forfeiture, fines, and imprisonment, were put in place.

Laval's government did not foresee the impact these restrictive measures would have on a Nazi-conquered France just five years later, when firearms surrender would be required under threat of death.

In Gun Control in Nazi-Occupied France: Tyranny and Resistance, attorney Stephen P. Halbrook explores the impact and efficacy of gun control measures on Wehrmacht-controlled France and how these measures hindered the French Resistance's fight against Nazi tyranny. The author asserts that Laval's 1935 gun control efforts left the French people vulnerable to the Nazi invaders and ill equipped to deal with the Nazi invasion of 1940, plus simplified the Nazi efforts to confiscate firearms and impede a French resistance.

The Fordham (that`s a college with smart people, not gun pussies) is a bit more reliable than American thinker. In any case, Frenchmen with pistols weren`t much of a match for Hitler`s Panzer divisions. Hitler did indeed give millions of guns to German citizens and spiffy uniforms to go with them. They were as likely to turn against Hitler as you are to turn against our terrorist inspiring orange Bin Laden.
https://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4029&=&context=flr&=&sei-redir=1&referer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bing.com%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dfrench%2Bgun%2Bconfiscation%2B1935%2Bfact%2Bcheck%26form%3DEDGTCT%26qs%3DPF%26cvid%3D80969c5183514c3c8f79ad13eaeb2f89%26refig%3D97bb061bcb00426ec311a54b6a9761d0%26cc%3DUS%26setlang%3Den-US%26elv%3DAY3%2521uAY7tbNNZGZ2yiGNjfM1D4q1ghTqpDmgHyZW4Uu9T2vM9XBXApDQJDbYFatg3oJgk3FzWw20eQT4BuSqsdFXJEOli%2Anq%2521bVUjegkz%2521lO%26plvar%3D0%26PC%3DHCTS#search="french gun confiscation 1935 fact check"

Moron....from your "Fordham," paper.....do you even read these things? The morons in this paper try to divorce national socialist gun control from their intent on murdering the Jews...it is a really stupid paper......

https://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/v...rch="french gun confiscation 1935 fact check"

More important, as a historical matter, the passage of gun registration laws in Germany during the first part of the twentieth century is a complicated matter. Following Germany's defeat in World War I, the Weimar Republic passed very strict gun control laws essentially banning all gun ownership, in an attempt both to stabilize the country and to comply with the Versailles Treaty of 1919.
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But even before the Treaty was signed, the German parliament of the Weimar Republic enacted legislation prohibiting gun possession
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First, in 1938, the Nazi regime reenacted strict gun control laws and regulations that required licensing and reporting for the acquisition, transfer, or carrying of handguns, and for dealing and manufacturing in firearms and ammunition.89 In this respect, the Nazis had in place stringent gun regulation, including strict reporting requirements. Second, the Nazi gun laws of 1938 specifically banned Jewish persons from obtaining a license to manufacture firearms or ammunition.

In this respect, the Nazi gun laws were more restrictive than those under the Weimar Republic.
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Fourth, approximately eight months after enacting the 1938 Nazi gun laws, Hitler imposed regulations prohibiting Jewish persons from possessing any dangerous weapons, including firearms. The Nazi regime implemented this prohibition by confiscating weapons, including guns, from Jewish persons, and subsequently engaged in genocide of the Jewish population.

Oh....and why we don't want licenses for gun owners...the Germans did it.....

Thus, the 1928 Law put into effect a strict licensing scheme that covered all aspects of firearms-from the manufacture to the sale, including repair and even the reloading of ammunition."°
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Finally, with regard to disarming the Jewish population, there is no dispute that the Nazis did disarm Jewish persons aggressively-of all firearms, as well as "truncheons or stabbing weapons. ' , 129 The Minister of the Interior, Frick, enacted Regulations Against Jew's Possession of Weapons on November 11, 1938, which effectively deprived all Jewish persons of the right to possess firearms or other weapons. It was a regulation prohibiting Jewish persons from having any dangerous weapon-not just guns.
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Moreover, prior to that, the German police and Nazis used the 1938 firearms law as an excuse to disarm Jewish persons. In Breslau, for instance, as Halbrook reports, the city police chief decreed the seizure of all firearms from Jewish persons on the ground that "the Jewish population 'cannot be regarded as trustworthy"' -using the language from the 1928 and 1938 firearms laws.131

 

[2aguy]

"It's for the children" is what the libs always say. Libs are opportunists who never fail to take advantage of a school shooting.

It`s dishonest to put words in quotes that nobody said. Were you always a fabricator or did you learn that from our orange terrorist recruiting president? Your okay with mass murders in schools. That`s nice. How about churches, schools, movie theaters, concerts, etc.? Are you cool with those as well?

You seem to be more than happy with attacks on these gun free zones....since you support making them all gun free zones, the one thing that draws these attackers .........

If you want to stop a mass shooter from attacking, get rid of the gun free zone status....you doofus.